Charles is in Australia.
Yep, I'll run you through the logistics in a moment.
Lovely to see you in Germany.
Were you in Belgium or Germany at the moment?
In Belgium right now, Brussels.
Well, we've got Simon De Wolf here, a Belgian in Australia at 6 a.m. in the morning.
And so wave your hand Simon so that Christian can see you.
There you are.
And Charles is Hungarian, also in Australia.
I'm the president of the Australia Hungry Chamber of Commerce, although I was born in Australia,
but my parents brutalized me to learn Hungarian so I can now speak the language.
That's what parents' job is, isn't it? To brutalize children.
Simon, Stephen, have you made me co-host yet? I don't think so.
Oh, no, that's right. I will learn one day.
Now, Stephen, before we get to Christine, while we're waiting for people to come in.
Stephen, we've had a complaint on the recordings, you know, that you're clicking your biro.
Now, I won't tell you where the complaint came from,
but apparently people can hear you clicking your biro or your ballpoint pen.
Anyway, just passing that on.
Could be. I mean, haven't they got anything better to think about?
Well, I'm amazed. I've never once heard you clicking your biro.
Yeah, I could be guilty of that. It's got some... I can show you the guilty pen.
So it's got four... well, I'll bore you with this. It's got four colors.
So I can do it, you know, turn it around and in one revolution I can do four times.
Yeah. So honestly, could they hear that? Well...
Did you get into trouble, Stephen, at school for fiddling and being, you know, constantly, constantly...
No, but at school I didn't say anything, so...
That's a schoolboy pen, Stephen.
You still haven't made me co-host, Stephen.
Well, sorry, no, I got distracted. So, wait a minute, Charles.
You're distracting Stephen with your talk.
Wait a minute now. Make co-host.
Stephen, you're looking good today.
Who?
You. I don't know why. It's like the background.
Oh, no, I've got the daylight behind me.
That's right, the daylight. And he hasn't got the light behind his head, so that makes you look like Saint Stephen.
Yeah, I didn't realize that either.
All right. If anybody is new here, so I'm... Christine, I'm the moderator, as Stephen said in the emails.
I wear my red jacket because I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
So you are passionate, so you are in the right place.
We have here...
We have here an eclectic group of doctors, physicians, retired physicians, retired neurosurgeons from all around the world,
lawyers, legal strategists, philosophers, journalists, engineers, scientists, physicists, troublemakers, and people universally opposed to loss of freedom and the loss of doctors' ethics.
That's what we're about. The way that we've run these events... Jeremy, I'll come to you in just a moment before Christine starts.
You have your hand up. Christine, will you listen to you as long as you want to speak?
You can go for 10 minutes or an hour and a half, and then we have questions.
I moderate the questions and handle them one at a time.
And people put their hands up, and that's how we do it. And I try to keep it in control.
My question to you, Christine, is how long have we got you?
I have no other plans for tonight. I kept it completely clear.
So however long you can bear me, that's fine with me.
I will bear you. On Sunday night, Vera Sharav spoke for two and a half hours.
So I spoke for an hour and then was there for an hour and a half of questions and conversation.
And as you know, I run it formally until you're here.
And then when you go, then it becomes like going to the bar. So that's what we do.
It's a free for all after that. Stephen then moderates.
Secondly, anyone who's new here, please introduce yourself on the chat.
We've sometimes had trolls trying to get in here and find out stuff.
But we've got good people watching here who know who comes here so that we can troll that.
They send me a private message to say, hey, Christine Anderson is a troll. Get rid of her.
She's a troublemaker. She joins these meetings. So that's what we get.
I am a troublemaker, though.
Oh, that's true. We're all troublemakers, Christine. On this call, we're all troublemakers.
All right. So before Christine, we introduce you. We've got forty one people.
That's very good. Jeremy, you've got your hand up.
Yeah, Charles. Good morning to you and welcome to Christine.
I invited a friend and I just wanted to give you a heads up about that.
He's on here now. I think his name is Mike Blythe.
He's an IT specialist and he's been following affairs for many decades as far as the globalism and other related items are concerned.
And he's very much tuned in, as I said to you, I sent you an email on this.
But anyway, so he's out there somewhere and I guess he'll introduce himself.
Yeah, Jeremy, if you ask him to send an email to me and then he'll get the invites.
I'll do that. Yes. So we've got this balance because the invitations also go out on Christine on the Google Group.
There's a large Google Group to see 19 D and it's a wonderful source of information.
And so, you know, Stephen, we have a nice control on who's here.
But Stephen, Jerry makes a good point.
You know, people who want to invite others who are aligned with this thinking by all means, Stephen, or invite them and then let Stephen know so that he knows who's expected here.
That's basically the deal. All right.
Let's get Christian.
I'm delighted that we've got you because in your in your work and role and your courage, it's going to be wonderful to be able to share some thoughts and ideas and to inspire us to do the work that we need to do.
Fight for freedom. So, Stephen, do you want to introduce Christine or could?
No, no, we don't need to do that.
Christine, you can introduce yourself. Tell us your story.
People know about you. And so we are in your hands as long as you want to speak and then Q&A after that.
Over to you. Great.
So I just go ahead and start. Absolutely.
Yes. Hello, everyone.
My name is Christine Anderson.
I'm an MEP in the European Parliament and I have been here or was elected here in June of 2019.
And I am absolutely convinced that democracy, freedom and the rule of law, they are in dire need of having to be defended.
And this is basically what I'm what I'm trying to do.
And I did have an idea of how corrupt politics actually were before I got here.
But I will have to say I was amazed at how corrupt it actually is.
And I will have to say that the people all around the world and that's really the case.
We are under attack and we are under attack by the very same people that were elected to represent us and to act on our behalf and to serve our best interest.
But that's not what they're doing.
What we're actually looking at right now is nothing less than the abolition of democracy.
The very principle of democracy, the rule by the people for the people, is about to be ripped to shreds by a corrupt and political financial elite.
Now, how are they doing this?
Well, they have put in place numerous mechanisms, uncounted agendas, policies, which are very carefully and purposely defragmented to an extent that people are actually deceived into thinking they have nothing to do with one another and thus preventing them from being able to see to connect the dots and to see the big picture.
So what I will do is I will just point out or name a couple of things that is what's actually going on.
And just to give you an idea of how large of a scale of a threat we are actually talking about, let's just take the EU institutions itself.
They are not only undermining democracy.
No, they are specifically designed to be the very means to abolish democracy, to abolish free and sovereign nations, and to abolish free peoples all over the world.
For example, division of power, the very principle of any democracy, it does not exist within the EU institutions.
And the way they're doing this is very simple.
There is a body, it's called the Council of European Union, which is the essential lawmaker in the EU.
But this body is comprised of members of the national executive.
So whatever the executive in the national parliaments, let's say they have an idea for some legislation, but they cannot get a majority.
So usually at this point, you know, the idea was done with the story is ended.
But no, now they're going to the EU level and they're the very ones that are making the laws here.
And once the law is passed here, then it will go back to the national parliaments and it will have to be implemented by the member states.
Plus, it leads to the to the effect that any member state, even though they specifically said, no, we do not want this legislation,
can be overruled by majority in the Council of the European Union.
So in other words, it is nations ruling over nations and the people that are supposed to be represented in the parliaments,
they no longer play any part in it whatsoever.
So we're talking about division of power. Forget it.
So this is how it's done.
The next thing, what they did just recently, the so-called Conference on the Future of Europe.
If you go back, they tried to pass a new constitution like what, 15 years ago or something like that.
And but they did make the mistake of having referendums in two of the member states and the people in these referendums in these two states,
one was Netherlands, the other one was France.
They said, no, we don't want this.
And then it was buried because they needed, like I said, they needed to be approved.
All of the other states, however, they didn't have referendums.
So they would have just passed it.
What they're doing now is they called in this Conference on the Future of Europe and they're pretending that we listen to the citizens of Europe,
which, by the way, there is no such thing as a European citizenship.
But they're basically saying we're listening to you.
I know you have some problems with the way we do things.
We are now listening to you.
And they called in an incredible number of 50,000 citizens.
Imagine that.
And who were now called upon contributing to what their idea of the new Europe was going to be.
Well, problem is these 50,000 randomly selected European citizens were not randomly selected.
They were handpicked.
The majority of them are from some NGOs, whatever.
So they came here with the, yeah, with the mindset Europe, we have to build this European house now.
And this is what they're pushing for.
They are about to build a EU super state.
And what they're doing is there will not there won't be any referendums anywhere now because they learned their lesson.
People might say no.
So they're not going to run that risk.
But they're using this conference on the future of Europe, which is an utter farce.
It is a spectacle.
It is a circus.
But it has nothing to do with deciding policy or anything like that.
But they're using this in order to justify, well, we're doing what the people want.
So we have another framing going on here.
So this is just the one part.
Then we're talking about the WHO is now renegotiating the contracts with the member states.
And they actually started on March 1st.
It was, I think, the first meeting.
And what this is aiming at is basically to empower WHO in the case of a pandemic to seize all executive powers of any member state.
So in other words, we're talking about a non-elected body who not only has the authority to call out a pandemic,
but once they've done so, they will seize executive powers and basically rule the member states.
And the elected governments in these member states, they're simply cast aside.
They have to do what the WHO tells them to do.
We have another aspect to that.
Let's talk about, for instance, everything that we once valued, for example, unborn life.
WHO is now demanding to end all time limits on abortions.
And they basically, abortions should be allowed up until the very last minute that the baby is born.
So in the EU last year, it was a large majority that abortion was declared a fundamental human right.
Just think about that.
So just one other aspect.
Then we have, of course, the COVID pass, the Digital Green Certificate.
And I'm telling you, this was just a test balloon.
It was just a way of getting people accustomed to the fact that they had to show some kind of a QR code wherever they go, whatever they wanted to do.
And but it was just just a test balloon.
What is really coming now is the so-called EU ID or in the world, a digital identity.
And once we have that, I don't think I have to tell anyone what that means.
So what they're aiming at is not making the government transparent.
Now, they're aiming at making the people transparent.
They want to know everything about you.
And in this context also, when you look at the Digital Green Certificate, and here in Germany, it actually led to the absurd fact that our state borders, they're wide open.
So anyone can step foot at any time he wants to on our soil and then, of course, be fed and sheltered in the country.
But me as a German citizen, I was not allowed to step foot in, let's say, a shoe store or get my hair cut without presenting a QR code.
And in this context, we can actually talk about that there has a shift taken place.
Fundamental rights are no longer fundamental rights that are guaranteed no matter what.
The shift has taken place. They are now considered privileges that governments can grant or withhold as they see fit.
And what we've seen through this pandemic that was going on, they have done just that.
If citizens didn't behave, then they were punished.
Then the recovery status was was cut down from six months to three months, whatever.
So the segregation that was going on here, that was basically introduced with this.
And if anyone thinks that this is not the endgame with a digital identity, we really need to think again, because that's exactly what this is about.
The next point is, you know, take this whole gender madness, for example.
With this, we're looking at the undermine our very concept of understanding of humans is being undermined.
To the point that if anyone can be anything at any time in the end, everyone will be nothing.
That's the point they're trying to make here. And this concept basically robs people of their individuality, of their identity.
And if you don't want to have an identity, then you become part of a maleable mass, something that gets shuffled around wherever it is needed and is even expendable.
These are the things we need to think about.
This whole self-proclamation of sex.
I mean, first it was you have to tolerate if someone was born in the wrong body.
Then you were asked to you had to accept it.
Now you have to respect it.
Otherwise, you might be charged with a hate crime.
And this very concept, I mean, when you think about hate, what is hate? Hate is a feeling.
It's a yeah, there's something you feel.
It becomes a problem once you act upon a hate feeling, whatever.
But simply by disagreeing with the concept that anyone can decide at any time whatever he wants to be.
If I say I don't think it works like this, I could be charged with a hate crime.
That in and of itself would be enough.
This leads to the fact that, you know, in this context, especially women, we are basically eradicated simply by omitting certain words.
For example, female or women.
They no longer seem to exist.
I referred to an article that was run on New York Times, and it was basically about female hygiene products.
And in the entire article, there was not once the words woman, girls mentioned.
Not once. Instead, they referred to women as being menstruators.
Girls were first menstruators, pleaders, and so on.
And I found this so degrading, to be quite frank, because menstruator, quite frankly, does sound a little like Terminator, doesn't it?
So anyway, then you have, you know, in sports, in female sports, now women are being ridiculed by allowing men to compete against women.
More even, women are not only overpowered by men now, it is done so publicly on a stage and under great applause.
And this is unbelievable.
To fight violence against women.
Up until now, it was always that, you know, yeah, there need to be certain spaces that women can feel safe in.
So you had, you know, separate bathrooms, separate changing rooms, in hospitals.
Of course, you were separated in prisons.
All of this is gone now.
Women are now basically forced to share these spaces, and they call it respect.
You know, so this is a violation basically on everything that they ever try to accomplish, you know, in women's rights.
Then again, we have a candidate for the US Supreme Court who does not feel or who is, it's impossible for her to define what a woman is.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
In Germany, there is a member of the Bundestag who never underwent any surgery or hormone treatment, or even as much as declared to the authorities that he wishes to be recognized as a woman.
Now, he was still allowed to run for the Bundestag and now get this on the woman's list because he's a member of the Green Party and they already implemented that woman's quota.
So they have this, the zipper procedure.
So now we have a man sitting on a woman's quota seat.
But basically, I would think he is a man in woman's clothes.
So my question is, if there is such a thing as cultural appropriation, why is this not considered sex appropriation?
Because that's what it is to me.
And now on top of all of that, I have to sit here and have to listen to this elected representative, a man telling me that a penis is not per se a male organ.
I mean, you know, sometimes I really don't like, I really like the words.
I already mentioned before that, you know, everything we once valued such as unborn life, now it is actually seen as this unbearable burden.
So I already mentioned that it was declared a human fundamental human right in the EU.
In the EU, they want to extend abortions up until the very last minute of the baby's birth.
And they're stating it in a quite interesting way even because preventing abortion or limiting the time when an abortion can take place would be a violation of the rights of women,
girls, or wait for it, other pregnant persons.
I don't know who else gets pregnant besides women and girls.
But OK, so in Germany, we even had a campaign in which children were portrayed as carbon dioxide polluters.
Can you imagine?
So in this campaign basically aimed at you shouldn't have children at all.
And in case you are pregnant already, well, it might be better to abort the fetus because we want to save climate.
This is ridiculous. And, you know, I wonder what future generation are we supposed to save the planet for if they're the ones we're killing off just to be sure to save the planet?
Then we go on under the pretext of wanting to fight child pornography.
They're actually about to implement mechanisms to read private messages on anyone's phone.
Now get this. We want to prevent child pornography.
And that's why we have to allow the state to read any messenger texts on any phone.
This is absurd. And this is what I call the police state.
Because while they are claiming they want to fight child pornography, at the same time, they have absolutely no problems whatsoever to expose children as young as kindergartners to sex games, to instruct them on sexual orientation, gender identity, along with teaching them various sex practices.
And again, this holds true here too. If you violate a child's natural, how do you say that, line of decency or like a shame barrier, if you break through that, you can do whatever you want with this child.
And you will actually open this child up to sexual abuse, exploitation even.
So, yeah, when you look to Florida, they actually passed, they managed to pass a parental rights bill, which basically forbids to instruct young children from the age of three, I think up until 10, to sexual orientation and gender identity.
But once again, they're, you know, ranting about it. It's homophobic, it's gender phobic, and they just don't seem to get that, no, this is actually protecting children.
So these are just a few things, and I could go on and on and on and on about the various things that are about to be put in place.
But I will, let me put it this way. We actually are in the verge of slipping into a totalitarian regime that will make Orville's 1984 and Huxley's new brave world look like a ridiculous piece of cake.
And these were just a few things. And like I said, there is more, much more, and people are being deceived. And they're being told it's all done for their own good, as we have seen with the COVID crisis, it was all about public health, of course it was.
But actually what they accomplished was the exact opposite. Especially in Germany, people will be ostracized for not being vaccinated. And we were openly called out.
The politicians, they got up on stage and they basically said, you're not vaccinated, you're out of the game, you no longer belong to this society.
So we are already at that, you know. So yeah, these are tough times. And there is lots more where this is coming from. And at this point, I'm convinced they will stop at nothing.
They got us at a point where the majority of the people, they just, you know, go along with all of this. And this amazes me that education of the last, what, 50 years, 60 years apparently amounted to nothing.
So that's pretty much what I have to say, just to give you an idea.
Wow, Christine, thank you for that expose of evil, a great survey of the global evil agenda. We've had many discussions. What you're sharing with us is certainly being discussed many times in this group.
There are many who, there are absolutely, that's why people are here, because we recognize this danger. And you point out that the people are being deceived. We're going to have a great conversation with you.
Thank you for speaking from your heart. Thank you to Radek Petsch for working with Stephen to get you to speak to us. That is wonderful to have you here, Radek. Great work.
And Christine, tradition goes here that Stephen gets first go at you to ask questions because he organizes all this. So he goes first and then we go via the hands up process. So Stephen, over to you.
Thank you, Christine. You mentioned two books, my two favorite books, Brave New World and 1984. And I've, a couple of days ago I was talking to some Chinese people in London on the phone and talking about the Chinese Communist Party and how was life really in China.
And it was eerily reminiscent of what we've gone through in the past two years. And they weren't, they didn't mind me criticizing the Chinese Communist Party, but they kept reverting their mindset was kind of, you know, they're doing it for our good kind of thing, you know.
So all the control is for their good. So I realized that these Chinese people who I'd never questioned before, I've been in contact with them, but I've never questioned them. They're all completely brainwashed, but they're brainwashed in exactly the manner that they're aiming for over the past two years, it seems.
So, but before that, what made me contact these people was I was reading about the great leap forward, which I'd never even heard of two weeks ago. And that was 1948 to 1952. So I don't know, there are lots of arguments about how many people were killed under Mao Tse-tung at that time.
But there were huge errors made in agriculture, but the Chinese Communist Party would never own up to the errors. So of course, even within those four years, they were repeating the mistakes, which they had made the year before.
So they had another disastrous harvest and thereby famine. So, and 40, there are varying estimates, but the figure that they seem to settle on is about 42 to 50 million Chinese were killed in that period of four years.
And then of course, Stalin's Russia is, it's not German. So everybody thinks that six million of the Holocaust in Germany. I've said to my children, ever since they were, they could understand, well, not only have I read 1984 to them and Brave New World, but I also told them that what happened in Germany could have happened in any country in the world.
And, and, and, but I didn't realize how right I was. And, but, but what I'm wondering is, do you think that the Chinese Communist Party is the model of these people? And if so, what are we going to do about it?
Why is that? Why is no one criticizing the Chinese, the China and the Chinese Communist Party about the social credit system that they've got there? Because I spoke to these Chinese people, they have got a social credit system there.
They can't do a damn thing in China. They've got their own internet. They can't. So anyone in China, actually in China can't communicate with you and me through the normal channels.
And they've got no freedom at all, it seems. And so I cannot understand why no one criticizes China. Everybody's afraid to criticize China. The first time I heard this was when the governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patton, the last governor of Hong Kong, 1997, when the British handed over Hong Kong to the Chinese.
One of the big publishers, Harper Collins, I think it was, in the UK was going to publish the autobiography of Chris Patton, the last governor of Hong Kong. And guess what? Harper Collins pulled the book at the last minute.
And the top editor at Harper Collins, who'd got the book to publication, he resigned in protest. But everybody thought it was okay. Nobody asked any questions and Chris Patton's book didn't get published and Chris Patton kept quiet.
The reason was they didn't want to upset the Chinese. And I thought, what's that about? Why are they afraid of the Chinese? Well, they should be afraid of them when they've got the system they have got, which they're trying to export everywhere, it seems.
And so I suggest to everybody on this book, on this group, if they get a chance to talk to Chinese, not in a nasty way, but just to ask them what is going on in China, and then they'll learn what they've got in store for us.
And it's not a pleasant world, because the people I was talking to, they realized that the questions I was asking were exposing them as pawns in the system of China, which they are.
So I did find my respect was going down for them. You can't help it, you know, and their self-respect was going down at the same time. I said, why do you go along with this?
Oh, well, we're taught from school to follow orders, you know, follow the, and it's all about the individuals subjugating to the society in which they live.
And of course, the thing is that the great leap forward was a brilliant demonstration of how stupid a system it is, because if you've got a whole country thinking in the same way, they all make the same mistakes.
Yeah.
Not allowed to think so. I just wonder what you think.
So, well, yeah, I guess your question really was, is how is it possible that a system such as communism, which utterly fails, and fails every time, how is it possible that it's not being recognized as a failure, and people will always go for it?
Well, why is China not criticized? I kind of have a theory at this point. If you go back, like, let's say the United States of the 70s or 80s, somewhere around there up until that point, it was absolutely unheard of that anyone, any US American citizen, would ever speak good about communism.
It was understood communism is the most evil thing you could think of. And there are these examples in history, which you already named.
So, but then something changed. When you look at the United States now, especially the universities, communism or socialism is once again appreciated all over. Look at Bernie Sanders.
I mean, gosh, he was praised, he was celebrated for his ideas. And when you speak to young people in the United States, well, the kind of questions they are being asked, they're sort of steering, but you will have to agree.
It would be better if people, you know, had pretty much the same all over, you know, yeah, who would say no, I don't want this, you know. And so basically, this communist idea, in the last 30 years, I will have to say, it was once again introduced as something that you should aspire to establish.
So maybe that's a reason why the Chinese system is not being criticized. And, you know, even look at Trudeau. I mean, he went as far as openly admiring it, you know, praising it for its efficiency, efficiency in getting things done.
So I don't know what is happening, but when you look at all of these things that are also mentioned, this is the ultimate goal. It is basically to establish a socialist communist society all over the world.
And, you know, just look around. You may have heard of what Solzhenitsyn once said, you know, a communist regime can be recognized by the way that its leniency towards criminals and how it and instead, political opponents are being criminalized.
And this is what we are seeing in our various societies. You know, you have Antifa, you know, they're throwing rocks, they're burning down cars, they're brutally attacking the opposition.
They're doing whatever the heck they want, and they're being called activists. So, but on the other hand, you know, please do not, you know, dare to go into a shoe store without having presented your COVID certificate.
You know, you might be locked up. Look in Canada with the truckers, you know. So, and I really don't know, but all of this, to me, it seems like they want to establish a communist regime because that gives them the means to, to drag people along.
Well, we just, we're just doing this so you will have it better. You know, you will have food, you will have housing. Yeah, we might have to take your house away, but we are only doing that so that everyone else can have a house too, you know.
So they're being fed these lines to make it all look nice and dandy. But at the same time, people do not realize what communism actually means. And at this point, my greatest help actually rests.
Just a couple of days ago, I was asked to deliver a video message to a party in Romania. They had their congress there. And I actually told them, it's like, you know, more than 30 years ago, it was your people, you know, that looked upon the Western democracies, and you look to us for help.
So your hopes to overcome this tyranny actually rested with us. And now it's the other way around. Now I am resting my hope with the peoples in the Eastern European countries that they will bail us out because they still remember what it was like to live in a communist totalitarian regime, especially the Romanians under Ceausescu.
It must have been the most horrible one ever. So they still know and they see the signs and they know that it's not important what you can read in the newspaper. The more important thing is what isn't there and what you can read between the lines.
So they see all of the mechanisms that were once applied in the communist regime and they realize this is where we're headed again. So sadly, I will have to say Western democracies, they're pretty much done for. I'm sorry, I have no hope anymore.
So, yes, I'm looking hopefully to the Eastern European countries to bail us out of this one.
Okay, wow. Wow, wow, wow. Now, Christine, while we're handling questions, if you follow the chat, lots of people are saying lovely things about you and you can save the chat as you know how, I presume.
So it's well worth saving and lovely feedback to you, thoughts, ideas and everybody, please suggestions for Christine, put them in the chat as well because that would be a useful tool for Christine in days to come.
Now, the communist people have lived under communism. There's some chat going on about freedom and I want, I want, you know, I urge all of you to think about this idea that have we have been seduced about which Christine is talking about, which is that the individual no longer matters.
All that matters is the collective. That's communism.
And, and if you just it's human imagination, human freedom that makes us human without imagination and freedom. We are no different to animals.
We are no different to animals. And that's, and that you think about that government's power, if you don't do the QR code, what's government's power is to lock you up.
In other words, to take away your freedom. That's its greatest power. And people give it away for this illusion of safety and security. And that's the question that we're all fighting about and what Christine's fighting about and be really clear about it.
You can choose to give away freedom for security. That's a quick. Are you willing to do that? That's the question. Christine, thank you for really articulating that well. I'm very interested in all the other possibilities. We've got lots of questions.
So let's go firstly to Dr. Katarina Lindley from Texas via Croatia.
Miss Anderson, thank you for everything you said now, because that's I almost felt like I'm listening to myself speak. I was born in Slavia. I lived there until I was 18. I lived under Tito and then came to the United States and now live the American dream, as we like to say it.
But you know everything that you brought up and the whole idea of individual rights and taking away the individualism for the better of beehive, as I like to call it, is exactly what's happening in the world right now.
So currently I'm on World Council for Health and Charles is there as well. I'm one of the steering committee members and we have a campaign. We wrote the first open letter on WHO treaty because like I said, it's almost like I heard myself speak the way you were talking about it as well.
So I have my question is I would love for you and Croatian members and Romanian member of the MEP if you guys would join us in this fight and then I would like you know you highlighted all the problems and I realized that solution is going to be hard because they have us so locked in into this.
But I'm hoping that there is still power in the people. So my question is really what are your thoughts on how do we truly fight back? Our idea is to we are going to rewrite our own treaty and ask the countries to actually withdraw from the United Nations and WHO because that's the only way of railroading this agenda.
But as you know, that's kind of being idealistic and the powers are not going to let us do that. So what are your ideas on how we go forward?
Well, that's a very good question. And as I indicated, as far as the Western democracies are concerned, I mean, I have no hope for them anymore, which does not mean that, you know, I sit back and just let it happen.
So basically, I'm doing what I can do is very clearly and sometimes even in drastic terms, lay out what is going to happen. Just try to get people to understand if they're telling you they're doing it for your health.
No, they're not. They're lining the pockets of pharmaceutical companies with, you know, a medication that doesn't even work, apparently, you know, so just getting people to understand they're being framed 24 seven, you know, and I urge them, you know, shut off your television set because it's not doing you any good, you know.
Then on the other hand, there is that I've also come to know is when you talk to people, sometimes they're just completely overwhelmed because you may not have caught them at a point or you you basically you were further along the line with all the arguments with all of the concepts that you had come to realize.
Because you may not have caught them at a point or you you basically you were further along the line with all the arguments with all of the concepts that you had come to realize, but they are not there at different, you know, point.
So, and if you talk to these people, you know, and tell them all the horrible things that are already happening, they will shut down. So it is much better to just, you know, ask a question.
Well, how would you feel about, you know, if the government told you tomorrow, which we now already experienced, you were no longer allowed to leave your house after 9pm.
Not even for taking a walk all by yourself, you know, on a on a completely deserted street. So, you know, and have them do the thinking. But at this point, I really have to say the only thing we can do is to get people to understand what is going on to basically rip off the band-aid and, you know, let them see.
Yeah, well, they're telling you this, but they're actually doing this. They're pretending to want to fight child pornography or whatever. But what they're actually want, they want to read everything you write to anyone at any given time.
So to just get people to understand, we need to sharpen their senses. And I would have never thought I had to say it is at one point. And to sharpen their senses that it really is freedom, democracy and the rule of law.
They were once fought for by our fathers and forefathers, and they spilled their blood over it to be able to give us this precious gift.
Just to get them to understand this has a value and we should not just, you know, throw it away because some government might have some different ideas of how they want to run our lives.
So we really need to get people back. We need to get them back to their senses basically and counteract these framings, these manipulations that are going on.
That's the only thing I can see at this point because whatever Parliament initiatives we are proposing here, we do not have the majority. So most of the time or all of the time, we really don't get anything through.
So we are a small minority in this Parliament. And so there is not a whole lot we can do right here, but we can talk to the people.
And like I said, yes, sometimes even in drastic terms, because people need to understand it is our very existence that we're talking about.
And I just want to say sorry, Charles. I do have lots of connections in the United States with physicians and different professions in the UK. And we have two steering members. One is from Germany. One is from Austria at the World Council for Health.
If you ever need anything, Radek has my information. And I know Ivan Cicic did that hearing recently. If you guys want to put anything like that again, let me know and be happy to work with you anytime.
Great. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Thank you, Kat. Everybody, please be aware. And it's proper. It's proper that this group every time we come together, because there are new people coming on board that what Kat raises of the WHO strategy for a new treaty that we are across it because this is even a greater existential threat.
So that bang, an executive order. And please remember what Vera Sharov shared with us on Sunday night that when Hitler came to power in 1933, he declared an emergency and thereafter until he died, allegedly, he ruled by executive order.
We and Christine, what you just said, freedom, democracy, rule of law. That's that's 800 years of tradition. And Christine, you said something else that we've been doing a lot of work here, just so you're aware Leonard Murphy, I hope you're going to talk about this when you get to your question.
The people are being deceived. And we've also said in this group, the only way forward is to get the people unified, but if they're deceived, then they won't be unified. And so our job in we're working on it.
Even last Sunday night, the the the in depth discussion was the cohort with whom to work is just a picture in your mind before we get to Gary is the 300 million injured. And one of our members is working on and the number of Glen Macco you're going to touch on.
That's a cohort 300 million people who go, Hey, hang on, we have been deceived. That's a pretty big start rather than a few MEPs. So bring it to your attention. But everybody, the people are being deceived and we've talked about it. And that really gives us our direction.
I think we're clear. We've said we know what needs to be done, and we're doing it. So don't don't despair. I think there is a way forward. Now, Gary Finkelstein.
Yeah, sure. Thanks, Josh. And thanks, Christine, for joining us. Christine, I just wanted to ask you, you, you, you expressed, I don't know, I'm going to say lack of hope for the way things are going forward with it sounds like with regards to civil liberties and freedoms in Western Europe.
I can I can understand why you feel that parts of Eastern Europe are, you know, leading the way forward. But what I wanted to ask you is, is that your sentiment for all of Western Europe? I assume it applies to Germany, Austria, probably France as well.
Does it also apply to is that your observation of feeling for us in the UK or Scandinavia where they've been dropping mandates? I can share with you anecdotes of how society here in the UK seems to be reacting at the moment.
You know, to me, it feels like with this lockdown in Shanghai, they trying the same trick again and trying to fear us. But nobody is fearful here. Well, not nobody, but not nothing like that. You know, when Wuhan went into lockdown, when they asked an auditorium full of parents to put their masks on the other night at my son's school, the only one in 10 parents did.
You know, so I think for for compulsory mandates to work, people have to obey. And I'm not convinced that all of our society in the UK are on board. And I get a sense that that's the case in parts of Northern Europe, Scandinavia. But what's your feeling about that is, is your negative sentiment all of Western Europe, or just the way you feel about it?
Actually, I wasn't in that context. I wasn't talking about Western Europe democracies. I was talking about Western democracies. And with that, I actually would count also in UK, of course, United States and Canada. And of course, the world is not a place for that.
And of course, the United States and Canada, and of course, the Western European countries. When I said, I did say, I mean, you know, they're basically done for what I meant by that is, I haven't, you know, completely ruled them out yet or, you know, given last, it's just I do not have any hope that a change will come from these
countries. Because the people that have been so brainwashed, you know, in all of Western democracies, and all of what we're seeing is, you know, what I talked about that, you know, fundamental rights are now considered privileges. And this shift that has taken place, and with all this other
gender madness and this whole, the whole agenda. And this is so deeply embedded, especially in the young people, you know, in the Western democracies. And so I do not expect that change is coming from these countries. But like I said, I really look to or look upon the Eastern European
countries, because they still remember, like I said, what, you know, totalitarian regimes is all are all about. So I do not want you to get the impression that, you know, I completely Yeah, that the Western democracies are completely lost. I just do not see any change coming out of these
countries in the near future. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Gary. Jeremy.
Thank you, Charles, and welcome, Christine, again to our group. It's an honor and privilege to have you join us. I'm not sure why this group puts up with me in particular because my past history is as a pharmaceutical representative.
For 34 years, but here I am. And I'm from Canada. So I was totally thrilled to see you slap down our useless Prime Minister recently. That was wonderful. My question is this, and forgive me if I missed it, but there is another side to the digital coin.
You talked about digital ID. My concern is the other specter on the horizon, which is digital currencies, particularly central bank digital currencies. Could you talk to us a little bit about that concept? And I'll leave it at that. Thank you.
Okay. Um, yes, I will have to admit I was rather skeptical about, you know, digital currency concept. It's probably because I'm just too traditional. And I, you know, like to see what I have. So in terms of, you know, the money in the bank account, that doesn't really, you know, I'd rather have it here or, you know, like some gold that I've got in my pocket.
I physically can touch and actually have physical control over. So I would love to admit that, you know, digital currency, I was very skeptical skeptical about this question. However, after having seen what happened in Ottawa and with the truckers, you know how the funder, the go fund me platform, it was just, you know, the funds were frozen.
And, you know, not only were the funds not refunded to the donators know they just, you know, kept it and, you know, put it in some other costs, whatever. That got me thinking that maybe this digital currency thing is not all that bad an idea after all, especially if it is structured in a way that the government does not have any control over.
And because this is the problem we're looking at with, you know, all the fiat money. Basically, it's private banks that have the right to print money and they're doing so. And the whole concept of that, the value of the money, of course, has to be backed with physical goods and used to be gold.
You know, there was called off in 74, I think it was the Prittenwoods thing. So now it's basically they're just printing money for the hell of it. The next step will be is, you know, to basically get rid of all of the cash that there will be no more cash money, thus allowing them, you know, to drop interest rates into the negative spectrum.
And they have a way to force people to spend their money because there is nothing left that you could keep a value with, you know. So, and thinking about all of this actually made me reconsider the digital currency, which I'm now actively doing.
I know they have tried to, it was just, I think it was two weeks ago. It was on my committee, but I have been made aware of that they were actually already trying to regulate and even forbid digital currency in the EU.
So in the committee, it was shut down. It did not get a majority vote, but they will not stop at this. They will try. And what they're trying to do next is to get it directly to plenary, to have it voted on there, because the majority in the plenary is different from what it is in that committee.
So they're not stopping at that. So, yeah, to answer your question, we need to strengthen the concept of digital currencies in whatever way this can be done. At this point, unfortunately, I still lack the appropriate knowledge in depth about this, that I could speak intelligently about, you know, the concept of digital currency as a digital currency.
As such, but the idea is very good and I will support this and I will try parliament to regulate it or get it under state control, whatever, forbid it even. I'm fighting against that too, yes.
I hope that answered your question.
Thank you. Thank you, Jeremy. Christine, if you write down the name Jerry Brady and cmnnews.org. Jerry is an expert in global finance rights for the top financiers on the planet. His knowledge of this issue, it's a resource that you have available to you if you want to get good education on, to be well informed on this whole question.
Let me repeat this real quick. There was Jerry Brady at cmnnews.org.
I got it. Okay. Thanks.
He's in Australia, retired doctor, but heavily involved with high levels of finance and the structuring of it. So like you, I don't understand all of the way that money flows, but he does. That's the point. Perhaps Michelle Shostakovsky does, but we'll get to him with his question a bit later on global research. Michelle, that's for you in a moment. Thank you, Jeremy. Leonard Murphy from the States.
Thanks.
Oh, thanks, Charles and Christine, thank you for standing in the breach. I wish we had more like you here in the United States.
Your talks have been inspiring. And since Charles, since you called me out earlier, I'll mention this really quickly. We've talked about being brainwashed and that is exactly what it is.
The good news is there are mechanisms to de-program and un-brainwash. It's simply a matter of scale. What's been done to us was really applied behavioral science at industrial scale.
And the mechanisms are clear. If we recognize the mechanisms of how it's done, it can't be undone. And that's my area of focus. But here's the question. So I'm also a conspiracy realist.
And it is obvious there is conspiracy. And here's really the question. Who's the head of the snake, Christine? So is it Claude Schwab? Is it the WF? Is it somebody else, something else?
And I use that term very purposely. What is your sense? Because if we can identify what's the source of the contagion, then we can better focus on how to eliminate the contagion while we deal with the lingering after effects.
So what do you think? What do you see and hearing and experiencing there in the you?
If I could only tell, I don't have the first clue. I'm very much down that it is a single person that is the head of the snake.
It is more like it's a group of people. But you already mentioned Claude Schwab. Yeah, he's certainly one of them.
So and to me, I'm not even quite clear on how this whatever group this is, you know, sometimes I call them the global finance elite, whatever, big business, you know, whatever.
I'm not even quite clear on how that group is organized, how it works, how it structures. I mean, is there actually a group of people that say like 10 sitting there, you know, pulling the strings?
Or is it more like, yeah, kind of like decentralized that everyone plays a certain part and only knows about his part pretty much everything, but does not necessarily know about what the other players are pulling off.
So somewhere all of these strings, of course, have to go together. So I do not see, you know, the political leaders, let's say our chancellor or, you know, or even the president of the United States.
They are not privy to this, you know, they only know a specific part, you know, and they have to play a certain role. They're not being told everything. They're puppets. They're nothing but puppets, you know, but to answer a question, I do not have a clue who these people actually are.
I really don't know. And I don't even, you know, I couldn't imagine the extent of their power reach, you know, because they're, I mean, they're pretty good at what they're doing. I have to admit that, you know.
Basically, you just kind of see what is what they're up to when you see what they're implementing, or when you when you see what they're, you know, the next thing they want us to do with the next agenda they're pushing, you know, and if you are able to look beyond that, you know, and like I said, always ask the question.
You know, and on top of that, I always ask the question, how could this be used to gain control over me? You know, and then you are able to see, oh, that's what they're up to. That's what they're trying to do, you know, but like I said, who these people are, I do not know.
Thank you.
Thank you, Leonard. Christine, we've had views expressed in these earlier meetings of clear views about who they are. So others, I'm sure will be sharing their thoughts on this and in the chat. That's why saving this chat will give you many clues.
So you will therefore have many clues as to who they are.
Okay.
Okay. So, and it's serious thinkers around these issues in this group so I'm sure you'll find those suggestions of value and anyone would be happy via Stephen to go deep with you on their views about any of these issues.
Okay, great. Thank you. Leonard. Glenn, over to you from the US.
Very nice to meet you.
I'm, I'm a retired software engineer.
So I'm not of the medical or the legal avenues. And as such, I try to think in terms of my representing a broad base of the public.
As part of a career cycle in IT and building electronic systems. I always think about how can we simplify problems, and then how do we multiply them in ways that can be extended across really large scopes of both quality and effectiveness.
My software got used worldwide in very large companies including Fratt & Whitney aircraft, GE, Boeing, US Air Force, as well as many, many others.
So, I understand you're saying the Westinghouse democracies are beyond hope.
And I see a reasonable probability that that's just absolutely true and where we may not be able to get out of that trap. But that doesn't mean we can't take a swag at it.
And so my, my theme has always been that all of the institutions are so completely captured. We have no chance except by pleading and engaging the public, and not just in a modest way but a super majority way.
So that's that's been my angle and my approach.
And, and where I've been working on aggressively lately.
Part of the problem, especially for the US is that we have not had anything that needed protesting.
I mean I grew up in the, in the 60s so I was very, I was in high school during, during the civil rights and the Vietnam War period. My lottery number happened to be number six.
So if, if I hadn't had a college deferment, and then the war ended before I graduated, I would have been on the front line to that war.
So, my question is around engaging the public in Europe has seen a lot more protesting. So there's two parts one is as part of the protesting that's occurred is there are there ways you, you felt that have been able to engage the public to get out there
and to be physically present because in the US, that just hasn't happened during any mass majority of everyone's lifetime. And then, secondarily, you did call out Eastern Europe, so I was wondering if there are particular groups or particular entities that we could focus on that we
could see what they're doing and try to follow that. Historically, the Polish Solidarity was such a you know a wonderful group and such an impact on the world. Are there are there any of those types of organization that we should be looking at and modeling ourselves after.
Okay, let me start with you said something that the United States or you in the United States you never really had anything to protest about.
And this pretty much holds true for Western Europe to, you know, I mean, if I look at Germany, basically, you know, up until the the 80s late 80s early 90s.
We were pretty much, it was all fine, you know, of course you had you had the left, they were protesting, you know, the nuclear weapons with the thing that the greens, they were opposing nuclear power, you know, so I mean these these left and green groups, they always had something to protest about it, but they always do everywhere, you know, but in the Western democracies, I honestly have to say,
up until the late 80s. We live in a democracy, you know,
if you turned on into this channel, you were presented this aspect. If you switch channel and the other news station, they presented it slightly different way. So you always have different aspects that you were presented, and you could actually draw your own conclusion from that, but that changed.
And that changed in Western Europe with the fall of, yeah, of the wall, you know, once the Soviet, the Soviet Union, it was bankrupt, it fell, you know, the Cold War was ended.
We then actually, there was a shift taking place, you know, and it was like, gosh, I was like, what has happened? And I didn't live in the early 90s, I didn't live in Germany. So I just, you know, got bits and pieces from here and there.
And when I returned, it was the 98, I was like, what happened to this country? I almost did not recognize it. So yes, we do have a lack of what I would call political engagement in the Western democracies, because it was was fairly okay.
And at some point, we just missed that the left and the green, they took over, you know, they're setting the agenda now. They're ruling in the universities, they are with this entire, you know, safe spaces, microaggressions, and you know, this calling out and whatever.
I mean, having having like professors, you know, being rad on, but because they might have said something that wasn't appropriate, all of this stuff, and it happened so quickly.
So and that led to the fact that in the Western democracies, we actually came to believe that freedom, democracy, and the rule of law is just a God given. It's just there, you know, and you don't have anything to do to defend it or to fight for it.
It's just there and it's always going to be there. So at some point, we lost the sense, oh, no, it's slipping away here. And this is where people I think are now getting at to realize it.
And then they lack, like you said, the ability to even know what does it mean to protest something, you know, how do I do this? How do I go about doing it? On top of all of that, is now that people are doing it, especially.
Yeah, they're doing it in Europe, especially with its COVID mandates, vaccination mandates, the whatever, the curfews and all of that. People actually took to the street.
And in Germany, they're still doing that. We say we're taking a walk. So basically, the demonstrations of protests are actually forbidden. If you believe it or not, they are. So the people said, well, you can't stop me from taking a walk.
And this is happening every Monday night, all over Germany in hundreds and hundreds of cities. You know, people just go for a walk. Of course, you know, in some cities you have two or three thousand people, you know, taking this walk.
So they try to and then what started, of course, they're now called Nazis, you know, they're right wing extremists and whatever you're not. So they're being discredited. That comes on top of all of that. And I know you have seen this during the Trump campaign.
You know, they were all Nazis, whatever. So people are being labeled. And this has been going on in Germany for quite some time now. I know when my party was founded, we started out with, you know, criticizing the euro and the EU.
So we were labeled, you know, we were Europe, enemies of Europe, you know, because Europe is this thing, you know, it provides peace and prosperity and all of these good things, you know.
So and if you're an enemy of that, you know, of course, you must be out of your mind. So we were labeled that. But that wasn't enough because people started realizing now with this EU and the euro, something is not right with this.
Then we were labeled Nazis, right wing extremists, Nazis. Now we are racist. We're whatever. So this is happening on top of all of that. Yeah. So keeping actually people that would like to join in the protests, they're staying away.
Then you have these violent outbursts. They're actually throwing rocks at people. I'm talking about antifa, you know, stuff like that. They threw a couple stone at me a couple of years back, you know, it hit me right here. I was bleeding like hell.
They don't they don't they don't care. In their mind, they're taking out a Nazi when they throw a rock at my head, you know, and they're thus being justified. You know, that's their their thinking.
But yeah, we need to get people we need people to understand that no, these values, they need to be defended every single day on an everyday basis. And yes, it does mean you need to get up. You need to leave your couch, you need to turn your TV off and you need to go to the street.
And yeah, it might not be, you know, that comfortable and it's sometimes it's not even funny. You might get sprayed at, you know, water cannon, whatever pepper sprayed all of these things happen. But well, freedom, it doesn't come for nothing. So you always have to pay some price for it.
And then I forgot the last part of your question.
Were there any areas any groups inside of Eastern Europe that that would be good models for us to follow?
Right. There actually are in every European country, there is what I would call a conservative party. Actually, in Poland, they're they're the government part of the government. They are in Hungary.
And then you have all of these other countries, they are smaller parties there, but they are growing. And but if you look at it, the large scale, they are a minority. That's the point. So there's now interesting groups forming in Romania.
Like I said, I was asked to speak at their Congress the other day. They are not here in the parliament yet, but I expect them to be elected into parliament, EU parliament, the next legislation.
And so there is, yeah, interesting allies, I will, I will say are forming right now. And what we're trying to accomplish is to, yeah, combine all of these conservative parties to, you know, form one big parliamentary group.
So let's have some more power when it comes to our voting.
Thank you very much. There's two points I'm taking away. One is your mentioning of Hungary, in that Tucker Carlson on Fox News has done several segments where he actually went there and interviewed both the people and the leaders.
The other is the taking a walk. That's so spectacular a mechanism to say I'm not out against anything. I'm just taking a walk. And in the spirit of Martin Luther King of being out in nonviolent activities, it fits perfectly. So thank you very much.
And plus it strengthens your immune system.
A lot of people here agree with you on that one.
Thank you, Glenn. Thank you, Glenn. And interesting thought in terms of, come back to this, Christine, I'm reading a theme from this conversation that people are deceived. So that the combination, Glenn, of the conservative parties, which is what's happening in Australia, rather than calling the minor parties, let's call them the
new emerging parties. If we unite them with consistent powerful messages, then that can certainly work so that we underseem the people and then geniuses like Leonard Murphy that we have here in terms of messaging and other messaging experts to underseem people.
It requires pattern interrupt. And if you have the wrong message, it doesn't cut through, but the right message does cut through. So, Glenn, that's a good idea. And we've got excellent connections into Hungary and Poland.
And if we want to understand, Kat here with Croatia, the Visegrad 4 plus Croatia in the center of Europe is 65 million plus Croatia, 70 million people in the heart of Europe, essentially conservative.
Now that's a big number, everybody. Don't, that's Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, then you've got Croatia, Slovenia, now Romania. Wow, Christine, we're really, you know, it's starting to look a series of people.
You have Bosnian parliament that actually is the only parliament that voted on banning the vaccines for their people. So Bosnia is also very, very important.
Excellent. Excellent. So that's we're now getting up to 80 million people in the heart of Europe, everybody. Useful to remember. Okay. Thank you. Michelle Shostakovsky from Canada via where? La Valle France or wherever. Michelle, over to you.
Thank you very much. I'm actually in Montreal. And I'll just give you a view. This is from my office downtown. So and I wanted to thank.
I enjoyed that. Yeah, I want to thank Christine, because you have made a tremendous impact throughout Canada. But you have also been the object of censorship by the mainstream Canadian media.
There was only one report which acknowledged the statements made in response to Trudeau's so-called address.
And but on on social media and on our website, globalresearch.ca, we had tens of thousands of views that people and it is an object of debate and it has contributed very much to to the struggle in support of the freedom convoy.
Now, I just wanted to make a couple of observations regarding this whole issue of well, first of all, the economic dimension behind or the economic, the economic interest behind this agenda of of tyranny and and digitized ID and so on so forth.
I don't think we can lay we can understand this in terms of individuals. It's a much broader process. It's very powerful financial interests.
There are the portfolio investment firms. Of course, there's the US Federal Reserve and so on so forth. But there are three major portfolio investment firms which are BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, which have a leverage.
And when I say leverage, that means that the capacity to to extend financial operations, which is in excess of the GDP of the planet.
It's in the trillions. Okay. So that is very important. Now, people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are personalities, they're instruments as well.
You have very powerful financial families. In other words, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and so on so forth.
And and then you have and you also have the WHO, which is controlled. Well, you have the whole apparatus, but the WHO is controlled is controlled by the by the Rockefellers and Bill Gates Foundation and so on so forth.
Now, there are two there are two initiatives which are ongoing, which are very much linked up to this powerful financial project.
One is the is the QR verification code at the global level. In other words, 193 countries, member states of the UN, which to establish a digitized data bank, which would also be integrated into digital currency, personal, you know, secure.
And in other words, your whole private life would be in there. And of course, your medical records and so on. And this in a sense would be controlled ultimately by this this global financial establishment.
The late Rockefeller talked about global governance and he said very explicitly and he wasn't a communist. Okay. He said very explicitly global governance is an alliance between bankers and intellectuals, selected intellectuals.
And it is much more efficient and effective than elected governments. So that is a statement of tyranny. It is there.
And and I think it's very important. We understand that this this is not necessarily capitalism as we know it, because there's another face to capitalism, which is the victim of this financial establishment.
And that's real capitalism. In other words, it's the corporations. It's a small and medium sized enterprises in the United States will call it mainstream mainstream America.
I've written a book on this whole crisis, which is coming out in Japanese. The English edition is not yet forthcoming. But the whole issue is the fact that what has happened in the last two years with the Kobe 19 crisis, the mandates, the lockdowns are there essentially.
The mandates, the lockdowns are there essentially to destabilize what we might call the real economy, the real as well as civil society and establish tyranny.
Now, my dearest friend, Stephen Frost, whom I've known for for almost 20 years, referred to China. And I think we have to understand something. China is not a communist country. It is a capitalist country.
Okay, now I've worked on China's for a large part of my career. I know the country. I've been in all major regions, and they are very much integrated into this project.
They are the big pharma in China is linked up to big pharma in America and Britain and so on. And and I think we have to distinguish the hit. We have to view the history.
And in fact, China is a capitalist country starting in the 1980s. Okay, it was that it was a capitalist process. And the so called communists were displaced and undermined. I won't get into that.
I've written a book on on on capitalist restoration, which was published by Macmillan in the in 1986. That's a long time ago. It was in another life. But everybody at the time was saying you're absolutely crazy.
But it's pretty obvious you go to China today. You can see the oligarchs all over the place. And what you don't and and one of the reasons that they have the social credit is there to control their labor force.
And that labor force are the seasonal workers coming from from the villages to work in the cities. They impoverished. It's not for nothing that is called a cheap labor economy. It's nothing to do with communism or socialism. That era has gone.
And I think Michelle, Michelle, could you just give Christine a context for your global research foundation and the work that you do? Because you you didn't mention your wonderful newsletter and website that might be a resource for Christine.
Yeah, OK. Well, what I'll do, I think I'm going to send to Christine right now to everybody. My my the the draft of my book, as well as a more recent article. And I can say I've been working on this for for for two years or more than two years.
There has never been a pandemic. And I can prove it. There has never been a pandemic. The data bank is totally fabricated. And then when when well, I'll give you the Canadian case.
We had 125 cases on the 11th of March. That doesn't justify calling closing down the economy. Germany has something of the order of 2000 cases on the 11th of March. The United States has something of the order of 2000 cases doesn't justify closing down planet Earth.
Now that there's an economic agenda behind that. You got to I think we have to understand who who is behind this project. And then it's very complex. It's linked up into into intelligence agencies, big pharma, the military, industrial complex, and so on, so forth.
So that's where we are. And I think I think the European Parliament has to play a very historical role right now because we we have the information and we have the data to reverse the tide.
When 44,279 cases worldwide out of China was used as a pretext to close down the planet. Okay. Yeah. And I have all the data and I'm going to send it to you now. But I can say throughout Canada, what you your statements were recorded everywhere.
And except in the corporate media, and that's because they're they're liars. But it was it was viral on our on our website. So again, thanks. And I would like to stay in contact as far as sending you documents and so on.
So that the European Parliament, the voice of European Parliament is there to counteract these these these devastating measures. And I think the QR code plus the pandemic treaty, there's a pandemic treaty which for 190 countries when there was no pandemic, there is no pandemic.
That has a lot to do with the PCR test. Now the PCR test.
It has everything to do with the PCR test.
Well, if we didn't have a pandemic.
They created the pandemic with the rollout PCR tests.
Absolutely.
Have you ever heard of such a thing that I mean, people actually stood in line at some test center to find out if they are sick. How ridiculous is that? You know, so there's a couple of things I would like to comment on.
I, I agree with you know, most of what you said, that was right on. And yes, I absolutely agree with you. The COVID crisis or this pandemic.
It was it was abused. It was used to, yeah, to to do two things.
First, to get people or to see how far they could go in terms of making people stay at home, telling them what to do, taking away fundamental rights, you know, so basically they just wanted to see how far can we actually go?
What will people tolerate, you know, if we tell them it's for your health.
The other thing and you're very right about that one too is yes, they purposely destabilized the world's world economies all over, you know, shutting it down.
Basically, yeah, it just came to a halt. And now you need a lot of public money, of course, you know, to help them back, you know, on their feet and all of this.
So yeah, this this this economic disaster, it was basically that was that was the goal. And, you know, basically never let a good crisis go to waste.
I'm sure you've heard of that, you know, so they created a crisis, which they of course now have to counteract.
And lo and behold, their solution is, as you said, global government governance, because the individual national states, they cannot deal with this, you know, crisis of such a magnitude.
So yeah, we will need global governance. So that's basically where it leads into.
Something else you mentioned is about the labor force. The social Chinese credit system is basically, you know, controlling the labor force.
And there's actually another aspect to that. I'm pretty sure you all remember it's still going on, basically, the so-called refugee crisis, you know, that it is that it Germany pretty hard or Western Europe pretty hard in 2015.
I mean, there were millions and millions of refugees, so-called refugees, pouring in to Europe.
And even back then, I said, this is just another way of privatizing profits and socializing losses.
Because what happened? Of course, we were being told that these, you know, young men that were coming there, they are well-educated, you know, they will be, you know, a gain for any economy, and they will once pay our rent once we're old, you know.
So this is what we were being told. Well, not quite. And what happened was, yeah, there were a few well-educated people among them, you know, and those were the ones that the industry, the big businesses, you know, they picked them out, paid them half of what they would have had to pay a German worker or a French worker or whatever.
So, you know, cutting down the cost on that. And 99% of the ones coming, they were being subsidized by our welfare system, you know.
So once again, yeah, this refugee crisis, they will basically look upon as, you know, some people we can put to work, you know, at a lesser price, and the rest of them, well, we have, you know, the welfare system deal with that being the taxpayer.
So yeah, this is going on all over the place.
Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, Michelle. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. Okay, now, as a global research foundation, if you want to bring that to your attention, Michelle's great work is an excellent newsletter, wonderful information. Now we have Simon de Wolf Christine from Australia via Belgium.
Thank you, Christine, for a great, great talk and the talks I've seen before.
Brussels is still 5G free, isn't it? Where you are.
I'm sorry, it's still what?
Brussels is still 5G free, I thought.
There is nothing, it's all gone. It's all lifted.
5G, well, yeah, I thought they kept it out of there.
No, that's the absurd thing. In the parliament, we still have it.
So, I mean, they're all running around with masks and everything. We have to show a QR code when we walk into the parliament.
But when we leave parliament, we go across the street, and then we sit, you know, all, you know, with hundreds of people in a restaurant or a bar and have a drink. It's that absurd.
But no, in Belgium, all of the restrictions there have all been lifted. There's nothing going on here.
Now, two things I had. The first one was in 2001, I think it's still going on.
We started a conference in the parliament, which is called the EIS, the European Innovation Summit.
It was very surprisingly easy to actually start a conference in the parliament.
And we got a very well and a big uptake from a lot of the MEPs.
I was wondering, maybe it's time to do that again now, but in the topic of freedom and this whole area.
And if I can help anyway for that, that really happy to do so.
The second thing I was wondering, since I am from Belgium, and I think it's a country probably set up at the time as a base to create Europe, as you know, we've been from Belgium to Berlin to Benelux, and then they just added countries.
I'm always wondering, isn't Europe set up for this? Isn't that why we had Europe? I mean, we lost all the sovereignty with it.
We now have a possibility to create a digital idea. What could we do in this whole agenda without Europe?
So you could almost think that Europe was actually planned for creating all this or making all this possible.
Because also, if you look in the research into their graphene, into their cup, into their agricultural and all the powers they have created,
it basically took away country by country sovereignty and brought us into a completely dependent system, which doesn't do any much good.
And if Greece tried one time, they tried to get out and they tried to organize a referendum.
And they said, oh, you can't have referendum. I think it was a Belgian head of the European communism.
I mean,
you're breaking up referendum. It's like now the Germans say you can't protest. Yeah, sorry.
That's the question. No, no, no, you're just breaking up Simon. So that Christine missed some of your last piece of your comments.
When there's a Belgian president of the European community or European Parliament, you got to.
Oh, yes. Just saying that when when Greece, with all the trouble, tried to get out of Europe and they tried to organize a
I mean, freedom, yes, but not a referendum. We can't have a referendum. So so they actually stopped
the people to have a referendum, you know, crazy.
So, yeah, my question is, is there a thought that actually European Commission is part of the creation of it is part of this whole agenda and therefore, you know,
it's very difficult. Right. So in the beginning, I got a little confused because you kept saying, wasn't Europe built to do all this?
But I think you meant EU. I very strictly differentiate. I mean, I love Europe, but I hate the EU.
You know, there is a difference because Europe is much bigger.
What you probably meant with the EU institutions like the European Parliament, EU Commission and, you know, right.
Right. Right. Like I said, they were they are the very means to abolish everything that we once considered democracy, you know, free nations, the sovereignty of the nations.
And yes, these institutions, they are specifically were built to undermine all of this. And it's still going on.
You know, like now what they're doing when there is not a single plenary session where we do not speak about said Article 144, which actually does
is debates on human rights violations or democracy and the rule of law. What I suggest the Trudeau should have spoken according to.
And they're doing this with Poland the entire time now and with Hungary the entire time.
So they're accusing them that they are abolishing democracy just because these countries specifically say no.
We the national parliament that we elected, they're going to be the ones that have the last word in anything, you know.
You know, so they're being, yeah, basically tried and now they are being threatened that they that the funds are being pulled from the EU because these countries,
sovereign countries will not adhere to the dictate of the EU. And this is happening all over.
When you were talking about Greece, that was, you know, when the whole euro crisis hit and whatever.
And, you know, back then I said, had they allowed for Greece to leave the euro, you know, yeah, they would have had a tough for like what two, three, four years maybe.
And they would have been would have been done with it and they would actually laugh about the detriment they considered themselves to be in back then.
Now it's even worse. Their debt is it has exploded. Yeah, they will not they were not allowed to leave, you know, and we're seeing the same with Ukraine, by the way, right now.
It is I mean, you know, to say it is Putin, you know, attacking another country with military force.
This is an absolute no go and that that I cannot tolerate and I will never tolerate.
But and this is the point. The EU did pretty much just about everything to get to this point.
You know, we remember back then it was November 2013, I believe, on the Maidan.
And what had happened? Well, the Ukrainian government just a couple of days before had said we will no longer pursue, you know, the negotiations with the EU to become a member of EU.
That's what had happened. And that would lead to to all of these events.
And the first thing they did now is once Putin did attack Ukraine, they suggested, well, now we need to get Ukraine as soon as possible into the EU.
You know, that's fueling this conflict, you know.
So, yeah, you is doing everything to expand its powers, you know, to get more and more countries within its reach to only then dictate to them, you know, how they have to live their lives.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Simon, Christine, you're doing well.
We've got some great questions and great discussions. So and keep saving your chat.
We'll get you the chat as well. But but there's some great comments in there. Now, Mike, which Mike are you?
There are many mics. Hi, I'm I'm the mic that Jeremy introduced earlier.
Welcome. Welcome. Thank you.
I've been privy to some of these calls already from from the sidelines with Jeremy joining joining him.
But today I'm on my own. Thank you, Christine, for joining today. I'm a big fan as well.
I've watched a couple of your speeches and it's wonderful to hear somebody championing our side the way that you have done.
And so I guess bravely in the face of what you're up against.
I have a couple of comments and then I'll just make a couple of questions here.
I think they're simple questions, but I I've heard the same thing in many of our discussions.
And you're not alone as if people are feeling somewhat overwhelmed in the position that particularly that you are in resistance.
And I might offer that I think everyone's aware now that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes that is actually evident.
And I might add that my personal feeling is that this is basically the execution of a global coup d'etat.
I just wanted to give you some context around that because you're relatively new in the parliamentary system.
But I would say that we're in year three of a 10 year coup d'etat.
So things are marching along and there's a lot of irons in the fire at once.
And it's hard to address any one thing at any one time.
This coup has been making for hundreds of years.
So it's no wonder that you're feeling a little bit overwhelmed.
And to that point, I'm here in Canada.
We just had sort of a coalition announced of sorts with your friend Trudeau merging up with the NDP.
And I consider that sort of, you know, another minor coup.
And it seems to be playing out in Europe as well, where these coalition governments are sort of taking over power of the independent Western countries.
We're losing national identity through immigration with millions and millions of people.
And I think you and Germany have experienced that firsthand very early on.
We see a devaluing of money with running up with debt and our national newspaper here.
I think we had one holdout in Canada.
It was called the National Post and it was the conservative arm, if you would, and it was outside of the mainstream liberal media.
That was taken over a few years ago by the Council on a member of the Council of Foreign Relations, basically out of the United States.
And with that, they basically have complete monopoly over all printed word that goes on in Canada.
I expect that something similar going on in Germany as well.
In fact, that's one of my questions.
But before I ask you that question, I wanted to also ask you whether you are aware and had given any consideration to the fact that
one of the Habsburg descendants now is taken over in Austria because what I'm seeing is major European leaders are starting to emerge and they seem to have royal descent from us, from, you know, some of the great houses of Europe.
Certainly the Habsburgs are one with Vienna.
And I think even the president of the EU, Ursula von der Leyen is the president.
She too has ties in by marriage to the von der Leyen clan, which again goes back a couple, two, three hundred years.
Are you aware of, first of all, some of the lineages of some of those European leaderships and some of those great houses of Europe?
Because I would argue that when we talk about the head of the snake, we might very well be pointing to the very great houses of Europe that have survived through the centuries, through the millennia.
And in fact, the Habsburgs are a perfect example of that.
So I would first ask you that and then whether or not you have any independent media of any strength, say what would be Fox News is to the United States.
Thanks.
OK, let me start with your with your the latter part of your question.
No, unfortunately, we do not have any any notable or big enough media outlets that actually support our our politics.
So we solely rely on social media and the Internet to get our messages across.
And I wish we had some kind of a station like Fox News over here, but we don't.
Well, we have the special system over here.
We call it the öffentlich-rechtliche Rundfunk.
It's basically these are state media and they were actually put into place to educate the citizen on, you know, democracy and, you know, fundamental rights and all of that.
So they're actually obligate or should be obligated to objectively report what's going on in the world.
But they have long gone, you know, said goodbye to this.
They're now indoctrinating people.
It's pretty much what's going on in pretty much all of the Western democracies with the mainstream media.
So when you're talking about, you know, that some of the great houses of Europe, you know, will now return to to to leadership, you know, but to be quite frank, I I wouldn't actually be that, you know, opposed to that.
Because living in Europe, they have been, you know, basically, yeah, had to abdicate or whatever, you know, some of them still have their titles.
They have, yeah, some money, too, of course.
But there is a bunch of them.
They they don't have any money left.
So it would not be an accurate description to to to look at them at these, you know, aristocrats that will now, you know, once again, reestablish an aristocratic world.
And I don't see that happening.
They have been basically living a rather everyday life, you know, like the average Joe.
Most of them anyways.
So I actually would not want to put them into the same pot, you know, with all of the global finance, you know, what is going on now.
Now, these are completely a different.
There's a completely different ballgame, you know, at the level they are playing at.
So I do not consider them to be a threat to democracy.
And I do not by no no stretch of imagination.
Do I see any of them, you know, being able to rebuild basically this aristocratic world?
I really don't.
OK, just one question.
I'm not surprised with the way Western Europe's going to to hear you say that there's really no Fox News equivalent or no alternative media source.
I might I might suggest that with the little miniature coup d'etat that we have going on right now in Canada with Trudeau and Singh aligning themselves in a coalition that they're able to do so in the absence or the vacuum of the
And so I think that's probably one of the greatest challenges because we're marginalized to the sidelines right now with these sorts of things, which we've seen in the last couple of years.
And there's no real mainstream resistance.
And I think that's one of the reasons why the United States has been able to hold their own against this is the way in which the United States has been able to hold its own against the
I think that's one of the reasons why the United States has been able to hold their own against this
is the presence of Fox News and when that goes away they too will be right for the picking.
So if there's anything that you can do as a politician to help facilitate that,
that might be something worthwhile because I think that's our military defense these days
is the control of minds and the only way that you can do that is through the media.
Yeah, I absolutely agree but like I said unfortunately we are a far cry from
being able to pull that off because especially in Germany it's really bad,
you know being called Nazi and all that, it still works. Unfortunately it is like that so
but we're working on it.
Thank you Mike. Interesting question, someone might know but in Australia certainly with this
question of mainstream media, I have followed this for many years, in Australia and in the
Western world the consumption of mainstream media is rapidly dropping and that's why the
US government according to Children's Health Defense has paid a billion dollars to mainstream
media to keep the narrative going everybody. They cannot survive financially because eyeballs
have gone, where? To all the alternate media but it's scattered so I assume about 30% of people
primarily get their information from mainstream media, that's why coming back to the theme the
people are deceived, they don't know what to believe because they're confused. Our job in
this group and Glenn's work and Gerry's work, let's get a consistent message around what we're
talking about, freedom, three words, freedom and Chris Dankiss talking about it, freedom, democracy,
rule of law. Also tied into that is sovereignty and the comment was made in the chat, hey how come UK
was allowed to eat Brexit? Well they weren't allowed, that was a big surprise. That was a big oops
that happened there with the Brexit. That was a major oops and they tried everything, I mean the
referendum you know it went how it went and they did everything to discredit that. They called for
another referendum you know and then it was like and then they were trying here, they were
actively trying to prevent the UK from leaving with everything they got but Nigel Farage
mainstream media, mainstream media without government supporting staff everybody. It's the
unsustainable business model so just bear that in mind. Here's Vlad who's an alternative media
man from Canada. Vlad please tell Christine some of the interesting work you do before you ask
your question. Actually thank you very much, I'd be delighted for two reasons, one is selfish. I
would dearly like to do an interview with you for Rare Foundation. As it happens I'm just proofreading
a 5,000 word article which is centers around what you said to Trudeau in the European Parliament.
That's how much we appreciate it and I'd like to say that we appreciate it because I mean I live
in Ottawa and I was at the trucker protest on about 10 different occasions reporting and just
because I loved it there and also I've got to say Trudeau has made criticism of himself practically
on the practical level illegal and it will be illegal in the legislative sense. I don't think
we really operate under rule of law anymore, we're operating under this weird fiat where
essentially you're destroyed if you're counter-revolutionary and you're encouraged
if you're revolutionary irrespective of whatever the law may be and we see that on Parliament Hill.
If you criticize Trudeau that the Parliament Hill police come up with new rules but you can actually
call for the death of Vladimir Putin and that's okay. So it's all by fiat and so it's so important
what you said about Trudeau. Thank you for that. Now in terms of getting a solution to the problem
of reaching people and allowing people to wake up and communicate with each other,
I wasn't you know the gentleman here know what I'm talking about. I've been actively pushing for a
system to be implemented of what's called distributed social media and what's happened
since I first started talking about it is the country of Brazil under Jair Bolsonaro actually
implemented this idea on a national level and so I want to say if you'll permit me I'll take a minute
to explain it because I genuinely think that you have a potential solution to an enormous problem.
So distributed media distributed social media is where a family might have an instance of this
thing called mastodon right. It could be a family or it could be a neighborhood or it could be a
business or whatever an activist and what happens is you it basically when you put mastodon up
it works very much like Twitter. I have one I can send you an invite you can play around online
but it works pretty much like Twitter. It's a little better in lots of ways and what you do is
you federate it with other peoples. So what Jair Bolsonaro did in Brazil and that I don't know how
much you know about him and the problems he faces he was literally stabbed by a far leftist extremist
when he was running. It nearly killed him and he was elected and he's very popular but the media
and the judiciary in Brazil are far far left and they're doing all kinds of illegal and dishonest
methods to try to get rid of them and he had the same problem so he implemented this thing of social
of distributed social media which can't really be taken down. It's not centrally controlled
because each of us would own or our own instance of it or you might have one and you're well known
so a couple hundred people join yours but then you federate it with somebody else's that's got 20
and now you can't take it down and it's not running off AWS lines it's not running off
central trunks. It's a real distributed internet social media the way the internet was initially
designed to be actually right. So if you want to talk about this later I have technical people that
would be happy to show you and even assist you on setting this up in whatever jurisdiction for real.
So my questions are two. One is could we please do an interview for the people that I work for in the
States. I'd just be so it would be so amazing and the second thing is in France I am following
the rallies and the support for a fellow named Eric Samour and actually we've been following
him for years and I got to say the energy is very much like when Trump was first running for office
the first time. We're seeing genuine French patriots and Republicans in the true sense.
They're coming out in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in giant rallies. They're
supporting Samour and he's got a libertarian message and a message of France. Do you not think that
that may represent the tip of the spear of taking back our basic liberal democracies?
Yeah and first of all yes I'd you know be happy to come on to do an interview with you. You just
you know tell me when and where and yeah we get that figured out. Yeah your question as far as
Samour is concerned. Yeah I he is he is someone you know he doesn't kid around and he you know
just says it how it is you know and with him I also have a feeling that when he's posed the question
that you know other politicians they would go oh my god what am I going to answer you know because
I'm going to be so and he just says yeah that's the way I see it you know there was this one
question he was posed he was actually asked by an immigrant was a public debate and he was asked by
this this immigrant. So in other words what you're saying when you get elected then people like me
will no longer be allowed into the country you know. Now this is a pretty tricky question you
know and I just imagine if a German politician had been asked that question gosh he probably
would just drop dead you know on the spot and he just stood there and said yes that's what that
means you know point blank you know so and yeah that's actually and yeah it did remind me of
Trump you know he just didn't get around either. The problem however is the following is once again
we now in France what we have is a division you know of you know basically the the conservative
part you know of the spectrum because you have on the one hand the the the Rassemblement National
and then Seymour popped up you know so well what can I say that's unfortunate you know
and the reasons for it yeah I I have a pretty good idea what the reasons might be
you know they're going to be voting on it I think it's one another couple of weeks or something like
that so I wish they would have found a way to just you know combine the forces you know
and not run against each other but that's what they're doing now and unfortunately that keeps
happening you know within the conservative part of the spectrum is there's always someone you know
who thinks no I can't do it better or for whatever reason you know and then just you know has his own
party and thus dividing you know the little power that would have been able to to generate there
so yeah that's unfortunate but we'll see how it goes with Marine Le Pen she is actually you know
picking up on Macron I mean a couple of weeks ago it looked like whoa Macron is going to hit this
right off the top might be the landslide victory well it's now adjusting so he's dropping she's
gaining Seymour on the other hand he has dropped significantly you know so but there once again
very unfortunate that this yeah that they were divided yeah
yeah thank you thank you Vled thank you thank you Vled you're muted oh thanks yeah so thank
you very much for that answer and if you can drop me an email or somebody to contact you we'll
hopefully set up an interview for very very soon okay okay okay how would I get your email address
sorry I'll organize it with Vled and you we'll get okay okay thanks Vled email address no dramas
okay now we have from the UK Christine Anna de Buissere, lawyer with a French sounding
name from the UK how about that hello Christine and I echo what many others have said you're an
absolute legend and you've personally given me a huge hope when I heard you speak out with the
other brave MEPs you know it really gave me hope because so few politicians have actually spoken
out at all let alone with the vigor and the accuracy and you know the tenacity that you're
speaking out so first of all thank you secondly my as a child said I'm a lawyer and I'm also an
army officer and so when I look at this situation I go straight back to 1930s 40s Germany and I also
look at the Nuremberg trials and I see so many parallels that it's absolutely horrifying now one
of the questions is how do we move forward and I wanted to ask you a couple of questions before I
you know make some suggestions that has come out of my evidence gathering in the UK
and the first is is law taught at school routinely throughout Europe that you're aware of
I'm sorry is what what is law is law taught at school in European countries
okay first of all let me uh yeah answer the question first no law is not a regular curriculum
in the schools um so basically what they kind of are doing you know is um they of course talk about
fundamental rights and you know and democracy and all of this but at least they used to uh what
they're doing now is you know talking about this but they're framing it already you know so uh they
they wouldn't nowadays they would no longer say you know freedom of movement or freedom of speech
are fundamental rights no matter what nowadays it is uh yeah of course there is freedom of speech
it is uh yeah of course there is freedom of speech you can say whatever you want but you know
you cannot offend anyone you cannot blah blah blah and you know so that's that's basically the
point but law in general is not taught uh in the regular schools now um let me just quickly comment
on something you said uh you said you did the parallels to to nazi germany basically they were
so obvious i mean you know they were so apparent and and here's the thing if i were to say like
let's say on on some kind of a party rally or you know in an election campaign or whatever if i were
to say that i mean look at this and this and this this is exactly what happened in nazi germany you
know the ostracizing of unvaxxed people for instance what happened in germany that's what
they did back then with the jews you know if i were to say that i would have the secret state police
all over me because by comparing this i am trivializing nazi germany and that is a crime
in germany it's in our penal code it says you are under the penalty of law you are not allowed to
trivialize nazi germany and by simply stating that it started like that back then and that's
what we're seeing now i'm doing just that in their mind i'm trivializing the horrors
uh basically i'm denying the horrors that went on in nazi germany by comparing it to
anything going on in germany right now this is it is that absurd so i can't even do that
you know and it's not nearly obvious the parallels yeah i i totally agree and we're
having similar issues here that you know anytime you raise that kind of issue people accuse you
of holocaust denial etc but the way the way i'm personally dealing with that issue is to cite
from the judgments of the nuremberg trials because as a lawyer i'm perfectly entitled to cite
binding international criminal case law right and so when i was challenged at one of the speeches
in fact by a jewish lady who was upset by me citing nuremberg and she said you know you
shouldn't be doing this etc etc and i actually said to her well two things first of all i come
from two military families who fought in both world wars one of whom was caught in a prisoner
of war camp and who escaped and then went back to fight to release the other prisoners of war
from the other prisoners of war camp so it wasn't just the jewish people of course it was you know
i i learned today that 11 million people were killed who were non-jewish
six million so you know it's exactly exactly so that's the way i personally deal with it so i do
recommend that for others citing the on a note of that and it's also very interesting whenever
a people has overcome tyranny or dictatorship the people that have overcome it and have
endured it they are always seen as the victim of a tyrant or a victim of a dictator or a victim of
this totalitarian dispute or whatever there's only one exception in the entire world
and that's the german people the entire german people are perpetrators
yes well yeah well i was going to i mean it's a sensitive topic obviously but where i'm coming
from when i analyze this situation is this you know with my military head on the there were
you know war conventions already at the you know in 1930s 19 they were largely ignored and obviously
as we now know that there were crimes that were not defined before the 40s such as crimes against
humanity that have subsequently been incorporated in the geneva conventions and the rome statute
etc now part of all of that was a statement saying that you know every state has a duty
to uphold human rights and to prevent human rights breaches and of course the grave breaches
the geneva conventions include conducting medical treatment without consent as was conducted on the
prisoners of war etc and hence the nuremberg trials so what is doing my head in and what i can't simply
cannot understand particularly with the germans is why you have a situation now where the german
authorities think they have the right to mandate an experimental medical treatment ursula vandalian
saying we should open a debate on man and i'm thinking did they learn nothing from the nuremberg
trials has the grave breaches of the geneva convention meant nothing have all the warfare
conventions on bio weapons and bio warfare meant nothing and then of course my due diligence has
shown that here we haven't been taught school for generations it's come across you know various
places around the world that around the world people haven't been taught law at school for
generations so if they're not taught law at school and they don't study the nuremberg trials let alone
the geneva conventions and what amounts to a prohibited act of unlawful warfare what hope have
any of us got because it's all very well saying we have a rule of law and we need to assert our
rights and we need to uphold the law but if actually nobody knows what it is no everyone's
running around like clueless chickens and i'll just say one more thing because this has really
got my goat as you can tell i'm on a bit of a rant i can relate to a new rant christine i don't know
i feel so strongly about this what what i don't understand then therefore is how the military for
example are injecting each other and forcing each other to be injected and yet for in the uk the
ministry of defense own manual on the law of armed conflict chapter 7 paragraph 7.5 specifically
states that giving medical treatment without consent freely given is a prohibited act of
unlawful warfare and amounts to a great breach of the geneva convention and yet you ask any soldier
or any policeman in the uk whether they've even read that manual and they'll tell you they haven't
they haven't even seen it if you hand it to them and ask them to look up the relevant bit of law
they they don't even open it they can't find it let alone read it once it's right in front of them
and yet we have all the human rights legislation saying that the state has a duty
they must teach human rights etc so i just don't understand what's been happening for generations
can you enlighten me please
well to be honest i wish i could but i might have a couple of ideas well what's happened i mean
yeah these things are taught in school you know human rights and and yeah everyone knows of course
you cannot force be forced to receive a medical procedure if you did not consent informed consent
so but that when it gets blurry you know because most people don't know what exactly is informed
consent you know basically when you have a surgery done or whatever they have these talks you know
but it's it's you know just you know they rattle it down and they actually they are not really
educating you about the procedure you know so they're just checking off the boxes you know
did my job she was here listened to what i had to say probably didn't understand whatever i said
but it doesn't matter but then now we're at this point yeah how can people actually consider a you
know mandatory vaccine which germany is still talking about the bundestag is still pushing
for this um but that's when the framing comes in you know when you talk about the nuremberg code
i mean even mentioning the nuremberg code you know uh the people you have lost them then look at you
oh she's talking about nazi germany she must be trivializing it whatever they won't listen so you
cannot even say nuremberg code at least i can't you know without people you know screaming at me
nazi or whatever um so it's uh yeah how can they not know so well what they're seeing is actually
what happened uh with these medical experimental medical procedures back then you know the
circumstances were different and we're talking concentration camps you know and the whole the
whole shebang that the horror and all of it so and now they're seeing well all they have to do is go
to a doctor's office you know and he's going to give you a jab so they don't you know get these
two concepts together as being one concept you know so there's lots of people in germany that
only got vaccinated because they no longer wanted to be ostracized stigmatized uh you know whatever
people were threatened they would lose their jobs you know i mean all of this happened so there's a
lot of people that just went to get the jab you know uh to be done with it basically uh now they're
thinking well you said two jabs now it's three but what a fourth one you know and now they're
already talking about a fifth one so now these people are saying well no that was not you know
what what we thought was going to happen then the other thing is um well you do not have the right
and you do not have the freedom to refuse this vaccine because you are infringing on my freedom
this is how it's been you know spun so now you have people running around in germany
actually calling unvaccinated out you know stigmatizing and yelling at them because of you
i don't have my freedom what they don't understand though is no one should have been able
and allowed to even take away their freedom in the first place so this is where you know the
absurdity comes in the government takes away your freedom presents a scapegoat well i can't give it
back to you because you have these unvaccinated people over there you know and there you have it
you know a division you divide and conquer you know basically so there have been but that's how
this works and um yeah it's the framing and it is no longer considered a right you know to not
get a medical uh uh experimental treatment it is now a right to mandate others to do something so
they could feel safe or whatever this is how absurd it has gotten a complete like i said a
complete shift you know of what i always thought we all understood when we talked about freedom
democracy and the rule of law a complete shift in in the take and the paradigm and it's yeah it's
terrible thank you i thank you can i i'll just come back quickly and then obviously i'll hand
over to everyone else thank you for that christine that's given me a real insight um what i've been
what i'm being experiencing is that people of british subjects are contacting me from other
countries around the world and are reporting to me that they are being forced coerced etc
to take this experimental product and asking me for my advice and my advice to them has been this
that that amounts to a grave breach of the geneva convention that's being committed by those
foreigners on foreign soil soil against a british subject that's a prohibited act of unlawful warfare
therefore report it to the local police there report it to the british police and report it
to the british embassy and if you wish seek to be extradited home because your being right to life
your inalienable right to life is being threatened now that raises very serious issues because it
being a breach of the geneva convention means that people have the right to take up arms and
self-defend and of course people have the right to ask countries to come in and intervene so i
think once people realize the gravity of this the fact that it is and in fact what's happening
amounts to all grave breaches of all sorry amounts to a breach of all the grave breaches
um it's horrendous every single one of them and so what i don't understand is how people like
ursula vandalian dare stand on the world stage and essentially declare prohibited acts of unlawful
warfare on european citizens in grave breach of the geneva conventions who does she think she is
the problem is china and russia have noticed and have called us out for it and it gives them the
right to to attack yeah i don't i don't think most people even realize this
yeah you're right about that they do not realize it because they've been brainwashed into thinking
that it's it's all good they know what they're doing and they're you know playing by the rules
and fighting by the laws which they don't you know and i i've said before and i said
say it again they can do whatever they want i will go to jail before they will be able
to to jab me so i'm not going to do it thank you christine and i salute you god bless you
thank you thank you hannah and well done for your ongoing
and guys just uh i'm looking at the clock right now it's almost you know well
half an hour to midnight so um at some point i do have to go to bed and 10 more minutes
why don't we another 15 minutes 15 minutes 15 minutes 15 minutes perfect
and and steven and christian in traditional terms steven frost gets the last questions of you see so
15 minutes we've got you for that that works well we've only got a few hands up
christine so you're handling them very well and thank you anna for that now let me introduce you
christine to jerry brady i spoke about him earlier he was he was not on the call um and jerry publishes
boom finance and economics also a retired doctor and also the cmn news that i've already given you
a reference to but i just wanted jerry to share just this question of digital currency because
we're talking about it earlier and jerry just give it a few words not too long and then i think
christine jerry would be a great resource for you
thank you charles um very quickly the planning for everything here began in berlin in 1945
um but let's skip up to digital currencies all currencies have essentially been digital since the
1960s all currencies are digital because the vast majority of them are held on banking ledgers
those ledgers are digital the use of the term digital currencies is a deliberate
um deliberately misleading term and the other term that is used is crypto currencies these are not
currencies they're digital assets and just on that score i always tell people um i always ask people
when was the blockchain technology invented the answer is 1987 approximately when it was the
called the chain of blocks it was a cryptographic technology that evolved to become what we now call
the blockchain and the decisive step came in 1999 and the decision was made to change the
blockchain in 1998 when the nsa in the united states released a paper that was termed how to
make i think it was called how to make electronic cash and that paper was released i remember the
day vividly and then 10 years almost to the day after that paper was released we had the global
financial crisis and the banking uh insolvency crisis of 2008 and then a mysterious figure called
Satoshi Nakamoto released what we now know as the bitcoin blockchain where a bitcoin is created on
blockchain as a token that mysterious figure Satoshi Nakamoto is an interesting figure i think
i'm 99% sure i know the identity of this person but if you reverse the um words Satoshi Nakamoto
write Nakamoto Satoshi in japanese characters it means central intelligence so we have the
NSA releasing the blockchain the critical blockchain electronic cash paper in 1998 we have
Nakamoto they have Nakamoto Satoshi releasing the bitcoin blockchain in 2008 now what the bitcoin
is is a proxy us dollar and the reason they did it in 2008 was because the volume of euro dollar
creation dropped suddenly so all dollars in fact all currencies have to be created as a debt
um although it can be created as as a sovereign currency as cash but even cash is actually a
debt it sounds funny but cash is a debt from the sovereign it can be recalled back at any time it's
a non-interest bearing debt so we can actually say that all money is dead so so in 2008 the banking
insolvency crisis occurred people don't realize that's what actually happened and at that point
the the credit money flow was seriously threatened and so they released the blockchain a bitcoin
blockchain to create a us dollar proxy offshore it's in cyberspace so it's not inside the us
so it's a it's essentially a way to expand us dollar volume offshore instead of euro instead
of euro dollars being created in bank loans in tax haven banks so that's what's happening with
the whole world but what we i don't like to use the word digital currencies they're all digital
pretty much except for cash in your hand we have to fight this back by adopting cash
at the moment our our money supply in advanced western economies is 98 credit money and 2
percent cash that's not the case in germany because germany has always been suspicious of credit
but germany is a little bit different and germany has 70 of their commercial banking sector is
community owned so germany is different but if you look at countries like america most of western
europe australia japan all the advanced western economies okay they have 98 credit money in
circulation and in 2 cash we have to expand the cash up up up up to balance off credit money
you can't get rid of credit money you've got to balance it off so what we've got to do there
is create basically electronic cash now the central bankers know this and that's what cbdcs
are central bank digital currencies is an effort to create electronic cash and they're desperately
trying to create these but they're having huge problems and the problems are that central banks
generally do not issue currency in fact they're banned from issuing currency they can only buy
and sell assets and they can only trade between the commercial banking sector and the government
so they can't really issue something out into the real economy so these cbdcs are this attempt to
bridge the bridge this gap and create electronic cash it's a natural thing my news paper is read
principally by central bankers and their advisors and by the chief economist and advise them they're
my readers now china is different china has a banking system that is totally controlled by the
center it's a pretend capitalist banking system it's not really they control their money supply
beautifully it's it is wonderful to watch i watch their money supply figures every week the chinese
very much understand money flows and monetary creation monetary destruction
in china they've realized they've got the same problems because of the demographic
a decline they're running out they're starting to run out of people so again that affects the
credit money creation so they've got to create an electronic cash as well and they've done that as
well the digital yuan they did four experiments those experiments were essentially local currency
experiments i suggested this to the world and some of my editorials and the chinese did what
i suggested and they're now going ahead with digital currency in the form of this digital yuan
so all of this is important christine as you well know because 99.9 percent of the population
know nothing about money or banking and what anna said before is very interesting i thought
amma said they're not taught anything about the law in school i can assure you they're not taught
anything about money and in fact you can complete a higher degree in economics become a phd and even
a professor of economics and not know anything about anything about money it's it's extraordinary
fact i am a sort of i'll call myself an expert in money and the monetary system so i hope i've
answered some of your the i've missed the earlier discussion that charles had on money
but i think this is much overlooked we if we focus too much on politics and we don't look
the money side of the equation is important we've got to fight back and we've got to be in control
of electronic cash electronic cash is essential but we must be in control of it and i have a
methodology to do that it's called quantitative boosting and i can talk to you about that
right i don't have a question i just wanted to discuss all of those i want to you because
yeah i wanted jerry to introduce himself his newsletter christine as he said central bankers
around the world read it top economists so i think that's a useful source for you you know to if you
want a resource to go to on this then jerry's the man okay okay thank you excellent yeah
yeah all right thank you jerry john stone then anna and then stephen declose how's that
john you're muted
still muted john you're muted
sorry i clicked it but i must have missed
um that was an extraordinary explanation jerry it's fabulous and i must look deep dig deeper into
your newsletter just to say i mean of course we had this this discussion about new about the sort
of incomparability of the holocaust and uh and the new york burg code and all these things with
vera the other just two nights ago and of course uh like a lot of us and she's a holocaust survivor
um she considers this ridiculous
um and the whole point of course about urnberg is it was a code for the future it wasn't a code
for the it wasn't a code for the past and but also the fact is we keep on being told we
mustn't compare we must you know it's nothing but of course uh i mean and she told me in march 2020
it's happening again because she could feel it she was six you know she was four or six or whatever
at the time but she actually her experience told her it's happening again
uh and of course it's nonsense to say you mustn't ever compare anything but of course you know that
but and she knows that but i'm just saying that uh actually her tape which lasts about an hour
is absolutely incredible as everybody i think here would agree
anyhow i must let go anna wants to come back i think is that right
yes john thank and and christine john is a uk journalist so thank you for that comment john
and has got a quick one that you forgot to ask you christine yeah hi christine sorry i did promise
um somebody else in the group that i would ask you this question uh very quick one do you consider
that either or both sars-cov-2 and these injections are in fact bio weapons
and meet the definition of bio weapons i know you're not a bio weapons expert
so i appreciate it's not necessarily your field but i wondered to what extent you or others within
the parliament have discussed whether it meets these meet the definitions of bio weapons
and no of course such a discussion did not take place because it is it is not wanted
um and i mean even if i were to you know if even you know a point of order or whatever or
you know would want to address this they would be run out the house because you know you cannot
you really can't talk about this um because it can't be what what you know what they don't want
to be so um do i consider them uh you know i wouldn't put it past them to be quite frank
you know if they actually were uh obviously i do i really don't know but i wouldn't put it past them
if they were and okay thank you thank you yeah it seems quite interesting though especially with the
vaccinations um kind of it's coming to light now that uh once you've gotten the the more jabs you
have the more susceptible you actually seem to be to contracting this virus um so like i said i don't
know but no we would never have a discussion in this parliament uh about whether or not they were
considered bio weapons okay thank you thank you christine it sounds like there's an awful
lot of censorship and topics that can't be discussed which strikes me as really unfortunate
yeah okay thank you thank you thank you christine if you want to solve a problem you need to have
all the information you have to know what the problem is so every doctor should know that
that right you have to come up with a diagnosis of the doctor so politicians when they're trying
to solve this they need to know what the what the problem is they need to have a diagnosis
and we can help you with that because we've hardly talked about the medicine
yeah that's true the the the the thing that the politicians are weakest on is the medicine
and it's not about science it's about the art of medicine and the corruption of medicine which
has taken place we've now got a medical political alliance just as we had in germany in the 30s and
um during the war and um and Vera Shirav is an expert on medical political alliances
that she's actually survived on herself and to to for these people to say that you can't talk about
the holocaust is just nonsense and i said earlier that no one holds it against the german people
what happened in the second world well i certainly didn't um and my parents told me that that what
happened in germany could have happened anywhere and people forget if i know about bethoven and i
i love classical music i also know about the great writers that germany's given the world um and um
and great scientists too um so you could argue that in 1910 and 1900 that germany was actually
the center of the world culturally so um but but of course since the second world war
i felt very sorry for the german people because i met young people who were apologizing to me as
uh in their late teens for the second world war and right but my parents fortunately had i also
met german um people who as parents who were very anxious to have their children meet british
children so we had german children staying in our house when i was a child um but anyway um
anyway um so i just got one or two notes here um i wanted to ask stephen why can't we see you
oh sorry yes that wasn't deliberate
um i i turned it off a few minutes ago too yeah um so sorry about that um so i just made one or
two notes here so i wanted to ask you which whether you came from the east of germany or the west
um actually i was born and raised in western germany
but i uh my parents they were from eastern germany and uh my dad actually fought in world war two
he was drafted when he was 16 years old um and the end of the war he experienced in hungary
the front line um the reason i'm telling you this is because he was then a pow with with
americans luckily though and he made sure that he would not fall into russian hands um so he was
released as a pow came back home and he realized he was now sitting in communism and and uh he just
well that's not you know what i was told was gonna happen when the wars over you know now i'm in
dictatorship so he went to win um extra parliamentary opposition he criticized the state and as you can
imagine it didn't go down too well and it didn't go on too long so they he was arrested by the
russians actually for anti-soviet espionage that were the charges and he was uh sentenced to 25
years of hard labor to the most horrific prison in eastern germany which is called bautzen so um
though he was like what 21 years old when he was you know sentenced to no 18 when he was
that sentenced to to 25 years of hard labor so he practically with this his life was over luckily
he only had to serve five years of the of the sentence uh because otherwise i wouldn't be here
had he not been released at that time so um and he was they were about to arrest him again because
he still he still wouldn't shut up after he had been released um and he was warned there was a
59 and he was warned at a time and he decided to flee the country and then my mother and my two
older sisters they followed like two years after him so but yes i was fortunate enough to be born
and raised in western germany but we had strong ties to gdr practically my second home and i
experienced it pretty much firsthand so your parents were familiar with uh dictatorship and so
yes they absolutely were yes and then they brought you up in a in a way that you you were
speaking out in parliament because it's it's interesting isn't it the the west of europe they
they don't seem to be able to understand what's going on and all the opposition is coming from
the east of europe well a lot of it anyway um i think one italian but that they were also in
a in a dictatorship in the second world war um right so anyway um we as i said earlier we nearly
forgot about the medicine do you need help or do you and your colleagues need help with the medicine
because we've got huge resources on the medicine side right yeah we absolutely do there there's
actually a lot of things we need help with i mean of course we have you know the scientific
researchers at our disposal in the house but um the point is it's like if you you know put
them to a task it's like it's so if you know they can't do it it's impossible they can't do it
and they don't even scratch the surface no exactly and and so so we've got access to the the best
medical minds and scientists in in the world and we can put you in touch with them because you
need to understand the the what has happened and what has happened is that the practice of medicine
has been totally corrupted since march 2020 and hospitals are killing people in every country in
europe with remdesivir midazolam and nobody knows about it because they're not medical they don't
they've never heard of these drugs they don't understand what they are and um but informed
consent is not being um it cannot have been obtained for the vaccines because no doctor in
the world knows what's in the vaccines right so to mandate to mandate a so-called vaccine which
isn't a man a vaccine in an emergency which isn't an emergency is nonsense because you can't get
consent for the thing you're mandating um yeah of course um so anyway uh that's another thing uh did
yes um so how would this actually work on top of everything christine the public
all the country stave it stave it christine i had a question for you sorry yes i'm sorry
how would this actually work uh will you circulate my email address or will i get a list of the email
addresses of everyone that was uh online tonight how i can do it any way you like because um
you know on a confidential basis i can put you in touch with um anyone in the group there are
1000 people who are in the group by invitation okay excellent but we have people like sugri
bakhti you know the german microbiologist yeah i'm sorry i i i didn't catch that
secret secret back to you yeah yeah yeah back to you yeah and then the camera the pcr expert
so i would like to and then like michael yeden wolfgang world dog who exposed the
yeah swine flu pandemic fraud so and then we got the american as the doctor peter mcculler ryan
um and uh jerry brady knows about the proper practice of medicine as well in australia
so okay there are loads of them i can put you in touch with but you you wouldn't have a chance as
politicians to understand the medicine to understand the totality of what has happened and yes you do
you have any idea how many people have died because of these so-called vaccinations the injections
i i don't have a number but it's it's well let's put it would you be shocked if i said it's around
about 10 million worldwide but it could be more yeah that would shock me actually well it is that
and i can i can get you to show you how we get to that figure um wow so steven so that we can let
christine go to rest christine this is a resource that you have and the maps have via steven is the
best way to go okay and okay that's with you but if you go to steven and go i need this and then
steven can go hey we've got the network we will get that answer to those questions or provide
those resources or put a panel together for maps that might want to have this yes
johnson and jerry brady all christine we can put you in touch with robert malone who's the inventor
of the mrna technology for example so just loads of people it's hard to remember them all
oh alexandra henry and court who's a who's a geneticist a brilliant geneticist in france
from france and she's been speaking out very bravely so we can put you in touch with all these
people you need to know that the the the sheer evil that's been going on in every country in
the world 192 different countries right and um i think that's it sorry
all right i i really have to say that was really interesting it was enlightening for me too and um
yeah it's absolutely it's excellent that i now have you know all these people that i could
you know potentially uh get the information from that i need to kick some more butt over here
because they need it you've got an army of informants and christine excellent well thank
you so much it's really been a pleasure uh thanks for having me and i really appreciate this and
yeah we should thank you and thank you and thank you for organizing everybody please say thank
you to christine go to bed now christine thank you christine and then and don't forget to save the
so much save the chat christine i did i already did excellent well done all right thank you so
much guys thank you so much yes bye bye bye bye