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our anonymous presenter. Please speak up.
Charles, how do you know he's here?
Okay, there we are. Okay, sorry. Talk about timing. I was I
got in here really early. But the took me an hour to get
through the security line. And I was at the beginning of the line
as I just popped through it. So there. So anyway, yeah, go ahead
tell me what you want me to say or ask questions or whatever.
Excellent. Well, how do you want us to address you?
Just just whatever I don't know.
Mr. Film Producer.
That's right. Mr. Film Producer. All right. Well, first of all,
welcome. You heard the intro and I'm glad you got through
security. And we run we're totally happy to run as a
questions. Why don't you share five minutes, you know your story
in terms of the 24th on the sixth of January 2021. And then
we're great at asking questions.
Mr. Mr. Filmmaker, you may help you if if I told you that this
group with fully aware of the fact that in 2020, there was a
global coup d'etat in in in March 2020. So that may help you.
So we know about treason. And we know that treason took place in
all these countries. So if that's helpful.
Yes, actually, my, my wife is from Brazil, and they had a very
almost identical situation that even even more crazy, like more
obvious that they just couldn't do anything about. And, but
anyway, on the the other one, I was just, I don't know, I was
just, I've done a lot of documentaries, this and that. And
so I travel a lot. I've been all over the world and filmed in
India, Africa, China, like Europe, so all over. And so
anyway, I'm just a curiosity type person. And that day, we
were like, you know, some of my friends were like, you know, we
should go tomorrow. I don't know, just think like history's
going down or something. And that's it. Didn't have any
particular reason other than that. We were just like, I do a
lot of stuff last minute. And so we just all hopped in the car,
me and some friends. And one of my friends was a stunt man. And
he was, he's like, Oh, you're gonna go, I'm gonna go. He's he
was from the other part. And he said, I got to go to LA after
that. But I'm gonna go by there. I'll ride my motorcycle up
there. So we just met with a bunch of people. I'd been to the
inauguration. And so I knew like, you got to get there super,
super early to get anything. And so I went up there. And it was
like, three o'clock in the morning, we went up so we
wouldn't well, when I got there, there's like people on the
there's already a line, you know, so it's a lot of people,
you know, a lot of people, but already aligned, but it's three
in the morning. And there's people on there with like
filling out, writing these big signs, like tons like stacks of
you know, Trump, you know, Oh, go Trump, blah, blah, blah, you
know, just generic signs. But it was like, a couple of people
writing dozens and dozens of signs, you know, so I thought
that's kind of weird. And at that point, the only thing that
I thought because we arrived the night before, and it was late at
night, and we saw some of these what we probably anticipated was
Antifa or something. And, but that's the only thing that I in
my mind, I thought I probably, if anything, and Tifa people
would probably try to stir up something. But we, we ended up.
So in that line, that guy that had the, the, I can't even
remember the name, the moose horns, or he happened to walk
by. It's funny, because all these characters that ended up
in the spotlight on this just happened to all, like be within
a small range. Well, then the other guy that was literally
next to us in line, this is like, you know, two hours later,
we're just waiting because there was only certain amount of
people they would let in the front part by the stage. And
that's the only security there was no police. There was no zero
police all day. There were no food trucks, the city had I'd
already heard the city allowed no food trucks, no water,
nothing. So there was no access to anything and no police at an
event, which they're expecting hundreds of 1000s of people.
And I don't know what the actual number but probably you know, in
the neighborhood of 300,000, you know, on just basic, visually,
what it seemed like. But so anyway, we're just there. And,
and then this guy in front of us, he's like, ah, ff Trump, you
know, just like angry, we're like, weirdo. And then his two
look like sons, maybe they came up, and they they had a bunch of
Trump swag. And all of a sudden, they just started started
putting on Trump swag that they bought from a local little, you
know, dealer thing. And then, so they all and then they just all
dispersed, you know, and, and so I was like, these are
troublemakers, you know, and so at that point, that was still
all I figured it would just be like that kind of troublemaker
kind of people. So go through the thing. My friend Trump was
speaking and my friend was like, Oh, man, you could tell
he's he's not fiery, like he usually is. He's, he can already
tell what's going down is he's kind of sounds defeated, you
know, like this is not going to change anything. So he knew it
was kind of a, so he's like, Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and take
out of here, because I got to go drive across the country. He's
like, he said, so we're like, Okay, cool. Well, since we've
been there since 3am, everybody's cell phone. So
ironically, we could not upload anything. And this was early,
early on, like literally, you know, 5am before the mass
crowds really got there. They wouldn't even allow us to
upload even a photo like so the internet from the entire area
was throttled. And so I knew that just from a event standpoint,
and production where you you know, so I was like, they don't
want anybody to know what everybody sees here. And I just
thought it was the speech or whatever. So there was only a few
cameras out of all the cameras on Trump. There was only a few
that were actually covering the speech. And I thought it was a
rather small amount of cameras to be considering this was such
a talked about, you know, day. And so anyway, and they would
never turn around and show the crowd. So it was just an even
jump, I believe pointed that out in a speech like, Hey, why don't
you turn around and show the crowd? You know, this is math,
you know, amount of people up on the hill. So anyway, my phone's
going not here, but that day was going dead. And so I said, Hey,
my friends, I was like, we get separated or anything. Let's
just meet at the Washington Monument. After this is over,
like, you know, noon or whatever. And so and sure enough,
all of our phones went were almost dead. So mine, I turned
mine off because it was I'd been there so long. And so that was
over. We just thought it's pretty much over. And we were
like, I don't know if I want to go over there and stand there
because I was like, we got a long drive. So but I was like,
I'm definitely hungry. Well, finally, we saw a food truck.
And it was like some chicken wings probably saved me a lot of
grief in my life by being there. But the so it was it was from a
distance. But it was halfway between the Washington Monument
and the Capitol. And so I said, I don't care. At that point, I
was famished. I mean, like, I don't care if I stand in line
for two hours. Give me some chicken wings. And so I got in
line. And that's when my brother called. And he said, Kyle,
where are you at, man? And now he wasn't at home. And so
anyway, he said, he, and he was like, he goes, whatever you do,
don't go to the Capitol. They're having an insurrection or
something. I was like, what are you talking about, man? I'm
standing here, I can see like, you know, I was a couple of
football fields away, but I could see, you know, the crowd
and stuff. I couldn't see anything from there. So I was
like, Okay, but it was my brother. So I was like, Okay,
yeah, I'll stay. I'm not going anywhere anyway. I'm sitting
here. So then we can't get there's no internet at this
point. So there's no, you can't get on. There's no news. You
don't have any clue of anything's happening. So
ironically, at this point, I don't know the time I can't
remember, because I'm not great on numbers. But sometime it was
early afternoon, and there's still no police and this is
supposedly when so then I get another call from a friend. And
he goes, Hey, he said, Hey, where you at? And I was like, Oh,
I'm over here at the he goes, Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, now this is a
guy I hadn't seen there yet. And he's a manager of a famous
somebody who's a famous liberal. Ironically, he's a conservative
guy, but he was at this event. So but he has contacts in the
media because he's, you know, connected to famous circles. And
so and well, they don't know that he's conservative, though.
But he goes, I'm in the Capitol. And I was like, What are you
doing in there? And at this point, I still don't I said my
brother said something bad. He goes, Oh, no, no, they, they
opened up the gates. They said, there was some bomb threats in
the nearby buildings coming here, you'll be safe. And I was
like, Okay, he goes, Why don't you come over here? I was like,
Nah, I'm waiting here for food. I don't. At that point, there
still wasn't other than my brother, there was still wasn't
any visible signs of anything that was going on from a, you
know, from a distant perspective. And so he's in
there on the bottom floor. And he's just like walking around,
you know, and then so at that point, then my other so then
there was this big like, wait, this is where I thought, okay,
something's wrong. But I thought it was like Antifa all the way
around the entire and from a production standpoint, because
I've been in television and stuff my whole life. I mean, not
my whole life, but my career is, I was like, there were cameras
everywhere around the Capitol. Now, I didn't know exactly how
many till later when I got back and saw the news. But there were
cameras positioned all over the place. So that the Capitol, so
they whoever whoever the teams were, they they anticipated to
the event was not Trump speaking, but it was the
Capitol. Even though there was nothing scheduled for the
Capitol, it was just a, you know, a people going to stand
there until they found the verdict, I guess. But so I'm
sitting there, and then still no police anywhere to be found.
And supposedly all this stuff's going down. And then I can't see
anything at that point. And all of a sudden, there was these big
all the way around from the entire from the entire around the
Capitol, from like a U shaped horse shoe where everybody's at
there was this kind of like explosions. And then you hear I
hear all this noise and it looked like some kind of gas or
something in the air. Well, basically, it was they tear
gassed, you know, 30,000 people. Yeah. And then they started
shooting from the Capitol, basically shooting rubber
bullets into the crowd. So ironically, the incitement was
not. So I was thinking, of course, if now first we thought
was this like a bomb or something Antifa related, but
I'm kind of from a distance. So I'm not in the middle of it. But
I can see what's going on. You know, it's like sitting on the
front bleachers at a football game, you can see what's going
on in the field, but you're not on the field. And so and I was
like, what in the world is going on? So anyway, all of a sudden,
all these things go around. Well, that's when evidently like
some more chaos. Now from a farther perspective, the chaos
is still later, what we saw was upfront, you know, close. Well,
so they were incited by the people who were literally
shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, 10s of 1000s of people. So
if you're doing that with a group of a lot of who are
rednecks and veterans and everything else, you know, your
intention is to inside a crowd. So that was so anyway, at that
point, one of my other friends, called the guy that was on the
motorcycle. And he said, Hey, man, my friend, he said, he
said, Get out of there. He goes, if you're still there, get out
of there. This is you did not want to be that place. He's a
military guy. And he said, So anyway, now at this point, it
still doesn't look like there's any chaos. There's still
literally like grandma's pushing cars with little kids toward the
crowd. And so we would say, Hey, man, I want to go up there. I
heard something bad's going on. Oh, okay. And they just kept
walking because from a distance other than that one big, you
know, kind of like tear gas explosion kind of thing, couldn't
see anything going on from back here. And so I started we just
take our time. We're just walking away. I'm like, well, we
can go get our car. So but at that point, there's still no
cell phone. There's no I mean, you could call them cell phone,
but there's no data. It was so throttled because I tried to
upload just a photo from the monument and it took like 30
minutes for it to actually post. So the internet was so
throttled down that it was almost an impossible to get
anything online. So now we go so we run back to the hotel. Well,
then when we're at the hotel, across in the Arlington way,
that's the first time suddenly I see what the rest of the world
is seeing. And I was like, Oh, no, as we're about to leave now
this is this is like the after the supposedly instructions been
going on for two hours. There's still no police officers there.
And then all of a sudden, like a B movie, Steven Seagal movie,
here come the police and force like there's both sides of the
road, which were all closed down. All of a sudden, I don't
know how many probably 2030 40 police cars. So I was sitting
there thinking like, these guys have been sitting sitting
somewhere all day, waiting in a part of the game lot waiting
for a phone call to say, come, come, you know, where were these
guys out if it's on national TV, for two hours, if there's this
big instruction, you would think the local, the Capitol police
or whatever the DC police, I don't know which one you would
think they would be there the second but they weren't so they
were waiting somewhere for a phone call to say okay now, and
they all showed up and it was like it was like a production.
It was so orchestrated. Well, when I get back to the and
that's what I thought at that moment, I knew like, this is a
big, fat, orchestrated event, like from a reverse coup sort of
standpoint, you know, and so I go over and so at the hotel,
then you see all these people are Oh, my goodness, I can't
believe that it up. And then we're like, wait a minute, my
the first thing I noticed the first camera was inside the
Capitol, somebody breaking in through the window. And from the
the Capitol. Well, my first thought being in production is
number one, that's an area that's closed off for the
Congress for television for anything, there's nothing to be
go on there. So why is there a camera from that angle shooting
down the hallway in a closed off area of the Capitol, where there
is no suspicion. So I was like, that camera was there from the
beginning. And that's the only way you would have caught this
first break in. So I was like, all these people that were
absent over at the other part, they were all right there. And
they were already they already knew like they everybody on this
thing, they knew here's the shots we need to get, we need
to get the break in shots, we need to get this this. And so
that's what they did. So anyway, they took and so at that point,
we're gone, we're at the hotel, and we're like getting on the
road. And, and then my friend, who was inside the building, he
got out and he was like, don't, don't call me don't. He was
like, he was scared now because he realized what just went down
from the inside. And so of course, he's afraid. So
ironically, he had texted the head of two major news networks.
And he did this for his own protection the day before. And
he said, Hey, I'm going to be at the Capitol. And so he said,
if you want me to get any footage for you, I'm going to go up
there tomorrow. So had he not done that right now, he would be
probably sitting in prison. But because he did that one thing,
the next morning, which he screenshotted his screen the
next morning, the hit all of his text threads on his phone that
connected to those people were erased offside. So he there was
they erased every single text message that he had sent to the
heads of networks. So there was no even trace of communication
to them, which made him also be afraid again. But at the same
time, I know that's why he was on the protected list, because
he communicated directly with the presidents of networks. And
so anyway, so we that was that was in a basic sense, that's
that was our experience. It was kind of from a distance, but I
watched what I saw was, and as I saw the news then, and it was so
radically different perspective of what actually went down, and
how they and this is what they do in the military, they, they
entrap, and they draw in, and then they flip the script, and
then they inside. And so it was so it was so well orchestrated.
In fact, I think to the point, they were elated that it went
off so much better than they planned. I think their plans was
get some people to break in. And that's what those guys in the
day, and there were hundreds of those throughout the crowd that
were there from since 3am. They had some swag on the head
stuff. I think those were the plants. And they were there. And
that their job was to create that little star. And then when
the shooting happened and everything else, and then the
shooting the crowd and check. That's when it all went into
chaos. And I think the powers that we were probably elated
about that. So that's it. That's about basically my story.
That's, that's a pretty compelling story. And how amazing
that you had to get there 3am, which you did. Now, we have
questions. Steven starts with questions. And we know that we're
halfway through the hour. So thank you so much for
articulating this story. Those of you who have questions,
please put your hands up in that normal way. And we're Steven
Frost, Colin. Steven.
Yeah, I'm here. I'm here. Sorry. I'm here.
Okay, go for it, Steven.
So just two seconds. I'll get the video on. So thank you, Mr.
Film Producer. So anyway, I wanted to ask you, how would you
characterize so you may I can hear some interruption.
This the this the
airport noise going so
how would you characterize what you saw? You're an experienced
film producer, director. How would you or do you want us to
ask you questions? So
basically a question. I mean, yeah, I just thought it was like
a huge production, you know, like they they, you know, the
bombs go off in this building. This pushes people, they open
people up into the galley. They say, hey, come on in. This is
safe. They they close them off inside. They're all inside. They
don't know. And then on the upper level, then they they bring
in their little cronies and break some windows. And, and
then that was the setup. And then there was all along, like
we got to make him to a criminal. So like it, from the
get go, it was just like, how do we do this on a big scale, all
the cameras were already there. There was no reason to be in the
Congress at that point. They were already in shot all of
them. And so they had cameras everywhere, all around the top
edge of the building. The other thing that was whenever I left,
they had full control of the social media, because they
could no one could post. So as I was leaving driving down the
interstate, all of a sudden people who were also leaving were
posting videos across TikTok and you know, YouTube and whatever.
Well, so I saw one I was like, Whoa, this crazy look at this.
This is what we were in. Well, then I went to show my brother
and within minutes, that video was gone. And so everybody that
was posting any video that was not from the narrative side,
they were out of can't imagine how massive of an amount of
people it would have to take to to our algorithm or whatever. So
but what I noticed is they were gone faster from YouTube or
Facebook or Instagram, but TikTok is algorithm differently.
So it's based on similar, similar things. So they were
popping up. So I downloaded an app, and I started downloading
videos, I downloaded probably 700 videos of people as they
were posting them, because I knew within minutes, they'd be
gone. So I was just like, because the people on the
grounds videos were, they were all over the map, but it showed,
you know, people were like walking in, oh, yeah, here's
this. There's people, the police officers letting them in. And
here's this and that, you know, so it was a, it was a too clear
of a perspective. So it was definitely coordinated between
the social media companies, between, oh, and here's the
other thing. And this is this was what, as I was like, okay, to
me, the biggest standout was like, okay, the police, you
know, why that that was, to me, well, so I looked up who the
guy was, I don't remember now, you know, years ago, but like,
but he you could look him up. But anyway, he evidently stepped
down the next day. Well, he was never questioned, never on the
news, never anywhere. But he decided to resign the next day
quietly. Well, then fast forward years or two, you can look it
up. I don't know exactly when but right about the time that,
that he may end up having to testify, he conveniently died
of natural or something, you know, whatever they die. And so
ironically, because he was the guy who had direct connection to
whoever the Speaker of the House or whoever would be the person
that calls the Capitol Police. And so he was conveniently
retired and then conveniently died before he could ever tell
anyone or say or be forced to tell anyone. Obviously, he was
part of it.
How long after six of January did it take him to die?
That was like a year or so later, because he just kind of
disappeared off the map. And then I heard that they were
going to have a trial and he was and then and then that's that
was the only time I'd ever heard of it. I didn't look dig into it
much or anything. At that point, that was a long time later.
So the people around the world. So the sixth of January is
important because it's inauguration day for it was
inauguration day for President Biden. Is that right?
All right. Now it was it was just the day that they were
going to say if if
Trump had if if Mike Pence was going to do the the votes to
extend the I don't even know I'm not a general sense not a
political person. So like, you know, political savvy as far as
terminologies, but it was but it was that they were he was going
to see if the vote had gotten certified or not. And that and
that Pence was the that was the day that Pence was. So it was
just a rally to show support so that sometime in the afternoon
they were supposed to and they didn't know when it could be two
three, five o'clock. But by the end of the day, they would know
if the votes were certified or not. And so that's why it was
there as a yes.
So inauguration day is the 20th of January. Is it a from
memory? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. So the importance of it is that
so on the sixth of January, President Trump was still in
power, correct?
Yes, yes. Yes. So all this happened under Trump's watch,
allegedly. But it looks like it didn't. So
this was the Wait a minute. This was the when did this happen?
What year was it?
Was January 2021?
2021. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So this was after let's say, yeah, 2021.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. This is the end of that. Okay.
Yeah. So the point I'm trying to make is, how was all this
organized with Trump in power? So an apparent insurrection,
which wasn't an insurrection was organized at the highest level
while Trump was still in power? How could that happen?
Well, I mean, you're dealing with people who all day, every
day, they're, you know, military run operations, no one ever
knows about and you know, half the world operations stuff
nobody ever knows about. So like, you know, I think I mean,
even Time magazine, a year later came out with a pay look, and
they were kind of at that point, I almost bragging about it, not
not about January 6. But it's about the election of how big
tech and the big companies and the politicians, everybody got
together to make sure Trump didn't get in power. And they did
it, Time magazine literally did an entire article, huge write up
front page of all about how they all got together and work
together to make sure that Trump and it worked and they saved
democracy and blah, blah, blah. And so it was even they're
bragging about it after the fact of look what we essentially
what we pulled off. Yeah.
But essentially, it seems to me that it was a coup d'etat.
Oh, yeah, that's that's what that was our sense when we left,
we were all sitting in the car. We're like, we just we just
watched the coup of America. But like, that's what we felt in a
in a visceral sense of like, we watched history go down in the
worst possible like we were in, you know, Cuba or something,
you know.
So then they then they blame Trump for supporting
insurrection, which wasn't an interaction. It was
manufactured by evil forces. It's I see. Yeah, maybe I'm not
I'm not. So we've got three, we've got three people with the
hands up who are all American citizens. So I'll let them go
ahead. So I'd like to know what David Holland would like to ask
you. And I'd like to know what Glenn Macco in particular.
Okay, well, Rose. Excellent. Well done, Steven. Okay, Rose,
you're first and Dave then Glenn.
Oh, hi, I just have two quick questions. Have you been working
with?
closely?
Well, yes, but that might identify him. Rose. So
yeah, yeah, I have met. I don't know the other ones. But yeah,
actually, I've met both of them. But I don't know. I don't know.
Okay, I just didn't know if you were helping contribute. And if
not, I was gonna say, are you going to put out your own?
No, I just, if I did, I gave over a bunch of stuff to people
that, that could use it to I didn't want to be on the it
list. But the, but I did. Yeah, but but I did give everything I
had over to some people that and has been popped up into some
other places. So you know, that that was
okay, Rose was after you have two questions you're done. Okay.
Dave.
Yeah, sure. thoughts. Can you hear me? Okay. Yep. Yes. Sure.
That's thanks for coming. How many cops would you say were on
scene if you had to take a while guesstimate?
Zero, the until, you know, three o'clock in the afternoon or
whenever it was like,
how many would you say were there? How many would you say
were there? You know, sort of at peak cop hour?
I saw probably 3040 cars, you know, pop in at the same time.
So it's very small number. Yeah, yeah. Even at that point, it was
small number. So I don't think they were, it was more like a
show like, oh, the police are here, you know, like, but this
was like hours, like, unless no one in DC has the television,
then then everybody at the police department didn't know
there's something going on. You know, why weren't they there?
Well, you know, there's only one reason. Yeah. Okay, so I'm
gonna pop a cop. Yeah, my dad was a cop. Chief Deputy
Sheriff's not there. But, but so I grew up around that. Yeah.
I'm going to pop a few things out. You can bite on anything
you want, or let it go by one is supposedly five cops committed
to one died by some cause. Four cops committed suicide. Do you
have any thoughts? Since you've been immersed in this, I thought
you might have thoughts on that. I'll bounce another couple off
you. John Sullivan, the famous Antifa actor who also filmed the
Ashley Babbitt shooting was filmed interacting with Ray Epps,
the feds. So that's a plot thickener in case you have an
opinion on that. Mike Johnson supposedly finally released the
tapes from inside the Capitol, I'm told this weekend, but I
haven't yet seen definitive evidence. And then the last
thing I'd like to mention, if any of these catches your
attention, the Ashley Babbitt Babbitt shooting looked to me
like it was staged. And I poured through hours and hours of
videotapes of it. And the whole thing looks staged. And I was
going to write about it. But it was very video driven. So I
wasn't having luck. I showed it to some very smart friends. And
they said, I see your point. But so I eventually backed away.
Three years later, Cheryl Atkinson did the story. And she
brought in two federal agents and they looked at the footage.
They missed some stuff. But they looked at the fitted footage and
said, none of this makes sense from the perspective of a
policeman. So if any of that rings a bell familiar, you want
to comment on love to have it love to hear it.
Yeah, I mean, I've heard a lot of all that I don't I didn't. As
far as like I'm just thinking from my witness side of like, I
don't know what all went down in there. But I can tell you that
people, at least on the lower level, they didn't know any
intention. They were just that's why it looks like they're
walking around because they were just told like, here, go in
here. Safe. Yeah. So like that's what the upper level people were
the ones that there were the problems were and I and yeah,
like you say, the FBI guys there. Ironically, even just
recently, somebody came out with that video of them basically
bragging about it. Like, oh, yeah, it's how easy it is to
manipulate people and talking specifically about that. So like,
yeah, I yeah, it's just a lot of like, I don't know why I was
there. Like exactly. Like I didn't have a camera or
nothing. My phone was almost dead. So or was dead at that
point. But uh, but I, so I don't, you know, I always think
wherever I end up, I'm supposed to be there. And so I always I
end up in like, Forrest Gump, my whole life is like Forrest Gump,
pop up random places. I'm like, how did I get in this situation?
And, and I, but, but I guess it was just to, to, to have
witness to it, but then to share through, you know, connections
or whatever things that could help maybe make a difference.
And you know, all of us, we were like, wondering, like, why, you
know, wow, what just happened? You know, it was it was one of
those deepest things that you see in life, but you felt like,
yeah, I felt like this overwhelming, like, wow, I don't
think no one, nobody knows, you know, so except people there, I
think most everybody there kind of had a pretty good idea of
what happened. But then as they were even saying anything, they
were censored, you know, so it's very, you know, dang, it's very
China as sort of, you know, you know, our narrative is the only
way. And they did it successfully as far as in a general sense,
it's finally years later, starting to come out more stuff,
but they pretty much, I believe, accomplished what they set out
to do. And that was to frame him up so that he can, he was there
was the goal, I think, was to frame him up as a criminal, so
he can't run for president. And, and that was the intent. And
that's what they pretty much did. And until just recently, I
don't think much people even considered it anything else. I
lost some friends over it just were like, I can't believe you're
there. I can't talk to you ever again. I can't work with you.
And, you know, you're an interactionist. And I'm like,
no clue.
So so for some of us Americans, the post j six response and other
things after that the weaponization of the DOJ is a
combination of both end of empire and the most treasonous
things we've ever witnessed. I will yield the Florida Glen.
Really? Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you, David.
Okay, great. So a couple things came up. Let me help clarify
them. One was who was in charge. Now the Capitol Police is a
completely different unit than any of the other police
elements. And they are completely controlled by the
the house speaker. So at that time, it was Nancy Pelosi. And
the the gentleman that was ahead of the Capitol Police spoke after
that multiple times around his request to involve additional
including the National Guard, and his request was rejected by
Nancy Pelosi.
And yeah,
another element of what was actually going on. So they were
reviewing the electoral college voting. And several states had
multiple delegations that were disputing the the Biden set of
of electoral votes going to certain states. And what happens
in that case is the Congress is responsible for reviewing the
cases and deciding either to send it back to those states for
review, and then the states, you know, coming back at a
different time, or that the Congress reviews the actual
people that are there and they say, No, this is good enough, we
can pass judgment ourselves. And so the expectation was that the
challenges were really quite solid. And that it was likely
that many of the states were going to be sent back to for
review back to their states, and then have to come back, you
know, days or weeks later, to say that they, you know, that
they went through that, that review process and concluded
which of the of the slates were appropriate. So what happened is
because of the the the the overall activities that day, the
Congress came back into session and say, Oh, no, no, we can't
delay anymore, we have to push through the primary delegations
as as being correct, and basically deny all the
challenges. So that was kind of the mechanics of it all. Your
commenting around no police around. So I'm assuming you
would also agree that the absence of any DC police was a
clear indication of intense to not be capable of controlling
the crowd or controlling what was going on.
Yes. And there was no up until the afternoon, there was
nothing. So even though I saw all these people that early on
that I thought, wow, these are troublemakers, there was no
trouble in the crowd. So that I don't think they were there to
be troublemakers during Trump's speech. They were there to be
troublemakers later in the day, because obviously they hated
jobs. God's in front of us was literally like f bombing Trump
Trump, like like psychotic like f, f, f, f, f, f, f, f, f, f, f,
over and over f, obviously, you know what the f, f, f, f, f, f,
without saying it. But, but like, you know, so it was like a
psychotic nature. So I don't, you know, I don't know who,
where I just was just as an observer of life in general. I
was just like, okay, watch out this guy, you know, like, but,
but then when you saw it was a bunch of them, and they all put
Trump on, then you're like, okay, there's definitely
something going on. And then nothing happened, you know,
during the speech, after the speech, nothing, probably 90% of
the crowd left, there's probably 30,000 out of the 300. Yeah, I
don't know the sack numbers, but that were left, you know, there
might have been 50,000 left. But you know, so it wasn't even
most of the people just kind of thought that's the event. And
that was all it was. And the rest of them were just hanging
around till, oh, let's see what they say, you know, it, they
said, you know, it could be two o'clock and, or it could be
later, you know, when they give the decision on what you just
said about the states. And so, yeah, it was, it was just a, it
was kind of a surreal sort of, like, you know, and I being a
curiosity seeker, if I hadn't been so hungry, I might have
been closer and not even talk in the room right now. So you know,
I'm kind of thankful, you know, that I was from a distance.
So
well, excellent description from a technical viewpoint of, you
know, so how people set up and, and film things and have camera
shots set appropriately, from the various things that you
collected.
That's that's what I figure that's,
yeah, there was my phone.
No, let me finish the question from the things you collected.
Had you able to get images of the camera persons that that were
actually doing the official filming?
Yeah, I actually got I gave it over to someone who was
connected into Congress or whatever, just gave him my phone
here, you grab anything you want off of it. Later, my phone
actually broke. But I just gave it to him here, take whatever
off of there. And so that way you have, you know, the stuff
that I collected from TikTok videos and whatever that I was
able to grab from other random because after that, you know,
no one else reposted once they can't accounts were banned and
people's videos disappeared and all that very quickly. Then
after that, they, you know, pretty much new cycles out
nobody. So there's 10s of 1000s of people with videos on their
phones to this day that no one's ever seen. Yeah. But I
don't think on the place that was interesting is that the only
security period at the entire event that I ever saw and I was
looking because at that point I was kind of like, where's the
police? It was the secret Trump secret service on the part that
they were detail on they would do, you know, x ray machines
like the airport going into the front lawn, which is where he
spoke. So the everybody in there had to go through security, but
it was not local security. It was it was like secret service
security. So is the only the only security that I saw till
later, obviously, there was there were people up in the
capital all over the place that were shooting bullets and stuff.
So they were they were there shooting rubber bullets, but
they were there. You know, they weren't in the crowd. They were
there. They were waiting at the Capitol basically, I know, like
an assistant, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But from from
just a visceral point of view of like, I'm always looking at
stuff and I'm always looking at shots. I was like, it was a very
peaceful event. So peaceful. In fact, that you could have 300,000
people and no police officers and nothing happened. Like that's
pretty much my would be a definition of a peaceful event.
So so they created the insurrection, which wasn't an
insurrection to hinder Trump from claiming voter fraud. Is
that a fair characterization?
Yeah, yeah, I think that would be by thought process. That's all
I could ever probably
know was the whole exercise in your view, do you think that at
least is it reasonable to conclude that the whole exercise
the whole fraud, if you'd like, was to hide voter fraud?
You know, it could have been because it disrupted the the
counting and all that, you know, and then one of and then it
shifted the news. So after that, no one talked about that anymore.
It was all about Oh, so they shifted the the one thing I give
them, Hollywood and all everybody, they're great at news
media, they're great at shifting narratives really quick, you
know, when the Epstein list comes out, oh, you know, another
news, you know, whatever, you know, if it doesn't fit there,
whatever they're trying to do when I mean, Nashville, we had
the, the transvestite that went in and shot up a Christian
school and they, oh, well, we're sorry, another news, you know,
like, whereas at first they were jumped on it, because, oh, wait,
the school shooting, this is great for gun control, whatever.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, nevermind. It's not that it's not. It's
from our side. Okay, nevermind. That's not news. So they're
great at that. Like they've done that effectively in the last
50 years. So,
but so all the checks and balances, re voter fraud in the
different states were kicked into Chuck touch because of the
purported state of emergency, which the insurrection created,
is that right?
Yeah, pretty much it interrupted the the session and I mean,
because they were still in there. That means they were still in
session. And after that, who's ever, who's ever talked about
that again? You know, like, oh, wait, what actually happened?
Like everybody did y'all just, I mean, I don't know, did they go
back and redo that? It was just like, okay, it's done now. Nobody
cares anymore. Yeah.
Well, yeah, because it was treason is clearly treason. And
it was,
I'm call it, they're not gonna treason themselves to a few
weeks later, he's in power. He's definitely not going to treason
himself.
Sure. But the point about it is the people, the American people
should realize it's treason. That's what I'm trying to say.
Oh, yeah, they Yeah, they should. In fact, I was in recently in a
in a the Middle East. And we were actually there for a sporting
event. But the guy next to this sheet guy, and he was like, Oh,
America, you know, I love that. He says I was, he goes, I loved
I grew up on the movies, you know, and stuff and da da da. And
then he goes, So I'm curious, is it, you know, Americans seem
like, they're, you know, they're big, like, yeah, rah rah. He
goes, Are they okay with how they're trying to internally
collapse America so that it can resurrect under authoritarian
global rule? And he said it so distinctly and so like, as if
that, and I was like, you probably know more than 99% of
Americans do. And he was just, it was just, it wasn't even a
question. It was literally from their perspective, like, this is
what's happening. Are you guys okay with it? And I was like,
most part, Americans are okay with it, because they just don't
care. They're, they're too.
Because that's exactly what happened in the last four years.
Absolutely. So COVID was a Trojan horse for totalitarianism.
holiday.
100% 100% Yeah.
Just a couple of things. Mine is more of a comment. I know that
he's going to have to go soon to catch a plane. I think that I
see this on a world stage, not just in Washington, DC. And I
think that this is something that since this is an
international call, I think that we all need to be aware of this
staging. Because I think that our world elitist are in the
process of staging this in all over the world. And I do think
that some of our so called conservative our our help groups
actually might be even collecting data on us as we
join those groups. And we have to be very much aware of that.
And they use that. I know that I have a very dear friend who was
in Washington, DC on that date. And it happens to be a she. And
she had she was right there in front of Trump as he was giving
his speech. And so she was going to go on up to the Capitol. And
there happened to be an officer there in front of the podium
where she was standing in front of Trump. And he just touched
her arm and he said, Miss, he said, Where are you going? And
she said, Well, I'm going up to the Capitol with some of my
friends here. And she he said, Please don't do that. He said,
Because later on today, there's going to be trouble up there. And
you really don't want to be part of it. So that was a warning to
her. And that should also give us pause knowing that there were
some people within the law enforcement who certainly knew
what was going to happen and what had been orchestrated. And
I think that this is something that around the world that we
really need to be cognizant of that this is something that
certainly is orchestrated everywhere. So that was my only
comment. And thank you for coming on. We really appreciate
it. I think it helps validate. I know I those who are had been
imprisoned and are being persecuted in justly. I know some
of you may be aware of Catherine McKinney. She's working very,
very diligently to try to get information out. And she's
dealing one on one with some of these prisoners who are being
held captive. And this certainly would be information that our
mystery person certainly would maybe want to share with her
particularly. So thank you for coming on. And thank you,
Stephen. We really appreciate everything that you and Charles
are doing.
Can I just ask the guest one more question and that is, were
there any other prominent eyewitnesses? Have there been any
other prominent eyewitnesses who've spoken out? Or are you the
first or are you amongst the first 10 say?
I think a lot of people have most of them have just been, you
know, they were kind of algorithm down, I guess, you
know, like, usually any anything, there's tons of people
as I saw, posting videos, wow, this is crazy. This is this. But
most of them were, you know, eradicated, not not the people,
but their content, or their stories. They just certain
publications would not touch the subject unless it went with
their narrative. So there's fewer and fewer places that'll
even
I understand. So I just wonder why you felt, you know,
compelled, as many of us felt compelled to do something in the
last four years, why you felt compelled to to tell us about
this. We're so grateful to you that you did do it. But I just
want to
be, I mean, I'm a truth seeker kind of person, but the the I've
done stuff that's ticked off dictators and other stuff in
other countries. And but when you're in your own country, they
know where you live. You know, so
we've had death threats from all over the different presidents
and other countries and stuff off of stuff that we've put out
some of our some of the stuff we put out with our name on us to
move it wasn't. But nonetheless, and some of us affected. So I
know that truth does penetrate, but sometimes it's figuring out.
You know, some people, like, since then have met other
people who were there that like one of them was smart enough, he
had a VPN on his phone. So they never, you know, he was doing
videos the whole time inside, you know, so like, there's the
but, but he was playing too. I didn't even know he was there
until like, two years later, and I ran into him. He's like, Oh,
by the way, you know, so I think people are starting to, you know,
as these like tapes and and security footage and this and
that they don't they don't fit through the narrative. So as
people can view it themselves, starts to put people's question
in their mind, well, maybe it wasn't quite and I think, you
know, sorry, sorry, gone insane with these overhead box. But
anyway, that's my that's
how much fear is there about speaking about those events on
that day? Or is the fear dissipating with time?
Oh, yeah, I think it's dissipating with time. But but
also, I think I'm just in an industry that like you will, you
know, the were you just if you're public about something,
like I was asked by PR person to go on and go on the news and
say this right after but they were like, you're not, you know,
it would have been but they, you know, it would probably, I'd
probably be a homeless guy by now.
If I wouldn't have been dead. But so
you take your your best. So whereas I was like, hey, I'll
provide you information, you know.
What did you say? I didn't quite catch it. By by now. You said
that I'd probably be something by now probably be a homeless guy
by now with the industry that I work in.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And so the thing is, I didn't feel it if I ever feel like
it's something I'm supposed to do, I just do it. But I felt
like I was supposed to be there. But I didn't exactly know why.
And so and but I did, you know, I've given over footage to
people who have put it into stuff and put it in through
there. So in some ways, it helps reframe perspective, just from
stuff that I know, because so it's more of a behind the scenes
kind of thing. But but then it is a project, so to speak. But
most of these a lot of these documentaries, they're people
are so divided now, like, we put out some of this true and, and
you know, the mainstream just says, Oh, it's conspiracy theory
and no one even, you know, like, but there's a growing audience
of people who are figuring out that everything that you're
showed is not real, you know. So, so there's, there's
definitely both sides that I think a lot of people and we
don't know how much but I think that's why they fear, you know,
people that people that have truth, they don't fear debates
because they know they can win a debate. But people that that
know they can't win a debate, they want to make sure that
their debate doesn't exist or that the debate is eliminated
before it happens. And so, yeah, yeah, so I guess you pick
your thoughts. I don't know.
Well, thank you so much for coming on. It's really good of
you to do it. And also on behalf of your country as well. We need
more people like you. Thank you.
So before thank you. When is your plane leaving? Because
Marv's got his hand up. There's one more question, perhaps if
you've got time before you have to get on your plane.
Yeah, yeah. I know there's probably people sitting around me
looking at like, this guy's crazy. One of them is looking at
me right now.
But yeah, we're all about to we're about to board but I'm okay.
Go ahead.
So
we're all crazy too. So it doesn't matter.
Hey, would you would you describe those the the f Trump
guys you met really in the morning their age their dress
their their body or hair. What are those guys?
They look very one of them now I saw tons of different people
that were like, why are you in this line? You know, like, but
the guys that were some of them were like 40 middle age kind of
the ones that were making signs and stuff. The one guy was
older probably 60s pretty scraggly look like maybe, you
know, like a meth dude or something, because he was hit
both of his sons are really scraggly and like, you know,
just very, you know, not thug, but I guess you'd call just
white trash sort of looking dudes and so and then but you
know, they had money to go buy a couple hundred dollars worth of
swag. So some, you know, they and they're in but then other
people they were built and they were making signs I mean, does
100 you know, 100 signs on the ground. Thank you. So in early
in the morning, he wouldn't sell on them. But then people would
walk by. And then these and so I was like, but nobody needed
signs like, you know, like, so it was almost like they were
going, like, I got to make myself you know, it's like, if
you're going to a Santa Claus convention, you better dress up
like Santa Claus, or you're gonna stand out. You know, so it
was like, it was kind of like over the top a little bit. But
that's, you know, I don't know, there was a lot of chaos that
night before we came in late at night, one, two in the morning,
so we drove in for a dozen hours. And, and there were
people busloads of people unloading these, I don't know
who they were, they were all pretty rough looking characters.
But just like busloads of people unloading people one o'clock,
two o'clock in the morning down DC, you know, and so, because we
drove around when we first got into town. And so, you know, so
we just thought as no good going on, but you know, you can't I
don't, I can't necessarily say who or what or why or where they
were going to they just dropped them off in the streets. So they
weren't there to stay in a hotel, I can tell you that.
So when you say rough looking characters, you mean they were
like, how would you describe were they like, motorcycle
bikers or military looking guys?
Now, I would probably say they were the expendables, you know,
like the, you know, like the, the like, kingpins don't go run
drugs, they hire little street kids to do it. And so that's what
I think these guys were, you know, they were people that if
they got pence, no big deal. It's just somebody with a record.
And no one would listen to them anyway. And so that's, that's who
I think the trouble makers were they weren't they weren't it to
me, the ones I saw didn't look like ex military or anything like
that. Now, I believe those are the ones who probably blended in
better. You know, there's no one would know. But they look like
criminals. They look like hired criminals. Yeah, like criminals.
Yeah. Just like a bunch of criminals. And you know, I don't
know, maybe somebody gave him 500 bucks and said, here, go
stall for trouble. You know, like, I don't know. But that's,
that's on a surface level. That's what appeared to be it
but it was probably people that would lead to nowhere. Somebody
got caught. But then again, if you're if you don't have to
worry about cops, getting you, you don't have much to worry
about. Do you? You know, like, if you're on the list, you know,
somewhere, so but I think it's I think it was just expendable.
So that's all people that they didn't care. They just knew it
like, Oh, yeah, sure. I'll do something crazy for for some
money to buy some drugs. Yeah.
All right. Thank you, Bob. Okay, wonderful guests. Thank you so
much. Happy trails. Thank you for being with us. Thank you in
these difficult in these challenging circumstances. You
did very well.
Thank you. I appreciate you guys.
Carla Dean for organizing.
Where are you going in Brazil? Oh, sorry. No, you don't need to
tell me. Oh, yeah, I travel everywhere. But yeah, so I
travel all over the world all the time. So nobody could ever
attract me. I don't think so.
Which is your favorite country? Can you tell us that or not?
I love America. But yeah, actually, the UK is one of my
favorite places to visit. And then but as far as if you were
going to stay there a while but I love I don't know I just
everywhere I feel I feel like I'm at home. So I don't really
have a favorite. I just love people and love travel and
cultures and all that kind of stuff. So right. Thank you can
learn something from everybody. Exactly. Yes. Thank you so much.
All right. Thank you. Have a shot. Happy trials.
Thank you. Take care. Thank you.
Charles I don't know is some
danger is not yet. And just not here. But Jim's got his hand up.
I've been watching I've been watching for Andrew Bridgen. So
hopefully.
Thank you.
I was just gonna ask him if he's still on Did he did he go which
country is safe for which country? Some people rumor that
United States may not be safe in the after 2027 or something like
that. Which countries will be safe as he's if he's a world
traveler? He's gone. He's gone.
If you email me I can pass it to you and we can ask him like that.
I can ask Carlidine this one.
So any thoughts on what we've learned from that eyewitness
account of what happened on J six Peter.
Sorry Charles I was muted. Yeah, I just wanted to answer that
earlier question.
If he's looking for somewhere safe, I can tell you South
Africa is definitely safe.
Irrespective of all the rumors that it's a war zone and what
have you. So welcome to South Africa, my friend you're 34
degrees south. And I'll ask everybody. Can you guess what
percentage of the world population live south in in the
southern hemisphere?
It's about 10% in a very small
That's very close. Actually, Steve. Well done. You're the
only person I've asked that question to that's got as near
to it. It's actually 9%.
There we go. Yeah. So as 1% out.
You did very well, Steve.
If you look at the map, you know, I've got a map in my head
so that I can see that most of the landmasses are above north
of the equator.
And I can see that most of the landmasses are above north of
the equator. Yeah. And with the southern hemisphere is ocean.
Is water. Yeah. That's where I feel safe on a boat.
Yeah. And you're South America and you're Australia and that
and okay, maybe Indonesia, you know, but but big population in
Indonesia. Well, Australia has got a very big, but South
America hasn't got a massive population either. So it's not
surprising. It's only 9%. But also, some so people live in
Stockholm, in Oslo, Norway, you know, and then Helsinki, they're
all at 60 degrees north. And then you've got Petersburg also
at 60 degrees north and Moscow a little bit further south. But
you try living in the southern hemisphere at that kind of
latitude at 60 degrees south. There isn't anything there.
That's absolutely nothing go south Georgia, but that's not
even 60. I don't think.
Elven Island, of course.
Yeah.
So it's really strange how human beings have chosen to live so
far north in the northern hemisphere, but then ignored.
Well, okay, there's not as much landmass, but even so, yeah.
And so that's my point really is that I think the globalist
probably won't notice as much.
Yeah.
One more question. Yes, one more question about Africa. You know
how many invaders or immigrants are being brought into the
Five Eyes countries like Canada, United States, Australia, New
Zealand, are there a lot of invaders being brought in to
South Africa?
No, I can answer that. Certainly not. We've got some lovely
immigrants from DRC, and they speak French. I see them very
often at their car guards and they do a lot of security work.
They're absolutely lovely and I can speak to them in French.
Then we've got some very well educated and very bright
Zimbabweans. We've got people from Cameroon. But actually the
immigrants mainly are from Africa. There's very few
Europeans. I see the occasional American but not many and no
Canadians, no Japanese, a few Chinese on occasion. But
generally speaking, it's very much African orientated here.
We have this concept of Ubuntu, which is paraphrasing is
basically I cannot be rich if my neighbor is poor. They've got
this wonderful family, very well centered family orientation,
which gives people in South Africa or indeed Africa, I
think generally, a very, very strong constitution, a family
constitution. We have Muslims, we have a whole range of just
about everybody, Indians, Pakistanis, we've got some very
good Pakistani friends and we all get on together and there's
not an indication of any racism, whatever that I've seen.
Peter, what's the dominant religious practice in South
Africa?
Well, the dominant one is Christian. We have the Roman
Dutch Church, which is very strong, very prostitutes. And we
have a lot of Muslims who a lot of my friends when I go and see
them at sort of midday, they're off to the mosque and one
having a laugh, a joke about that. But generally, the
dominant one I'd say is Roman Dutch.
Are the borders open to other countries? Can you just walk in
and assume citizenship and get free housing like they do in the
United States now where they're being housed and free health
care?
Well, I wouldn't say free housing. We've got a lot of what
we call townships. The thing about our economy here is that we
have a 35% unemployment. I think actually it's about 50%
unemployment in the young people. That's official
unemployment. The fact is because we don't have a welfare
state to speak of, everybody is economically active. Because if
you're not economically active, you don't eat. And that
energizes people to be innovative, productive, but under
the radar. So the government can't tax them. So we've got a
60 million population and 7 million taxpayers, 50% of which
are white and 50% of which are the middle class, rising blacks
after 25 years.
So you don't have a system where you can actually get are
imported by the Secretary of State, and then get free
housing like in New York City and then get $2,000 a month and
get to walk into the stores and take anything you want for
without being charged with crimes. You don't have that
there in South Africa.
There's absolutely nothing here. There is a thing called, what's
that? It's called a government grant. That if you are desolate
or what have you can claim a government grant, which is the
350 South African rands a month, which is divided by 20. So it's
around about $17 a month.
A day $17 a day.
No a month.
Oh, $17 a month. So that's something happened. Something
ran. So it's 300 and something a day. A year.
Yeah.
That's much less than the people who get are coming into the United
States. Okay. And then what about health care? What about
health care? Do you get you go to the hospital and then you get
free health care or
there is a there is a state health care system, which does
actually provide quite good services for the indigenous
people. Most people have my ilk, for example, will go private
anyway, but we don't pay insurance for the people who are
in the United States. So I don't pay insurance anyway. But
we don't pay insurance because that's just a joke. Because you
have to pay so much money. So my best insurance policy is an air
ticket to UK.
I see. And is the medications as expensive here? Like for
instance, in the United States, insulin can cost $800 for a
vial that was $2.
No, I saw the doctor the other day and that cost me six that
was a half an hour session, very good guy. And that cost me 650
Rand, which is about $30.
Okay, and then how is it and one more question, I'm sorry to
monopolize, but this is very good information. How is
Namibia? We in the United States are importing hundreds of tons
of beef from Namibia, Africa into Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
And it is and you can sell boxed beef from Namibia, Africa into
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, but you cannot move boxed beef from
that's frozen beef in a box from, let's say, Texas to
Philadelphia.
Yeah, understood. There's tremendous growth here in not
only South Africa, but you're right about Namibia. Mind you,
that's a lot of desert to there. But they're very, very good at
let's say agriculture in desert type conditions. And we in South
Africa, for example, is self sufficient and more in its own
food. Where I live in the Cape, Western Cape, all our food is
provided by the sea, we've got the sea is teeming with fish, I
can buy a massive tuna, for example, a bluefin tuna, a steak
for 60 Rand, which is something like $3, maybe. You know, it's an
amazing place. I keep I write letters every week. And I
publish them on Substack. And I try to tell people, and
particularly my Brit friends to get the hell out of there, come
south. Because I discovered South Africa, I discovered
Simon's Town, for example, force by Yacht Club in 1999, when I
sailed here, because I was looking for paradise. And I was
going to Mauritius originally, but I discovered that Simon's
Town is a bubble of paradise. And we call it millionaires row
without the millions.
That is beautiful.
Wow, sounds fabulous.
Yeah. Everybody go to join Peter. Thank you, Jim. Great
questions. Glen got Glen has his hand up. We're off to South
Africa.
Yeah, I have a question for you, Peter. Okay. So there's been a
lot of university activity relative to Palestinian actions.
I was curious to what degree that penetrated South Africa.
Well, that's an interesting question. Because in our bubble
here, we really don't take too much notice of what's going on
in the north. Although you might note that South Africa was the
leading country that took Israel to the International Court,
didn't he? The criminal court. And we got a result, but it
wasn't really what I'd expected. But that came from our
background, which was initially the resistance to the apartheid
regime, of course, but magnificently Mandela's solution,
which was peace, or the reconciliation committee that or
commission that was set up after apartheid. So we have within our
constitution is a very, very strong constitution written
constitution, unlike Britain. And it's very strong. And we take
part of the global south, we're part of the BRICS. There's a lot
of interest from China here, and a lot of investment, actually,
and from Russia. And we, we take the alternative view to the
north, that whatever's going on up there, it does tend to be a
bit remote as far as we're concerned.
Okay, part of the reason I bring it up is I graduated from
college in 1974. And at that point, I can tell you there was
no significant Palestinian presence in any of the colleges
US wide, that that all evolved shortly after that, that 7475,
we had the oil crisis. And with that, you had the giant ramp up
of prices that suddenly flowed into all of the OPEC countries.
And at that point, Qatar became the centerpiece of gathering
those billions of dollars and funneling them into the
university system in in the United States. I have a good
friend who went to college in the middle 80s, from 82 to 8086.
And he said they were all everywhere. Yeah, you know,
establishing support groups, making clubs, funding
departments, that there was just mountains of money coming in to
set that system up to basically endorse this theme of
Palestinians, and to a large extent to plant the seeds of the
anti semitism that we are now seeing today in massive scale.
And I mean, I can remember in 1970, with the Ohio State
shootings. So I was in high school, my sister was in
college, and you know, never had any finals. They all got
canceled in in late April and May. And you never even had
things going on. We're seeing that same thing right now. It
looks like a whole bunch of colleges are canceling their
live classes, they may cancel final exams. Yes, it's crazy how
these things repeat many years after, but but have the same
source.
It is indeed it's a cycle actually, as I see it. And I
write about this quite often, actually. I see this as a cycle
of history. In fact, there is some indication that we go
through these cycles on a regular basis, about 14,000 years
cycle, we're certainly in a 250 year cycle end of one empire
rising of the other, which is East Asia, China. And it also
combines with the Strauss and how and the fourth turning, which
is the generational cycle of 80 years. So we've got a
combination of the two cycles, I think, Martin Armstrong writes
a lot about this with Socrates that he's got. And he's very
predictive in those circumstances. So I'd refer you
to you, you're right about the 70s. But I have a little thing
I can put up on on the chat called what the fuck happened in
1971. And there's a whole series of graphs, which shows something
significant happened in 1971, which of course, Nixon took,
but in effect, America defaulted on the gold standard in effect.
And when you see the charts, a whole series of charts in in the
article, I'll put up, you'll see how things moved since then,
we're going through this cycle, it's going to be a rough ride, I
think in the next couple of years, but I'm very hopeful. And
I believe that something very good is going to come out of
this.
Thank you.
Well, can you expound on the time frame in terms of 2025 2627?
Okay. Timing is always so difficult to predict, because
it's not in our hands. The powers that be are pulling the
levers, and they will decide when the time is right, as we
saw with COVID, for example, and a lot of other examples prior to
that. My guess is, and I've written in my book, actually, I
wrote a book, it's on research gate, the financial jigsaw, part
one, I'm now serializing part two, part one is about the
global financial system. And chapter 13 describes what I see
as the as the coming depression, economic depression is kind of
a repeat of the 1930s. And my guess is before certainly before
2030, I would say my feeling is within the next 24 months, maybe
three years at the most, I was caught out in 2008. Because I
expected something to happen pretty quickly after that. But
actually, of course, they use QE, which stonewalled everything
for the next 10 years. But we've now run out of those options, in
my view. But you could always put some links up into chat
anyway, if you want to read chapter 13 of my book.
Thank you. And is there any and, and that's the real question
about getting out of the countries that are set to fall?
Yes, with, you know, United States, it looks like it's going
to be parceled out divided up and crushed into nothing new
Babylon is falling. The ships will turn away and all that
Bible stuff. Yeah. And that maybe goes for the six eyes
countries, five eyes countries as well. But the issue is now
where where to go and will our land in these other countries will
the land in these five eyes countries that are being swamped
by immigrants and or illegal invaders, I should say, financed
by our State Department and bankrupted, and all our money is
just pouring out of the United States into the Ukraine and
Israel right now. Billions of dollars. I mean, while we open
our own borders, we protect it, we protect other borders, makes
no sense. Where, where do we protect ourselves as these
people are taking over our legislative branches, and just
parceling out our money? Yeah, I don't know what we do and what do
we and how do we and how do we protect even our land, it's
going to be taxed to hell.
There's several good writers, Doug Casey at International Man
is very good on this subject. And there's several others as
well. And certainly, if I were in the States, now I will be
moving out, I'd make sure I've got a dual passport, I wouldn't
give up my American passport, but I would get a dual passport.
I've got dual residents here in South Africa and UK. Not that I
ever think of going back to UK again. I've told the world to
find paradise. I looked at Belize and Zanzibar is somewhere
worth looking at. And certainly, I chose Mauritius as a first
stop, but never got there because I found it here in
San Francisco. But I would say, go south. My dear father always
said, go south son, like the other one said, go west. But I'd
certainly get out in the north without a doubt. I don't think
there's going to be a kinetic explosion, nuclear war, whatever,
as such, because the globalists and the billionaires are not
going to give up their wealth and their lifestyle. But there's
going to be a lot of chaos, I think it's going to be
depression, economic depression. We're already much poorer now
than we were 20 years ago. And also, these places are
enterprising, they're rising. South Africa is rising. There's a
lot of productivity, there's a lot of enterprise. So certainly
South Sub-Saharan Africa, always worth looking at. Someone
mentioned Namibia, very good. Botswana is one of 14 countries
that doesn't have an armed police force, which always gives me a
nice comfortable fit. So yeah, and certainly a lot of people
looking up South America, Argentina, well, it's in a state
of flux at the moment. No one knows really where that's going
with that.
Peter, Peter, Peter, Anders put the comment in about India is
his assessment of over the next 20 years of a place to go to.
Well, I wouldn't disagree with that. I know nothing about
India. I haven't been to India. But certainly there's a lot of
pluses with India. Again, very intelligent people got a lot of
Indians here that I interact with. Very clever people. So
yeah, I wouldn't wouldn't say no to India.
And what about what about Haiti? Sorry.
Haiti?
I've tried to ring Andrew, I can't get him. I don't know what
certain I really don't.
Steve, I assume that's what you what you were doing. So we'll
just keep going with this conversation. We've got an hour
to go. And if he comes and joins us.
I just want to let people you know, it's up to them if they
want to wait. I think Andrew's worth waiting for. Yeah. But
the, you know, I don't want them to be blaming me for hanging
around waiting for him and then eventually doesn't turn up. So I
think they might I can see the possibility that there was a
misunderstanding. I won't go into detail. But and or Yeah, I
don't know. I do know. But I don't want to stay here. So
anyway, I'm trying to get him on. And I have sent texts and I
tried to ring him on two different on the phone and on
WhatsApp. And I'm not on.
Yep. Thank you.
I'm grateful for Peter Underwood's insights while we're
waiting if that's okay with you.
Yes, that's fine. Yeah. Sure, Peter. One thing I know about
South Africa, Peter. Well, I knew someone who used to come
every year to work for the military as a doctor in the UK.
So every summer here, obviously winter there. And he they were
living in South Africa in Johannesburg. And so he and his
wife used to tell because he used to bring his wife and they
both used to stay in the officers mess. That was the
deal. You know, if he could, they put him up in the officer
mess and he would work there for three months, whatever it
was. And anyway, he said that in Johannesburg, you know, you
almost had to be from South Africa or living there a long
time to be safe because, for example, at night, no one ever
stopped at the traffic lights, it was too dangerous to stop.
And it was in some parts of Johannesburg. According to him,
it was too dangerous to stop in in the daytime. I don't know
whether that's true.
Yes, Stephen, that's absolutely true. Even here in the Cape
where it's very safe. We don't stop at red traffic lights at
night because potential hijacking doesn't happen to up
too often here. But in Johannesburg, definitely. They put
little baby dollies on the road to stop cars because you think
there's a child or someone's. Yeah. There's all kinds of
tricks.
So Peter, you said like 15 minutes ago, you said
unequivocally that I'm not saying how can it be safe if
that's the case, you know, that you can't even stop at the
traffic lights.
Well, safety is relative, Stephen. I came here in 99 and
married my South African wife in 2003. And we were here for 10
years before I had to go back to UK in 2009 because of the GFC.
And she taught me a lot. Basically, it's about being
aware. So for example, if I'm parked in a mall, and I come
back to my car, and I start the car, and I look in the mirror,
as we normally do, and I see a little note on the back of my
window. So I get out to look at the note. And they're in the
car and off before you know where you are. It's that sort of
thing that they're very clever at. Now these, I don't want to
make the impression it's happening all the time. This is
fairly rare, particularly in the Western Cape is very safe.
Indeed. I see police cars at least 10 times a day. We've got
marvelous police stations, and the police work with private
security. We have armed response, private security come
up to our drive at least two or three times a week. They're on
the watch all the time. So but it does happen. Yeah. My
wife was about 2006. She was in a bar in Fishook, which is a
little town just 10 kilometers from here at nine o'clock at
night. And five guys came in and told everybody to get on the
floor. They were armed, of course, except her. She was at
the bar and they stuck a nine mil in her head. And she looked
at the guy and said, well, pull the trigger. But he couldn't.
That's my lady. South African lady.
But it doesn't sound too safe, Peter. That's the point.
Well, as I say, safe is relative, really.
Okay, if you're
What are the murder figures compared to the
awful, absolutely awful. I wrote about it the other day. Funny
enough, Steve. It's in in in. See if I can remember the
numbers in UK. It's one is 600 a year.
That's about right. That would be about right.
In in in South Africa is 35,000.
Yeah. And the population is what half 60 million. Yeah. How
many in South Africa with 60 million, 60 million. Oh, so
that's Yeah, it's not as great as so what do you say 30,000 35,000
35,000. So that's 35. That's about 50 times.
It doesn't sound too safe.
Peter.
But bear in mind that 90% is black on black. These are what we
call the gangs. There's gang warfare, certainly in the Cape.
If you go down to Mitchell's Plain or Cali or Philippi, these
are gang areas. This is where the gangs kind of rule really,
the police don't have too much control over them. But they're
operating only within their own cycles in area. So they're not
affecting where I live, for example, or in the suburbs or
what have you. And also, don't forget Johannesburg is very much
concentrated in this area. Again, gangs are running the area
and Durban as well. So it's, it's not overall, it's very much
focused in tiny areas.
But I bet there are no statistics separating the areas.
Oh, no, I'm for well, I've looked for that funny enough,
Steve, I can't find any stats that separates the areas. But
from my own personal experience here in Simon's town, and
certainly in the southern suburbs in Cape Town, generally,
I've not seen any. Well, I've been here now. I came back what
in the middle of December, and I haven't seen any evidence
whatsoever. There's very peaceful, everything's rolling
along fine. So and it's very, and also, the lifestyle is very
Mediterranean. So although they don't siesta, but I do in the
afternoon, but they don't siesta as such as a kind of ethos.
They, it's a very slow, probably slower than manana, actually,
Cape time, I call it. I mean, you'll sit in a restaurant for
an hour before they'll after ordering before they'll come
and bring your food, for example. And everybody is very
sort of laid back and relaxed. So talking about safety is
relative, Stephen, that's the point.
Yeah. So have you been to Australia, Peter?
I have. I'm very good friends with Jerry Brady.
I just wanted to ask you whether, whether, if you have been to
Australia, whether Australians are more laid back than South
Africans in your view?
Well, my, I've been, I've been friends with Jerry Brady for 10
years, at least. And from what I can tell, it's certainly, it's
more, yeah, I think Australia is more energetic. Let's put it
that way. Here, it's much slower. I mean, Jerry has been
here to South Africa. He visited some years ago.
It's like, you see, we would think that Australia is pretty
slow compared to the United Kingdom.
But,
well, United Kingdom is hectic as far as I can say.
It what?
I mean, for example, they drive up motorways at 80 and 90 miles
an hour. If I drive up the, up the M3 here to Cape Town, very
few cars exceed 60 miles an hour.
Yeah, I love driving fast anyway. Yeah, but not say too
much.
Anyway, go ahead, Glen. Oh, sorry, Charles, it's you.
Yeah, well, Jim had his hand up in terms of, in terms of, sorry,
Glen's got his hand up now. Jim, are you done? We'll come back
to you, Jim. Go ahead, Glen.
So, Charles and Stephen, there's two particular topics we might
want to delve into that are very current. If Dave Colum is
comfortable discussing what's going on in the Ivy League
colleges and whether he's seeing any of the high degree of
conflict of pro-Palestinian and anti-Semitism existing at
Cornell. A second topic that I mentioned when you were on at
the beginning, Charles, is around the, how the climate
change story is not only false and a fraud, but it's actually
flipped that there are other conditions going on that could
lead to the decimation of the, of humans as well as all upper
level animals on the planet. So I could address that if people
wanted to hear a little bit about the show we're having in
two days on Thursday night.
Well, you've got the, you've got the, you put the link in, the
show is on Thursday night. And certainly where many of us here
on this call, including me, are of the view that there is a
depopulation agenda, Glen. So it makes total sense that the
whole fraud around climate emergency will do precisely what
you're talking about. So shining a light on the deforestation
threats to humanity is clearly of great value. And Dave is
doing something else. Dave Colum?
He plays
the carbon control world are saying that by burying trees
that somehow that's reducing the CO2 and wanting to get carbon
credits paid to them for that. What when in fact, because of
that significant loss of tree lines, and that does over 35 to
40% of the trees in the, in the world have been cut down and are
not active. Now compared to 600 years ago, when Columbus first
came to the United States, well to North America, and and that
that has put a giant strain on our atmosphere, that is now
lost its cushion that it had for hundreds of 1000s of years that
brought us to the huge explosion of life forms, both plant and
animals on on the planet, we're all due to the atmospheric mix
of high oxygen, and, and a reasonable amount of carbon that
could be converted to, to photosynthesis to make the
oxygen. And that that's fairly rare within, you know, the solar
system or even, you know, other places that were very unique
kind of place that had that mix that created a large amount of
oxygen that led to life. And that it had magnetic poles that
helped keep all that oxygen, the atmosphere in place from being
blown away by various sun activity. But that by by taking
away all that forest land that's primary is the biggest converter
of, of carbon dioxide into oxygen, that we've lost the
mechanics in the pump, the generator pump that supplies our
atmosphere. And we also have endangered the oceans with with
a lot of both plastic junk and, and various kind of runoffs that
that kill life forms that would otherwise have converted oxygen
in the water. I mean, the carbon dioxide in the water to oxygen
also. So where you can kind of view this as some as as having a
rope around your neck and it's slowly being tight. And at some
point, you know, initially, you can't do as much. You can't, you
know, run as much or so on because you can't get enough
oxygen after a while, you reduce your breathing just to survive.
And if it goes too far, you you're completely fixated. And
that's the state in the danger that we have going on within our
earth. And this is an attack on on both humanity and and on on
on Mother Nature, and that if if humans don't turn that around
and repopulate our trees, which which is straightforward,
because the, the dense, the high density places across Canada and
some parts of the United States, but especially Russia and, and
certain part, you know, Brazil has, you know, has had a mount
a monster's part, but they've been tearing down a lot of their
forests. There's certain parts of northern Africa that have the
potential they were in fact, at one point, extremely high
vegetation. But that through through evolutionary cycles,
turned into desert, but with the right kind of management, many,
many parts of northern Africa could be turned back from from
desert into flush areas that could support, you know, an
enormous amount of trees. There's there's various set of
programs known known as the 1 trillion tree initiatives that
have gotten started at various points, but they've never been
ramped up to the real size that they need to, to achieve those
goals. And we're at this point, we're still in a significant
decline of the amount of O2 oxygen.
Yes, well, well said, Glenn. And I'm a fan as a number of people
here are of Ian Plymer. And the evidence is clearly like the
plandemic that anybody who questions the fraudulent climate
emergency gets shut down, you cannot get any funding for any
research at university to show that there's no climate
emergency. And so shining a light on this, Glenn, on Thursday
night, you put the link into the chat, everybody, what time? What
time on Thursday night your time?
It's it's 8pm Eastern Time. So and it is we caught we recorded
live, but it's made available for replay immediately
afterwards. So we recognize that that's not always a convenient
time. This particular one we view as so urgent that we're
going to be planning activities next week, around running large
Zoom rooms to train many people on on the concern and how they
can deliver it. We were hoping to engage a large amount of
spiritual leaders in that process. Because we do think
this is a spiritual war we're in. And, you know, God will
survive all of this, but humans may not. And we'd like to see a
lot more humans survive.
Yeah, here, including you and me, Glenn. Okay, well, hands up
to discuss this topic or other topics. Marv.
Hey, when I, I, after the Fukushima catastrophe, I read a
lot about plankton, and I can't remember the number, but it's
either 60% or 70% of our oxygen comes from ocean plankton. The
trees are a small percentage of what produces it. But anyway,
there was a sharp dip. The Fukushima catastrophe reduced the
population of plankton in the Pacific dramatically for three or
four years. It's recovered now. But anyway, they would, yeah, we
talked about trees and the plant life on the land, but have you
looked at the plankton?
The plankton is actually a very valuable portion of it. It's not
nearly as high as you've indicated. The best estimates is
that the ocean conversion of oxygen, O2, is somewhere between
35 and 40% of the generated oxygen. But again, while it has
not been damaged as much as the tree canopy, it is in fact under
duress and Fukushima kind of things and blooms and plastic
contamination of the oceans and runoff contamination that, I
mean, river deltas often are a giant place for where some of
that conversion occurs, and many of them have been damaged by,
you know, improper use of fertilizer runoff. So there's a
range of natural things. I mean, the nice part about these trees
work for free, you know. We just got to, you know, start the
youngsters off. We got to have those sampling seedlings farms
put together and ways of putting them out in large scale. Various
people have actually engineered designs where you could have
planes of seedlings and basically do air drops. If you get
it the right height and the right weight of each little pot,
it will actually sink into the ground below. You include in the
set a certain amount of fertilizer to get it running, and
therefore you don't even necessarily need to have manual
teams going out and planting. You can do large scale planting
by going out the back of the cargo planes.
OK, thank you.
You know, I've always wondered about the, you know, in Oregon,
in our forests, we kill all the hardwood trees, we spray. All
our forests now are farmed for the Douglas fir and the fir trees.
Well, I think those hardwood trees, the broadleaf plants,
produce a lot more. They do a lot more for the synthesis than
the fir needles, or I might be wrong about that.
But no, you're correct. They are more efficient. But, you know,
it's unlikely we're going to go to a world where we're not using
wood for a lot of products. In general, most of the wood
companies are, you know, that's their livelihood. So they're
fairly good stewards around replanting, at least for evergreen
production and fir trees and so on. You're right, hardwood in a
full canopy like you have in the Brazilian jungles is the most
efficient. Virtually everything that comes down gets captured
and converted. But, you know, certainly taking areas and saying
we're going to be much more efficient around replanting them,
even for wood production, is a good positive way of keeping the
oxygen generator going. Thank you, Bob.
We've got hands up. Jim.
Hey, Glenn, I was just wondering about, I put in the chat a cover
of The Economist magazine from 2012 where the demon is standing
next to a climate change machine. The US Air Force said they
would have complete control of the weather by 2025, and it seems
they do. Can you discuss the intelligence agency control of the
weather as it pertains to the wellness company and Colson,
C-O-U-L-S-O-N, Aeronautical, that is the family of Foster Colson,
who runs the wellness company and Colson Aviation, that's
supposed to have the government contracts to put out all the
fires, especially the ones in Canada that just burned Canada's
forests so much that the smoke covered the United States. It
looks like there's a lot of intelligence network involvement
in burning up our forests. Can you go into that?
While I know a fair amount of it, it is not one of the topics that
we delved into in our show in any significant way. I will comment
relative to Lahana in Hawaii, and for anyone that thinks that
that was a natural disaster, they are wrong on two fronts. You
described altering climate, the most common mechanism of that is
seeding clouds. It is likely that that particular hurricane before
the fire was seeded in a certain way to accent the wind speeds that
were occurring on Lahana. More importantly, Lahana was in fact the
burnings were all accelerated by spraying of materials similar to
napalm, but in a much smaller type of gun and done from low-flying
helicopters. The strong indication is that those helicopters were
run by the Colson Company. That's the only one I have directly
commented on in public in an open forum that happened to be on a
Zoom call that got recorded. We suspect similar things, and it
sounds like you also do suspect similar things have gone on in
Canada, which is the home country for Colson.
All right, thank you.
You're welcome.
Lou, do you have a question for me?
No question. I just wanted to say you said God will live after human
beings are gone. God is love, period. That's 1 John 4-8. This idea of a
supreme being is a delusion. The universe is way too big with our
billions of galaxies for some Zeus-like supreme being to be, you
know, knowing where every feather drops and every leaf falls. That's
delusional. If we disagree on that, we just have to agree to disagree.
Well, there's a lot of different variations on how people represent
faith. The most I would say is something created the universe, and
something in our solar system created our planet in vast contrast to
every other planet in our solar system that gave us a combination of
an iron core that allowed a magnetic field. Within that, the appropriate
gravity levels and atmosphere settings to build nitrogen, oxygen,
carbon dioxide that allowed us to both have life forms created and flourish.
I personally don't think that's a coincidence.
It's not a coincidence, but if you're familiar, as we all are,
I have a Bachelor of Science degree in religious studies.
Hydrogen, when it burns long enough and hard enough, you get fusion,
and then you get helium, and then you get the various other, what,
over 100 elements on the periodic table. Carbon is the miracle molecule
because it can bind with so much other matter. I think E equals mc squared,
where energy and matter are equatable when you talk about the speed of
light squared equating them. It's a wild world. I recently heard about
frequencies being a big thing, and other dimensions. We went from
Newtonian physics to quantum physics, and now this guy at a party I was at
last Saturday said, dimensional physics. It just gets so bizarre and esoteric,
and really metaphysical and ridiculous to me. We life forms,
we're fragile creatures, we're cellular based. There are three forms of life,
unconscious life, like our insects and our plants, and there's conscious life,
like our fellow mammals, our dogs and cats. We get pet therapy from them in comfort.
And then there's us, there's self-conscious life. A lot of philosophers over the millennia
have spoken about, we're the only creatures that are conscious of self,
have a conscience. The more you know, the more you know how much you don't know.
But God is love, period. It's the attraction force and the equally necessary separation force
in a beautiful balance. Water is life, and I gotta go.
Well, as a comment, you know, in good times when the world is truly in balance,
being able to have theological dialogue in an open society and free debate is a wonderful thing,
and allows various kinds of options to everyone. Unfortunately, we're not in that balance right
now. We're in grave danger of a massive imbalance.
And fear not, it's the best of times and the worst of times.
It's the best of times and the worst of times. You can understand why the oligarchs don't want
change, because they've got their rituals and their comfort zones. And so, you know,
compassion is a luxury. And it's a form of compassion, you know, to listen to others and
to expound on what we consider our areas of knowledge. So thanks, guys, for having the Zoom
meeting. I'm sorry, Bridget didn't show up. Ben, I've heard him before, and that member of
Parliament is right on. And so thanks for listening to me. Thanks for letting me make a comment here
from beautiful Ormond Beach, Florida. Enjoy. Enjoy Florida.
Creators, we're creators, conspiracy realist, educator, activist, truth-or-organizer, reader,
socializers. Well said, Lou. Well said. Thank you, Charles.
Okay, Anders. Yeah, I'm not quite sure if I shall comment on the wellness company or
climate, but I think it may be better to do the climate.
Anders, do both, because you posted something that was interesting on the wellness company,
but do climate first, then the wellness company. Okay. So I've been doing a long research on
climate. I would say I am a nerd, so I could talk for hours about what I know.
So there is not a problem with the climate. It's the problem with politicians to believe there is
a problem. So the problem is that they started to make this fantasy of that there is a carbon,
let's say, connection, the CO2, which was causing the global warming. We had a long time cooling
from about 1300 till about 1850. We had a huge cooling effect about 1645 to 1710. It was a huge
problem of the low level of carbon. It was connected very strongly to the 400-year low solar
electromagnetic or magnetic radiation. We are now entering a similar period,
or it's getting colder. It will be colder between 1917 and 2053, according to Valentin Sarkova,
who is number one in solar research. The CO2 will most likely go down because there is established
in science a five to seven year relation. So when the temperature starts to drop,
the CO2 will go down. It will go back to the sea, and we will see a drop. Even
we believe that there is a problem with emission. This emission is going to equilibrium by the law
of Henry. It is known science. It's just that they don't want to talk about it. It was high level of
CO2 in 1942. After a very warm, the highest temperature on record is not recently. Most
of the tops were in the 1930s. It is quite interesting to see that they were
silencing the German scientists who found this data that it was 440 parts per million of carbon
CO2 in 1942 after the global warming in the 1930s.
So, so, and Beck is the name of this scientist. He died about 2009, and they have been trying to
shut him down. They're trying to hide the fact that there was a correlation between CO2 and
temperature. And when temperature goes up, CO2 go up. When it go down, it's CO2 go down. And I think
within two years, we will see that CO2 will start to drop. It goes back to the sea following
a cooling trend. So this is caused by the solar, huge magnets in the sun, which are not completely
in sync. But so you can analyze these like in a prism, and you will find their components,
and you analyze those in a mechanical, a mathematic model. This is Valentine Sarkova in Northumbria.
And she has then made backward and forward correlation. And this is in line with NASA
and anyone who really knows about science and the sunspot, let's say. So this is the real science
of the what is causing that. It is not in Europe or not northern hemisphere. And it in Norway,
it is getting much greener. The last hundred years, it's a lot greener because we were starving with
carbon CO2 from let's say 1650 till about 1850. And it has been growing, but it's still very low.
So we don't have a problem. There is nothing to solve. We need more carbon in the air.
Anders, I completely agree with all the positions you're taking.
And I'm completely, you know, our team is completely against the climate change
as it's described, namely that we have excess CO2 and that that is going to lead to some kind
of decline, either warming issues or others that are dangerous to life. Instead, we're saying what's
happening is the... I'm not worried. Hold on, let me finish. What has happened is the engine that
drives the production of O2 has broken down both in the forest cover as well as the oceans.
And with that, there's been a absolute loss of not only oxygen, but also carbon dioxide and
nitrogen that these have been lost in the very, very high sides of the atmosphere.
And that at some point, you keep shrinking the absolute amount of oxygen in those high areas
where the extra cushion was, and then it starts to affect the amount of oxygen you have at sea level.
And that's the point we're heading for. We've taken away all of the spare cushion and we're
actually, you know, there's only been at sea level a small amount of oxygen drop.
What is causing it, in your opinion? Is it the harp? Is it the chanterelle? What is the
cause of the changes? Is it natural or manmade? Well, it's manmade from the viewpoint that large
amounts of the forest have been cut down or burned down compared to 600 years ago.
On the same side, they're growing. So if you go to...
But they're not being replenished. I mean, typical forest covers, you know,
gather nearly 100% of all light that comes down. Once you burn them down and not energetically
reset their seedlings to fill in that space, they are far less efficient and therefore producing
less oxygen in the oxygen engine. But let's say if you go to Norway, Sweden, Finland,
Russia, in Norway it's about 40% increase of forest the last 100 years.
Yeah, there are some places that have filled in more and as you described, some of that
is been can be attributed to the modest rise of CO2 that they were more efficient. See, trees
don't need a high percentage of oxygen in order for them to operate.
They also produce all the food, all the crops, they consume carbon, CO2, and they emit O2. So
all the increase of 25-30% in food production is kind of producing O2 all over.
It is producing some. It's only a fraction, a very small fraction of what you get out of the canopy
of a rainforest or a northern forest across Canada or the Soviet Union.
But Canada still have a lot of forest. I mean, they didn't touch much. So, okay,
I'm much more worried with the pollution and the chemtrail and the harp because there is a
huge amount of dying trees now the last three, four years following most likely radiation and poison
from harmful chemtrail. So I'm much more worried about poison and radiation than
let's say the natural processes because I mean, we have had much higher O2 earlier when it was
much more, when the temperature was warmer. It's a function also of temperature.
There's a variety of cross currents and anything that man is explicitly doing to damage the ecology
through whatever degree of chemtrails are occurring is absolutely evil and should be altered.
Unfortunately, people that are clearing forests in order to plant crops or clearing forests in order
to build open spaces, they don't recognize the danger they're putting the planet under by excessive
amounts of that. It's bad. So I know, for example, in Brazil, they're cutting down rainforest
to make sugar cane so that Sweden can go on E, whatever 85% non-petrol, let's say, ethanol.
So this is completely crazy what they're doing. So, oh, yes, absolutely. Also the American idea
to burn, let's say, corn or to make fuel out of corn. That's also wrong idea.
And Glenn, for that matter, I can't work out. I'm trying to work out. Look,
do you two believe that man-made climate change is an issue?
Definitely not.
Pardon?
Definitely not.
Absolutely. I agree with you. What do you say, Glenn?
Whether it's an issue?
You know, the warnings about man-made climate change?
No, no, it's a complete hoax.
So I don't understand what you two are discussing, then.
Well, I...
There is a scientific debate whether there is a reduction of oxygen, and that is a story.
But let's say the question is why? So if the temperature has been going up the last 40 years,
the trees and the plants have been more productive. So then I would say O2 has been going up because
carbon has been going into the plants. But, okay, you are burning fossil fuels. But this balance
is created by the law of Henry. So within six, seven years, there is new equilibrium, whatever
temperature there is. It's not related to emission. It's related to the temperature. The K constant
of law of Henry says that it is defined by the temperature and the new equilibrium.
Yeah.
So, Stephen, think of it this way.
No, I'm just thinking about the audience, Glenn. Glenn, can you explain it to the audience
what you two are arguing about? And also explain to the audience what you two agree on
because I think that this discussion is going to confuse people who are against the emergency
caused by global warming, you know? So... And I don't believe that man-made global warming is an
issue. I think the, you know, it's just crazy, the whole thing. And I just think...
We have some disagreement on O2.
It's very difficult to argue what you're arguing about.
Okay.
We disagree on oxygen, not on carbon.
Correct. So climate change is based on the theory that there's excess carbon dioxide
occurring in the atmosphere, and that will lead to a severe downgrade of the Earth and all of its
life forms.
Yeah.
The issue that I'm identifying clearly and for which there's, you know, a fair amount of
awareness, but not a huge amount. It's been covered up for a range of reasons that I won't go into.
But with the reduction of the oxygen generator. So if you think of trees and various kind of
plant lives as, you know, within their total ecology of the Earth, they generate oxygen.
And with high levels of oxygen, that's what pushed the fork forward within our whole Earth
to have life forms. In the early stages, when you only had very simple and single cell plants,
you only had a small amount of oxygen being put off, and most of that then got absorbed
by the iron, and it turned into rust, and you had no atmosphere.
But as the rust sort of diminished, or the iron readily available on the Earth's surface
diminished, then it did produce free oxygen, and with that additional nitrogen as an air
instead of a solid. And that's where we got an atmosphere.
And without an atmosphere, as exists in Mars, you have no life. So that's what's built up.
And together, the atmosphere has been growing for millions of years, and got to the stage of very
robust plant and animal expansion. It's considered a giant explosion inside of a
galactical issues because it did happen so fast. But it relies on that pump, that pump of new
oxygen coming in on a constant basis, and we've lost that pump. And we're now losing that amount
of oxygen, and on an absolute level, we're seeing our atmosphere reduced and collapsing.
So you think, Glenn, that there is a danger to the planet then because of what matter?
There is a danger to the planet, but not by climate change. Climate change is very much
focused on there being a problem with the CO2 levels, the carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide
percentages in the Earth's atmosphere have fluxed over quite wide ranges. Anders has alluded to that.
There's no such thing as this runaway train of CO2 that got pushed forward by the climate change
crazies. So Anders, what do you think about that?
I just checked it up, and there has been a small change of oxygen, but it is not significant.
And I don't even know fully. He has theories about pulsation, but let's say
I'm not worried about oxygen. So it might be a reason.
You're measuring it both by the amount of oxygen relative to the other parts of the atmosphere
and around the amounts that occur at low levels of the atmosphere.
We just checked up. We are now at about 20%. It was 35% some 35 million years ago.
So there is natural variation both in oxygen and CO2. So I don't think if it is going to 19%,
it's going to be causing huge problems for us.
Maybe they measure it differently. You're substantially wrong on that.
But I don't even share about the mechanism of it. So I'm afraid of the pollution.
That's bad for everything, pollution and radiation. And it might be a connection to that.
It's unlikely. There is some level of the impact of pollution. But the other thing around pollution
is that is controllable, relatively forward way, controllable by humans. And we've seen that
certainly in the US from many decades of being anti-pollution and seeing things
comparatively improving, especially compared to China, which has got a massive pollution problem.
Generally, but chemtrails were a big worry. And I'm not sure most of you are realizing it,
but chemtrails used to be something they put into plane and to gas the atmosphere. And they
said it was geoengineering. We see now what is going on. But now they are putting also aluminium
nanoparticles and many other chemical plastics and cesium into the jet fuel of normal planes.
So the amount of pollution now is maybe 10 times more than it was 10 years ago. It is extreme now.
The air, the sun, the blue sky is now very often covered with film from chemtrails.
It's just to look up to see it.
I'm not an expert on that. I will concede to the things you're describing. But one of the things
that's obvious is those people that are taking those actions are hiding it from us. They are
secluding it. Well, then can you identify the individual players, the individual budgets that
exist in various countries that are funding that? And the amount of the volume?
It's basically USA, NATO, the deep state. It's the same people behind the COVID. So they have a very
bad plan. And pollution is part of the story to destroy life on earth to some extent.
I'm simply saying those people taking those evil actions in control, if those control actions were
reversed, so would be the danger. However, in the case of oxygen loss and atmospheric loss,
it's not enough to stop the evil players from doing things. It's also to say that we have to
replenish the engine that had created this relatively positive and ideal level of atmosphere
for us. Where you and I are disagreeing is on the mechanisms that get used in order to measure
the absolute amount of atmosphere that we have around the earth.
Yeah. But I know for a fact there are two main problems. It is radiation and pollution. And this
is manmade and it is on purpose and it is by evil governments and politicians and those behind them.
It's the same.
Anderson, Glenn, can I modify it to three different possibilities? Natural, manmade,
or intelligence made? And this seems to be intelligence made. And that's evil intelligence.
Let's say a plan that is intelligence in conjunction with demonic forces. And that goes
back to that picture on the Economist magazine where the main demon is standing right next to
a climate change machine. So if we think about this as those three possibilities, manmade mistake,
natural mistake like the COVID versus evil intelligence design. And then we have the
occurrence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein as an evil intelligence design, as well as the climate
change as an evil intelligence design. And you see orange skies everywhere. Well, when we were
children, we would throw chemicals in the fire and make it colors. And if you threw cadmium in the
fire, you'd see orange flames. People look up and not only do they see orange near the sunset,
they see it on the opposite side of the earth. The orange sky is all around us. And that may be
cadmium. And I'm noticing all my trees are dying in my backyard. And that may be the aluminum and
the cadmium and these other things that are being perhaps put into our jet fuels. I don't know. And
that's what I haven't analyzed. So, Jim, I think you're adding to the dialogue, and that's very
useful to recognize the element of intelligence and its role. I would alter it in that you're
describing it the evil intelligence as being a primary initiator. And I would say, no, it's the
evil psychopaths that are the initiators. And they happen to recognize the power that can be achieved
through an intelligence toolset that is designed around not being visible, designed around tricking
people, and lying in order to trick people. And that the psychopath cartel at the top with George
Soros and Rockefeller family and various others, they are the initiators and the control agents,
and they're utilizing the intel world as a weapon to keep the rest of us into a slave state.
But the purpose, if you put everything together, you see they are trying to do something with
the food production by energy shock, by nitrate limitation. And the weather manipulation and the
poisoning will reduce food production. And this is they are planning a food crisis, global food
crisis within maybe 12 months. Yes, I concur with that. And if you know Manhattan, Kansas,
Manhattan, Kansas is right near Fort Riley, Kansas, where the Spanish flu originated from in
1918 or something like that. Manhattan, Kansas is where the new level four bio warfare labs are.
And it is being staffed by US Air Force physician Robert Cadlec, K-A-D-L-E-C. And he just moved all
the hoof and mouth disease from Plum Island, the safety of an island off the coast of Long Island
in New York, into the center of the United States, Manhattan, Kansas, where he could have a lab leak
and hoof and mouth disease would damage our entire cattle population in Kansas and the rest of the
United States, prompting a mandatory destruction of our entire cattle population, the elimination
of the land of milk and honey here in the United States, moving to synthetic beef and synthetic
milk and further imports from Namibia Africa, as we were talking about before. So this looks like
a planned, just like we had a Wuhan leak, quote, leak when it was actually a planned release,
it looks like. And it wasn't the Chinese who did it. It was the United States and the Six Eyes
Intelligence Network who designed the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein rather than whatever the virus is,
or who knows what that is. But the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a biotero weapon. And now the
hoof and mouth disease is going to be one of the shots. There are multiple shots on goal. They
the intelligence networks do not rely on one thing. There are multiple shots on goal and there are
many things that are coming at us, including Monsanto, the ramifications of Monsanto's use
of Roundup. Roundup prompts a fungus, a special type of fungus on the roots of plants that has
been used as a biotero weapon that can cause nasal bleeding and vaginal bleeding. And we'll go into
that later on when I get more research on that. But there is a reason why Monsanto Roundup is
noted to cause cancer, should be banned immediately, but is still being sold and
Bayer is just sucking up the billions in fines, keeps paying them out as they keep selling the
Roundup. There's a reason for it. And it has to do with decimation of our food as Roundup depletes
the zinc sources in our food. You grow props with Roundup and you don't have much zinc in the product,
the corn, the wheat. And a friend of mine lives in Canada. They say if you move a stash of wheat
to put in a silo in Canada, they test it for Roundup. If it doesn't have any Roundup in it,
they don't accept it. This is disturbing. So this pesticide, I've been going into this now,
I can tell because I was so surprised to find that non-vaxxed people have the same poison in
their body now like the vaxxed people. So there is a source and the pesticides are now nanotech.
The water and the milk is filtering. So there is so many types of sources of pollution and it's not
only polluting us, it's polluting the trees and the plants, fish, the insects, everything.
And that is very important. And for us to just harp on this idea that ban the vaccine,
that is the wrong path. That is a divided path. We must ban the spike protein in any form, vaccine,
virus, hydrogel, aerosol. It's a nanotechnology. The spike protein is one of the biotero weapons.
You're right. There's more nanotech that I don't understand. You can talk about the wavelengths
and stuff. You have certain expertise that I don't. Mine may be biochemistry or medical.
And so the nanotech, so I can concentrate on the spike protein as being a biotero weapon in vaccine,
virus, hydrogel, or any form. That spike protein is the biotero weapon.
If you go to United Nations 17 goals, one is clean water. What they really mean,
they want to use nanografin and polymer film to clean the water, to pollute it. It's the opposite.
They will do the same with the milk. So they give now jabs to the cows and the bulls. They
get the same poison in them like we did. It goes to the chicken, to the pork. So the pollution is
now extreme in so many fields. And it is a huge mistake to believe that you're fine if you're not
jammed. And that is very true. But however, you've heard me and I appreciate Stephen Frost and
Charles Kovacs allowing me to speak about the things that RFK Jr. was thrown off of platforms
for speaking about. And that is the genetic specificity. There are certain things that you
couldn't speak about that you were banned. And so that's why I'm so grateful to Stephen Frost and
Charles Kovacs because they allow discussion about various topics, civilized discussion.
And one of the civilized discussions we need to have is whether there is some type of genetic
specificity, people who may not be affected or adversely affected or their children adversely
affected by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. And that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, remember Pfizer's
CEO Albert Borla is not a physician. He's a veterinarian. And Albert Borla's specialty is
immunocastration, castrating with a series of two vaccines. And if you notice, the SARS-CoV-2 spike
protein drops testosterone. It binds to organs with the highest number of ACE2 receptors. And
there are three ACE2 receptors on the spike protein in vaccine or virus form. And those three and those
ACE2 receptors number per square centimeter are highest on men's testicles. So if you have a high
affinity for that ACE2 receptor binding domain on the spike protein, your generations may be adversely
affected by immunocastration, as is the specialty of Albert Borla. Why is he the head of Pfizer?
That's bizarre. You know, and I can make a comment. All right, everybody. Everybody, hang on. Before we
continue, because this, I love, I love stuff on testicles. And I have no drama discussing stuff
on testicles. And we're at our two and a half hour, over two and a half hours. And so I want to stop
this recording and Tom Rodman's got his video telegram meeting happening. But just for your
information, everybody, we got to 65 people, one hour in, we've got 36 people here now.
And all these issues are, you know, Susan's got her hand up, Peter's got a hand up. I'm happy to stop
the recording. I've got to go and do something else. If you want to keep this conversation going,
if I stop the recording, then when that runs out, Tom, are you happy to stay here? You can,
Stephen will be here. I can stay here. I don't know if someone else wants to,
someone else can moderate to. Stephen's here, but I'll stop the recording. Oh, yeah.
It's wonderful to have you all here. And we'll get Andrew Bridgen shortly, I'm sure. I'll save the
chat and Jeremy Forbes had to go and keep the conversation going. And I'll keep this open.
I'll just stop the recording so we don't have to edit so much. All right. Is happy with that?
Yep. All right. Keep going with the conversation on testicles. I'd love to join it,
but I've got other things to do. Just a comment, Jim. I would add that I have read research.