And how many of you have seen, I've seen the trailer,
I've seen the conversations around Follow the Silenced,
the new movie by Matt Guthrie and Mickey Willis?
Ron, you've seen it?
It's pretty narrow.
I've heard about it, but I haven't seen it yet.
So everybody, we need to spread the word on it.
And Dale Bigtree was interviewing Matt Guthrie,
who came up with the concept, the producer of the movie,
Mickey Willis was the director,
and it is harrowing and we need to get the message out.
And at the same time, John Rappaport
has run a beautiful piece on what we now have to do.
And Charles, you being here today
is very, very relevant to John Rappaport.
I've been a fan of his for 15 years.
His piece today says,
basically his piece today says,
we have to keep fighting and fighting,
here's a part of the quote from the piece,
we have to expose the deepest crimes of the enemy.
We have to launch and keep launching wave after wave
of attacks, some of which lead to prosecutions.
It has to be allowed no holes barred war.
You make evil what it is, evil.
And you put that on full display.
You put names and faces on that evil.
You shatter in hundreds of different ways,
the public trust in medical and in doctors,
not because you're crazy, but because you're right.
So, and then he refers that to what Bobby Kennedy has to do.
And so, in the context of not going calmly, but hard,
and Charles, I'm confident
what you're gonna share with us today
is going to be relevant to us girding our loins
and going hard and not thinking we're winning this.
No, because they've got endless resources.
Yeah, so follow the silence.
I urge everyone here and everyone watching the recording
to watch that documentary.
Anna Mahalcha who's presented to us on one or two occasions,
she's announced she's ceasing publication of substacks.
I got an email from her yesterday,
or on her substacks she announced that.
So, as a change of strategy for her,
she's not going out in the public.
And on the climate fraud,
it was interesting to see that the leader
of the conservatives in the UK has called on Kia Stama
to say, it's time we stop pretending
that net zero can happen.
It's time we stop pretending.
In other words, we're pretending, we know we're pretending.
It's time we stop pretending.
And Willie Soon has done an excellent piece
on sharing the grok analysis of the climate fraud,
the climate terrorists.
And what we learned last week was very good.
There is no climate emergency,
there are climate fraudsters about,
and there are climate terrorists about,
whose weapons, who can remember what the weapons
of the climate terrorists are?
The weapons of the climate terrorists,
which is a great metaphor, are lies.
Isn't that a wonderful metaphor?
The weapons of the climate terrorists are lies.
So, have a look at the grok.
I'll put the link into the chat,
but it was a wonderful, wonderful piece,
and I've been following it for a long time, since 1992.
Many of you in terms of renewable energy,
but there is no climate emergency.
All right, now, Charles, I've made you a co-host,
and you'll be able to share your screen if you wish.
I'm gonna introduce you,
I'm gonna start this show in a moment,
but if you wanna share anything on your screen,
and as you know, this group,
we want you to go as hard as you like,
we don't want you to pull back,
so it's great to have everybody here,
we've got an excellent audience,
so let's get this show on the road,
and Mark, you had a quick question?
Just a quick piece of information,
I've posted a link to Ryan Cole's very good little clip
about Idaho, and I urge everyone to see it,
because they are putting a bill through,
and he's hoping it will get through,
if it doesn't get through,
he is proposing to run as governor.
Excellent, thank you, Mark,
for that piece of information, very relevant.
All right, so welcome everybody to today's meeting
of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International,
and I just want you all to know at the top of the show,
who's the coolest, here's the quick question of the day,
who's the coolest doctor in the hospital?
The HIP Consultant, there you are,
there's your dad joke for all you dads and grandfathers.
So this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost
over almost four years ago,
with a desire to pursue truth, ethics,
justice, freedom, and health.
Stephen has stood up against government and power
over the years, and has been a whistleblower and activist,
his medical specialty is radiology.
At this time, when Dr. Charles Hoff is our guest today,
again, which is done previously,
we remember Rainer Formick, German and US lawyer,
who's currently in German prison undergoing a show trial
by corrupt and unlawful actions by the German government,
whatever you can do to shine a light on Rainer's plight
is much appreciated.
And some of you will not have caught up
that Anna de Buissere, UK lawyer,
died in December last year, very sadly,
and we also remember her.
I'm Charles Coviss, the moderator of this group.
I practiced law for 20 years before changing career,
31 years ago, and over the last 14 years,
I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies
for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.
Bad medical advice is now the number one cause of death
in America, ahead of cancer, ahead of heart attacks,
ahead of diabetes.
I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
I point out that, I know we'll keep,
point that out in a moment,
we comprise lots of professions here
and we're from all around the world.
Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
Now, many of us, including me, proudly say,
yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
I refer you to the evidence given by Dr. Stanley Plotkin,
the alleged father of childhood vaccines in the US,
who was deposed by Aaron Ciri.
This is reported by Dale Bigtree in the High Wire,
nine hour deposition, where Stanley Plotkin admitted
that no vaccine ever in history has ever been properly tested
for safety and efficacy.
So anyone who says that vaccines are safe and effective
is talking crap.
If this is your first time here, welcome,
and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
and where you're from.
If you publish a newsletter or a podcast,
put the links into the chat so we can follow you,
promote you and find you.
Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III
and that the medical science battle
is only one of 12 battlefronts of this latest World War.
The spiritual battlefront is another of those battlefronts
and there's no time to be tied.
I assess we're five years into a seven year war,
so look after your health and get ready
for another two years at least, and it might be five years.
Be up for the fight.
Most of us understand the development of science
and that the science is never settled.
The meeting runs for two and a half hours
after which for those with the time,
Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.
Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
We will listen to our guest presenter, Dr. Charles Hoff
from British Columbia, Canada,
for as long as Charles wishes to speak.
And then we have Q&A.
Stephen Frost, by long established tradition,
asked the first questions for 15 minutes.
Charles has spoken to us before
and his previous presentations are available
on the Rumble channel.
It is salutary to watch that,
but it's probably, you know, start with this one,
but then go back and look at the journey
that Charles has been on.
This is a free speech environment
with appropriate moderating.
Free speech is crucially important in our fight
to preserve our human freedoms.
If you're offended by anything, be offended.
We are lovingly not interested.
We reject the offence industry
that requires nobody to say anything
that may offend another.
Similarly, we reject the triggering industry,
both the offence industry and the triggering industry
are both attempts to shut down your free speech.
However, we come with an attitude
and perspective of love, not fear.
Fear is the opposite of love.
Fear squashes you and enslaves you.
Love, on the other hand, expands you and liberates you.
These twice weekly meetings are not just talkfests
and extraordinary range of actions and initiatives
have been generated from linkages made by attendees
in these meetings.
If you have a solution or a product
or links or resources that will help people,
put the details into the chat.
The meeting is recorded
and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.
And now welcome to our guest presenter, Dr. Charles Hoff.
And we thank you, Charles, for again,
giving us your time, wisdom and insights
and for the purposes of the recording,
those who didn't receive the invitation.
I will read out a short bio of Charles.
Charles, he's a South African-trained general practitioner
working in British Columbia, Canada.
Charles was an early whistleblower
in the COVID vaccine rollout,
who attempted to alert the authorities and the public
to the serious side effects,
which he saw in his own patients.
All of his reports to alert public health
to the safety signals were met with denial,
censorship and threats from the medical authorities,
who called any mention of vaccine injuries,
quote, misinformation, end quote.
Charles was given a gag order by the health authorities
and suspended as an emergency room physician
for saying that a person with natural immunity to COVID
did not need a vaccination.
After being evacuated when his town
and medical practice burned,
his wife initiated aggressive litigation against him.
The medical authorities used this to accuse him
of abandoning his patients
and asked for a psychiatric evaluation.
The BC, the British Columbia College of Physicians
and Surgeons has employed every devious
and dishonest legal tactic to indict him
over the last four years.
By the grace of God, says Charles,
every one of their tactics failed.
Consequently, they have dropped all charges,
which is just wonderful news.
Charles Hoff's experiences during the COVID pandemic
reveal a deep-seated corruption in Canadian public health.
And by the way, similarly in Australia
and the UK and the US.
And systemic coverup of the evidence of harm
by captured government institutions.
His experiences also reveal the importance
of courageous perseverance in the face of evil,
the power of truth and the faithfulness of God.
So wonderful to have you here, Charles.
Thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating this group
and for organising Charles to speak to us today.
Charles, we're in your hands for as long as you wish to speak.
And I'm so pleased that your bio that you shared with us,
you have come out and said what you have about the evil
that is controlling the medical system
in certainly in British Columbia and Canada and Australia
and the UK and America.
Over to you.
So great to see you, Charles.
Thank you so much for coming on.
And I just remember when we first met,
I think it was early in 2021 or something like that,
just awful.
And I think you were as exercised as I was.
I didn't really understand then,
but we can talk about that later.
Thank you so much for coming on then.
Thank you for the invitation.
And thank you, Charles, for the kind words.
So I think calling what has happened to every one of us
and to every nation evil is,
I mean, there's no other word for it.
Some of the members in this group,
because of the difference in when time changes occurred,
some of us logged in an hour ago
and had a very interesting discussion
on the spiritual aspects of this.
And I mentioned how the Bible speaks about Satan
as the deceiver of the nations.
And the fact that we have seen every government
march in lockstep to trample on the rights of its people,
to create massive debt,
to become the exact opposite of what governments...
Governments are supposed to protect and guide their people.
And they have become so oppressive and dishonest,
it's hard to believe what has happened.
And the fact that every country in the world
has followed the same demented, unscientific tyranny.
I think the only conclusion
that when every country in the world does the same thing
with just minor variance,
we have to say this is a satanic evil.
So I wanted to talk about the capture
of the medical establishments
and what they have done in this medical tyranny,
because the strongest predictor of future behavior
is past behavior.
So we have to look at what people have done in the past
to know what they're gonna do in the future.
History repeats itself.
And so I wanted to just talk about my experience
and all of the different tactics
that they used against us.
The regulatory bodies in the UK,
you've got the GMC, the General Medical Council.
In Canada, we have the colleges of physicians and surgeons,
and each province has its own college.
And I know this name is confusing
because it sounds like it's some sort
of an academic institution.
It is not.
These are purely regulatory bodies.
And their job is supposed to be to ensure
that the practice of medicine is ethical and safe.
They are supposed to protect the public.
And just like our governments have become the opposite
of what they're supposed to be,
these regulatory bodies have become the opposite
of what they're supposed to be.
They have been, in these regulatory bodies,
they have been, instead of ensuring that medicine
is practiced in an ethical and safe manner,
they have done the exact opposite.
They have persecuted ethical doctors
who have been concerned about patient safety,
people like me and numerous others right across the globe.
I'm just one of a huge army of doctors
who have been ethical and been concerned about safety
and have been stomped on as a result.
But they, in Canada, the colleges, for example,
who are supposed to ensure that the ethic
of personal bodily autonomy, in other words,
informed consent to nobody ever gets forced
to have a medical treatment that they shouldn't,
that they don't want or don't need,
fired their own employees who wouldn't have these shots.
So in other words, they became the exact opposite
of what they were supposed to be.
They persecuted those who were upholding ethics
and patient safety and protected those
who were doing the opposite.
So,
you may remember, I mean, we've seen how fear was used
to drive this entire pandemic,
that they started out by creating
with this massive fear propaganda
to make everybody terrified of this virus.
And of course, the masks and the lockdowns
and the social distancing and the travel,
everything was all about fear, was all,
and it was really all to get people ready for the shots.
Because a lot of people didn't trust the shots,
because it was new technology
and it looked like it was very rushed,
a lot of people had a lot of hesitancy about them
because they weren't, they just didn't think
this had been well enough checked out.
And so their way of overcoming that vaccine hesitancy
was to create enough fear.
People had to be more fearful of the virus
than they were of the vaccine
in order to go and get vaccinated.
And of course, we were told by people like Klaus Schwab,
no one is safe until everyone is vaccinated.
And so in the first year of the pandemic,
as you remember, there were a few places in the world
where there was an increased number of the people dying.
But in Canada, in that first year of the pandemic,
before there were any vaccines,
there was no increase in the overall death rate,
showing that there actually was no pandemic.
Everything that used to be called flu was called COVID.
And flu disappeared, and there was literally no increase
in all-cause mortality in the first year
before the vaccine rollout.
And yet they created this massive narrative of fear,
which was all to get people ready for this shot.
Now it's important for people to realize
that the United Nations had stated its intention
to reduce the world's population to 500 million
back in 1990 with Agenda 21.
And they repeated that intention
to reduce the world's population to 500 million
in Agenda 2030, but they just moved the timeline
to 2030.
And five times before this pandemic,
the World Health Organization,
together with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
and the United Nations, had used vaccines five times
in the past to reduce fertility.
And they had done it in Brazil and Mexico and India
and in Africa.
And I mean, I first heard about this in Kenya,
where women were being given a tetanus vaccine
during pregnancy that they were told
was to protect their baby against tetanus.
And some Christian doctors there became suspicious
of the way this was being rolled out
and the fact that they wanted these women
to get repeated vaccines during this pregnancy
to protect their infants against tetanus.
And sent some of these vials of the vaccine
to South Africa to be analyzed,
where they found that the vaccine
was literally an anti-pregnancy vaccine.
It was to make sure that this was the last pregnancy
that those women would ever have.
It was an anti-beta HCG vaccine.
So beta HCG is the hormone produced by the placenta
that sustains the pregnancy.
And so if you have antibodies against beta HCG,
every time you get pregnant
and as soon as a placenta is formed,
your body will attack the placenta and you will miscarry.
So they had done this to women there
to basically render them infertile.
And Bill Gates had boasted about the fact that he,
well, not boasted, but he had mentioned in a speech
that he felt that you could reduce the world's population
by between 10 and 15% through vaccination.
And I thought, well, that's a bit strange.
Vaccines are supposed to preserve life
and supposed to keep people safe.
How do you reduce the world's population through vaccine?
That is logically inconsistent.
And obviously the only logical explanation
is they have to reduce fertility.
I mean, unless the vaccines are literally gonna kill people,
otherwise it would be through creating infertility.
So getting back to what happened to me,
and so I was immediately suspicious of this vaccine
because I knew that the fear was out of all proportion.
Early in this pandemic,
there was a, in the very first couple of months
of the pandemic, there was a cruise ship
that you might remember called the Diamond Princess.
It was a Japanese cruise ship with 3,700 people on board.
And in January of 2020,
when we were just first hearing about COVID,
somebody on that cruise ship was taken off the boat
that was very sick and was diagnosed as having COVID.
So this cruise ship with 3,700 people on board
became this floating laboratory to see what would happen.
They were told they weren't allowed to dock.
No one was allowed to go ashore.
They had to stay offshore.
And we waited to watch and see what would happen
to these 3,700 people now that there was COVID
ripping through this boat.
And for the first little while,
the captain didn't really know what to do.
And so he let the people just carry on doing
what they did on cruise ships.
And they were mingling and eating in the restaurants
and doing the things that they do.
And then after a few days, he thought,
well, actually maybe we should get them
to isolate in their cabins.
And so there were a thousand crew members on this boat.
So crew on these cruise ships
are generally young working-aged people.
And there were a thousand of them serving 2,700 passengers.
And these crew worked every day to take meals,
three meals a day to these passengers in their cabins.
And to clean their rooms and make their beds
and to service them with no PPE whatsoever.
So this was a very good experiment to see
what happens to these 1,000 crew members.
And on these cruises, usually most of the passengers
are older, they're often retired, often elderly.
So the bottom line is not one single one
of those 1,000 crew members died of COVID,
which told us that COVID wasn't a serious risk
for young, younger people.
And the median age of those that did die,
and there were seven people that died, was 82,
which told us that COVID was primarily a risk
to the frail elderly.
This was all happening before this was even declared
a pandemic, that we could get a glimpse
as to what the real risk of this would be.
But by the time the vaccine rollout started,
we knew that COVID was no more dangerous than the flu
in terms of its infection fatality rate.
And so in my little community, I was a bit like a cruise ship.
I was the only doctor living in this little town.
There were other doctors that came in to help me
with the emergency room and other things like that.
But I was part of an email group of 18 doctors,
nurses, and pharmacists in my community
and adjoining communities who were all being
informed about the vaccine rollout.
So we were getting these group emails to tell us
how many people had been vaccinated
and where they were holding clinics and what was happening.
And so I knew when the first 900 people had been vaccinated.
And I started seeing these people coming into my clinic
with horrible vaccine injuries.
And initially there were all serious neurological problems.
And so I became very alarmed about this.
Before that, the month before,
which was actually in March of 2021,
I had, when the AstraZeneca shot was shut down in Europe,
and once 12 countries in Europe had stopped giving
the AstraZeneca shot because of life-threatening blood clots,
and Trudeau had ordered, I think, 60 million doses
or some absurd amount and was dishing them out
to Canadians as fast as possible.
I sent an email to those 18 doctors, nurses,
and pharmacists in my little sub-community
who were actually giving these shots.
Because I had said right from the start,
I will be an observer.
I am not gonna give any of these shots
because I do not believe that there's any evidence
for their safety.
So I will watch.
But I was still getting the email.
So my little community was like a cruise ship
where I knew how many people had been vaccinated.
And I was the only doctor that lived in that town.
So I saw most people and knew what their issues were.
And so I was uniquely situated,
literally within a couple of months,
to be able to work out that the rate
of serious life-altering vaccine injuries
in the first 900 people that had been vaccinated
was one in 225.
So when I initially sent an email
to this group of 18 people saying,
12 countries in Europe have shut down AstraZeneca.
This is a serious safety signal.
The fact that they are still dishing it out to Canadians
as fast as possible is irresponsible.
We need to take note of this.
And I pointed out to these people
that there is a personal liability issue
to any medical professional who gives any medical treatment
without informing the person of the known risks.
And I just said to them, just be aware of this.
There's a safety signal and you are personally liable.
So somebody in that group sent that email to the authorities
and I was immediately given a gag order.
I was told I was not allowed to say anything negative
about these shots.
Now they said, look,
we can't control what you say everywhere,
but in the course of your work as a doctor
and in the emergency room,
you are not allowed to say anything negative
about these shots,
which effectively means you can't give informed consent.
If you're not allowed to tell a patient
what the risks of a procedure or a treatment are,
you can't give informed consent.
But this was my gag order.
And I was told that if I had any questions,
I was not to address them to my colleagues.
They had to go to the medical health officer
who was in charge of the vaccine rollout.
So when I started seeing these terrible injuries,
I wrote to this medical health officer
to ask her how I treat them.
I said to her, please tell me what disease process
has been initiated in these people
because I have no idea what the diagnosis is
and I don't know how to treat it.
She sent this letter to the College of Physicians and Surgeons
as a complaint against me.
The fact that I was alerting her of another safety signal,
and it wasn't a safety signal in Europe or somewhere else,
it was in my own patients.
So when I got no answer from her,
I then sent an open letter.
Now, I've never been on social media,
so I didn't know how to alert the public
if you've never been on those things.
So I decided, well, I'll just send an open letter.
And so I drafted a letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry,
who was our provincial health officer,
to tell her about the rate of vaccine injuries
that I was seeing in my patients
and to tell her also that up until that point in the pandemic,
we had not had to give any medical care whatsoever
to anyone with COVID.
Not one single person had come into our emergency room
or into my doctor's office,
and I had the only medical clinic in town.
Nobody had needed treatment for COVID.
And now we had a lot of people, we had one person dead,
three people at that point who looked like
they were gonna be permanently disabled,
and they are permanently disabled, by the way,
and there were far more vaccine injuries to come.
That's all that I knew about.
So I sent this to her and I said to her,
it really appears from our personal experience
in this little town called Lytton
that these shots are more dangerous than COVID.
So of course, that letter was sent to the college.
As another complaint.
They did not want to know about the safety signals.
They really, really did not want to know about them
because they saw any mention of vaccine injuries
as misinformation.
And so, of course, Klaus Schwab had said,
no one is safe until everyone's vaccinated.
And most other leaders, national leaders had echoed that.
Trudeau said, the way out of this pandemic
is to get everyone vaccinated.
And of course, if you want everyone to get vaccinated,
you've got to jump on hesitancy
and you've got to stomp on anyone
who points out any risk of harm
because everyone's got to be vaccinated.
And so the college's response to my letter
informing our provincial health officer
of the safety signals that I was seeing
was to send a letter to every single doctor.
And each college did it in every province.
So every doctor in Canada got a letter stating
that if you speak misinformation about COVID
or COVID vaccines, you will be investigated
and if necessary, disciplined.
They didn't want to know about safety signals.
They wanted compliance.
And any talk of vaccine injuries was misinformation
because they're safe and effective.
And so effectively, they gave a gag order
to every doctor in Canada.
So the response of public health to my open letter
was to refer me to their top vaccine safety specialists
with whom I had a telephone meeting.
And so I asked this doctor the same questions.
Please tell me what is the disease process
that has been initiated by these shots?
How do I get to a diagnosis?
I don't know what to even call these diseases
that I'm seeing and how do I treat it?
And she said, these are not from the vaccine.
These are all coincidences.
And so I said, but then so what do I do?
So she said, well, you just have
to submit vaccine injury reports.
So I said, well, if I submit vaccine injury reports,
will this initiate an investigation
to find out what these shots are doing?
She said, no, these will become statistics.
And I said to her, but I have tried three major
tertiary hospitals around my area to try
and find a neurologist who will investigate.
And at that point, I had six seriously injured people
because they were racking up every day.
I said, I've got six people who need
to urgently see a neurologist
and I cannot find any neurologist that will see them.
As soon as I mentioned on the phone
that this is from the COVID vaccine,
the person literally goes dead quiet on the phone.
And then they say, this is not my field.
I think you should try somewhere else.
Nobody, this was a sacred cow.
This was sacred ground when no one would tread.
And so I said to this vaccine safety specialist,
will you assist me to find a neurologist
who will do an urgent assessment of these six people?
And she said, no, you need to just keep trying.
And her advice was, I said, but as soon as they hear
it's from the vaccine, they don't wanna know about it.
And she said, well, don't tell them it's from the vaccine.
This was literally, I mean, I couldn't believe it.
They didn't want to know about safety signals.
So I started submitting vaccine injury reports.
And after the first six,
and of course they embarked on a publicity campaign
to completely discredit me
because this open letter had gone viral
and it had reached doctors for COVID ethics,
but it had caused a stir in our community.
And so they were doing press releases
and all sorts of things saying
that what I was saying was untrue,
that everything that I said was unfounded
and in other words, they embarked on a campaign
to discredit me.
They were calling me a liar.
I had been the family doctor to the people
and the patients in my community at that point for 28 years.
I had delivered their babies.
I had cared for members of their family
through every stage of life from birth to death.
And they trusted me implicitly.
I had been there for them in their darkest hour.
And now the authorities were telling them
I'm a liar and a spreader of misinformation.
That was their response for me
trying to keep my patients safe,
was to embark on this campaign of slander against me
to discredit me.
But fortunately, I had been put in touch
with doctors for COVID ethics.
And I met Stephen Frost and Michael Palmer
and Suturit Bagdi and other amazing people.
And I think doctors for COVID,
this was in April, I think, or maybe May of 2021.
And I think doctors for COVID ethics
it was just in its formative,
there were usually about 30 people on the meetings.
And they had seen this open letter
and were very interested in these neurological injuries
that I was reporting
because apparently I was the first doctor they said
to have ever drawn attention to the neurological harm
from the Moderna vaccine.
Because that was the one that my patients got,
almost all of them got Moderna.
And I didn't know at that point,
but now with the wisdom of hindsight,
my patients were allocated
the second most dangerous Moderna batch
that was used in BC.
And so I didn't know whether other doctors
were just not seeing it,
but my cruise ship, my little community,
just by the sovereignty of God,
got the second most dangerous,
the batch that caused the second highest rate
of vaccine injuries.
And so I believe that,
and initially when this started,
I was away on holiday,
I went to South Africa to visit my family
and I wasn't even there to see what was happening,
but there were other doctors in the practice
who were seeing these injuries
and just recording it in the patient's file
and moving on and weren't saying a word.
And when I came back and I saw what was happening,
I was horrified.
I was absolutely horrified.
And so I'd been given this gag order,
but I was not gonna comply with it.
I knew that to comply with that gag order
would be socially irresponsible
and would be betraying my patients who trusted me.
And so I was not about to keep silent.
And I, in the course of the weekly meetings
with Doctors for COVID Ethics,
we had discussions about trying to figure out
what was the mechanism of injury?
What was the process that was being put in place
what was the process that was being caused
by these messenger RNA injections
that was causing such horrible harm?
And I think it was Sutra and Bagdi
that came up with the idea
that we needed to be doing D-dimer tests.
And it was based on the idea that because we knew
that these shots, they had chosen a delivery system
that made sure that this messenger RNA
went everywhere in your body.
It wasn't like a regular vaccine
where it just stays in your deltoid muscle of your arm.
It was in a delivery system
because it had to get it literally into the cell
in order for it to work.
It couldn't just be in a muscle.
It had to go intracellular in order for that RNA
to meet a ribosome to make spike proteins
that then become part of the cell wall,
that then trigger an antibody response
because you've got this foreign protein
in the cell wall to create antibodies against COVID.
That was the idea of how it's supposed to create antibodies
to protect you against COVID.
Can I just interrupt, just for a second,
it was Sutra and Bagdi, and I thought you'd missed that.
So he got you doing D-dimers in Lytton
in British Columbia, Canada.
And Lytton is a town of what, 5,000?
I think you were the first doctor in the world
doing D-dimers.
Yeah, yeah.
So the idea was because we knew that these spikes
were gonna be part of the cell wall.
And because absorption from capillaries
is the main place where absorb, you know, the capillary.
Well, let me say, if this vaccine's going intravenous,
which we knew it did,
it's gonna be absorbed into the endothelium,
which is the cells around blood vessels.
And because most absorption happens in capillary networks,
we knew most of these spike proteins were gonna end up
in the endothelium of capillaries.
And it was therefore absolutely inevitable
that blood clotting would occur.
Inevitable because the line,
the vascular endothelium was no longer going to be smooth.
It was going to be rough with all these spike proteins.
And so as soon as a blood plate,
it comes down that capillary and it hits this rough spot,
it's gonna trigger clotting.
It's predictable.
It is absolute.
I mean, if that plate, it wouldn't be doing its job
if it didn't cause a blood clot.
And so Suturett said,
well, the way to find out if these clots are forming,
because if these clots are in the capillaries,
they're too small to show on a scan.
They're literally on a microscopic level.
You're not gonna see these on a CT scan
because they're just too small.
It's on a capillary level.
So he suggested that we start doing these D-dimer tests.
So a D-dimer test is a blood test
that's done usually in an emergency room
to see if there's some,
if a patient has a clot somewhere in their body.
And it'll only show a recent clot.
It won't show an old clot.
So I started, when my patients would come in,
I'd say, look, I'm trying to figure out
if these shots are causing harm.
Would you like me to monitor your COVID vaccination?
And I said to them,
what I'd like to do is do this blood test
before and after your COVID shot.
And it's basically to get a D-dimer,
to get a baseline for you.
This is like your control.
And then seven days after your shot,
we'll do another one,
and we'll see if there's any evidence
of microclotting caused by these shots.
And that was the idea, was to actually,
and so this was being done by doctors for COVID ethics.
And the idea was to try and get other doctors
in other parts of the world to all do the same thing
and to be able to compare batches
and to compare different types of vaccines
in different population groups
and see what the rate of clotting really was.
So I started doing this on my patients.
And once I got the first eight people's blood work back,
just eight, and five out of the eight
had an elevated D-dimer, which works out at 62%.
I was horrified.
I was absolutely horrified.
And this was supposed to be an international study,
but I was so horrified that the majority of people
who were getting these shots were getting blood clots.
And the importance of this was that these were not people
with symptoms of vaccine injuries.
These were people who just maybe felt a bit tired
or headache or mental fog
or some vague pain somewhere in their body
or some vague thing, and then thought, well, they're okay.
That's just my body making a reaction to this vaccine.
But they didn't realize that they were getting blood clots.
And so the concern was that not only were the majority
of people getting these microscopic blood clots,
but that clotted vessels never go back to normal.
They are permanently damaged
and it will accumulate with every shot.
So this was going to be a cumulative damage.
So I had an interview scheduled
with somebody and the people were always asking me to say,
well, tell us, what are you seeing in your patients?
What's the latest?
Because no other doctors would say a word
because they'd all been given this gag order
about misinformation.
And I'm not one to comply with corrupt authorities.
So I spilled the beans on this D-dimer
and what I was finding.
And literally tragically,
about I think it was nine days after that,
we had a firestorm in this little town where I live.
It was literally a firestorm,
just like we've seen in Maui and in California
and Colorado and all these,
it was a firestorm that it wasn't a wildfire
that came in and hit the town.
No, it started right on the edge of town
on a hot windy day and literally annihilated
by medical practice and the lab
where these tests were being done and everything.
I mean, literally 90% of the town was leveled
in one afternoon.
And I literally ran out of there, grabbed my laptop,
I grabbed my D-dimer stuff
and lost pretty well everything else, even my stethoscope.
And so fortunately, my house was upwind
in a little subdivision, it wasn't quite in the town,
so my house survived, but we were all evacuated.
We were told this is an evacuation area,
you have to leave.
There was no power, there was no water,
there was no cell signal, there was nothing.
So we were told you've got to be out.
So I then went to a place where I had moved my wife
and children to a neighboring town
about two hours drive away.
I'd moved them there about five years before
because my children really needed to have more opportunities
for education and work and that sort of thing
than they had in this little town.
So I arrived there not knowing that my wife
was planning to divorce me.
And when I arrived there and she realized
that I was now going to be staying there, not in this,
because I would normally just go there to be with the family
when I had my days off.
So when I arrived there, she then put her plan into action.
And so the next Sunday I went off to church,
I came back from church and there was nobody else there
except the dog.
And I did not know where she and the children had gone.
And a few days later, I was served with this sheaf of papers
saying that she was not only filing for divorce,
but she was asking for a protection order
and a no contact order against me
because I was going to become dangerous.
She decided that I was gonna become dangerous
when I found out about this
and therefore I needed to be banished.
So I was told that I was gonna be,
and this again, the trial was gonna be in three days.
That's all the warning I had.
So of course, in three days, you can't find a lawyer.
So I then put the word out to my patients
who were scattered by this fire
that I am going to have to,
that I have to leave where I was
and go to my little cottage up in the remote part.
And I would try to look after them from there.
So then this word got to the authorities
who then sent another complaint to the college
that I had abandoned my patients.
So because my office had been burned
and the post office had been burned
and everything in the town where I lived had been burned,
the college didn't know where to send this complaint to
that I had abandoned my patients.
So they phoned me up on my cell phone
to find out where they send this complaint to.
And actually it was one of the registrars
of the college who phoned to say,
and so I explained to him about this divorce
and about this fact that my wife was trying
to get this protection order and all of these issues.
And he said, well, I really think it sounds like
you're under a lot of stress.
I think you should be taking some time off.
You need a mental evaluation.
You need counseling.
I think you should just,
and we will understand,
we won't accuse you of abandoning your patients,
but you need a psychiatric evaluation.
And I said to them,
there is nothing psychiatrically wrong with me.
I am not anxious.
I am not depressed.
I am of sound mind and I do not need any time off.
And I didn't realize that this was one of the tactics
that they employ to sideline doctors.
They get you to,
they persuade you to have a mental evaluation
and then they basically suspend you on the basis
that you're mentally not fit to practice medicine.
But by the grace of God,
I was protected because I refused to have this.
And so they weren't able to get rid of me in that way.
But a few months later,
in Canada, they approved these shots for children
down to six months of age.
And at that point,
because I knew of the fertility problems around this,
and I knew of this desire of the United Nations
and the World Health Organization to,
well, we knew they wanted to vaccinate everyone
against a disease that wasn't a risk to everyone.
And they were forcing children and university students
to have these shots in order to be able to go to university
or participate in sport and do all sorts of things.
And so I realized that this was a depopulation tool.
There was no other logical explanation
for why they were so determined to vaccinate the children
because COVID was almost no risk to children.
In Canada, in the entire pandemic,
we haven't had a single healthy child
or anybody under the age of 16 that has died of COVID,
not one.
And yet they forced them to have these shots
in order to be able to study or to play sport
or to participate in life.
And so I went on a series of speaking tours,
literally with town hall meetings
to try and warn parents about this,
to basically tell them about the safety signals,
tell them about what I'd found with the D-diamond,
tell them about the fact that the Pfizer bio-distribution
studies showed that one of the top four destinations
for those messenger RNA spike proteins is ovaries,
top four organs.
And that any girl that has her ovaries damaged
will have permanently reduced fertility.
Because when a baby girl is born,
she is born with all of the eggs
that she will ever have in her life.
She cannot make new eggs.
And so if anything damages her ovaries,
she will have reduced fertility.
So this really antagonized the college.
The fact that I was going town to town
holding these meetings,
and because of all their COVID restrictions,
often they wouldn't let us into the town halls.
And so often we did these meetings outside
in the winter in Canada at sub-zero temperatures,
holding these meetings out in the freezing cold,
trying to warn people.
So the college then completed its investigation against me,
issued this citation against me,
but the way they did it was very telling.
I was sitting at my desk in February of 2022,
just doing my work,
because fortunately I still had a medical license.
I'd been fired from the ER
for telling an emergency room nurse
that somebody with natural immunity didn't need a shot.
So I'd been fired from that,
but I still had my medical license
and my practice was burned,
so I was just working from home.
And I got a phone call from a news reporter
from Global News in Toronto
that wanted my comments on the citation against me.
And I said, well, what citation?
And they said, well, don't you know
what the college has said about you?
So I said, no, I haven't a clue.
And I had to go to the college's website
and find out what they had released
to the media across Canada.
They had released it to all the mainline media
across Canada that I was going to be disciplined
for professional misconduct.
And of course the professional misconduct
was talking about vaccine injuries.
That was the professional misconduct.
And so I thought, oh boy, here they go again.
This was another threat, another basically,
it's just reinforcing the previous gag order to doctors.
Just keep silent because watch what we're gonna do
to Dr. Hoff.
So they set up this disciplinary panel.
And of course, so clearly this was not about truth.
This was not about safety.
All of the COVID restrictions that we still had
with masks and social distancing and all of that,
it was all about safety.
But the fact that they didn't wanna know
about safety signals showed that this was not about safety.
This definitely was not about safety.
This was about tyrannical control
and getting everyone vaccinated.
So I then found a lawyer and they set a date for the trial.
But the lawyer became sick and asked for an adjournment
based on his illness.
And the college didn't really believe that he was that sick.
And they actually employed a private investigator
to follow him for two weeks to see how sick he really was.
And he had applied for this adjournment.
And so we had not got any expert witnesses.
We hadn't done any preparation
because he kept expecting for this adjournment.
And he'd given them medical evidence that he'd been sick.
And they just never responded.
So by law, there's a 14-day deadline
that if you want to submit evidence
that you're gonna use in your defense,
you have to submit it 14 days before the trial.
So 14 days before the trial,
the college submitted the evidence of their expert witness
who was somebody who was employed by the province
who had been the right-hand man
of our provincial health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry.
This was effectively a family doctor like myself
who had specialized in epidemiology and public health.
And so he submitted his expert testimony
that I think was 268 pages with 191 references.
And so one of their tactics clearly,
by giving this huge wad of information 14 days before,
is to sort of overwhelm you
so that there's no way you can process
this amount of information in this short time
and they just swamp you
so that you can't mountain out of good defense.
But meanwhile, I had no expert witnesses
and nothing was submitted
because this lawyer kept expecting an adjournment.
So here I was marching towards this trial
with absolutely no defense.
And so I thought I was sunk.
And I got on my knees and I pleaded with Almighty God
and I put the word out to my Christian friends.
I said, I'm headed to a trial with no defense.
My lawyer has missed all of these deadlines
and I am sunk.
Please will you pray for this disciplinary panel
that they will be fair.
Now, just talking about fair,
let me tell you what this disciplinary panel is.
The way these medical disciplinary things works
in Canada is, they have a doctor who is under investigation
or I guess the investigation had finished
because now they'd issued the citation.
The college has their team of lawyers.
The college appoints this disciplinary panel
which is like a jury.
There are five people who work for the college
and they're paid by the college
and they're employed for this purpose
to carry out this disciplinary hearing.
And then of course, there's me and my lawyer.
So this jury isn't exactly an impartial group.
They are chosen by the college
who is the accuser.
They work for the accuser.
They're picked by the accuser.
So I wasn't expecting justice.
This is not how justice is supposed to work.
A jury is supposed to be an impartial group.
But by the grace of God,
this disciplinary panel decided that it would not be fair
to conduct a trial on me where I had no defense.
And I couldn't believe it.
But I then realized that I needed to have a different lawyer.
And I then managed to find a brilliant man called Lee Turner
who also works in British Columbia,
who had been a personal injury lawyer before this
and who has seemed to have a very good understanding
of how these colleges work
and knew what a medical expert testimony
is supposed to look like
because he'd been a personal injury lawyer.
And he recruited eight world-class experts
to deal with each one of the areas of accusation against me.
And by the grace of God,
every one of these eight people offered their testimony
and their work absolutely free of charge
because they had all heard about me
and by what had happened to me.
And they literally,
because I mean, there's no way I could afford this.
I mean, the caliber of these people is unsurpassed.
There were eight fantastic people
who submitted literally over 900 pages
of brilliant expert testimony.
So in order to be considerate and kind to the college,
rather than submitting this 14 days before,
we gave it to them 30 days before
because there was a lot of stuff.
It was over 900 pages of expert testimony.
And when the college saw this, they bolted.
They realized that their one expert witness
who really wasn't an expert in any of the areas
that he claimed to be an expert of
was hopelessly outranked, outclassed, outgunned.
And so they applied for something called judicial notice.
So for those of you who don't know what judicial notice is,
it's a weird Canadian legal principle
where a court can declare that certain facts
are irrefutable or uncontestable.
And it's usually to just simplify judicial processes
where there's certain things you just don't need to prove.
But this had been massively misused during the pandemic.
They would say, the fact that Health Canada
approved these shots is the evidence
that they're safe and effective.
Therefore, we will take that on judicial notice
because we know they're safe and effective.
But my lawyer was brilliant enough because he knew
that what the college's lawyers were trying to do
was to stop this evidence of harm
from getting to this disciplinary panel.
And the way they were gonna stop that
was by asking them to grant judicial notice
so that those expert testimonies
couldn't be submitted as court documents.
And if they had granted judicial notice,
I would not have been able to testify in my own defense
and nor would any of these eight expert witnesses.
And again, I was on my knees praying that this group
would turn out to be honest people,
that they would turn out to be truthful and just.
And my lawyer, Lee Turner, used this opportunity
in his response to their application for judicial notice
to put in large portions of these people's expert testimonies
into his response for why you should not
grant judicial notice for this.
In other words, getting this evidence of harm
before this panel, and it worked.
They did not grant judicial notice
to anything that we didn't agree with.
Of course, they mix in a whole lot of things.
There's some things that we would not have any
difference of opinion about,
but they mix in safe and effective
with other things that we would agree with.
So, and that's one of their ways of doing it anyway.
So when the college failed to get judicial notice,
failed to block the evidence, failed to bury the evidence,
they then said, okay, well, we're gonna reschedule
the trial, but they scheduled it for a time
when they knew my lawyer could not be present.
They knew, they purposely scheduled it at time,
and they said to me, I just need to get another lawyer.
And I said, I cannot get another lawyer.
This is a highly, highly complicated case.
And so I objected.
I said, this is very unfair.
I cannot get another lawyer at this late stage.
And so fortunately, once again, this disciplinary panel
who I had prayed so much for was just and fair and said,
okay, Dr. Hoff is entitled to choose his legal counsel.
We will schedule at a time when his lawyer is present.
And when that happened, the college just dropped everything
because they did not want this evidence to come out.
So these are all of the legal tactics that they've used
to try and pervert justice,
starting with trying to just discredit me
as a spreader of misinformation,
using me as a scapegoat.
And one of the reasons that the college has given
for why they dropped the charges
is that they say this has already fulfilled its purpose
to act as a deterrent to other doctors
against spreading misinformation.
In other words, this is to shut down freedom of speech.
And we now have this law in place in British Columbia
called the HPOA, the Health Practitioners and Occupations Act.
And under this law, if a doctor is guilty of misinformation,
the fine is $200,000 plus six months in jail
for misinformation.
So what is misinformation?
We'd never heard of it before this pandemic.
It's simply disagreeing with the government
is misinformation.
It's arbitrary.
It's arbitrary and it can change.
Obviously, if in February 2022,
they issued the citation against me for misinformation
and then they dropped the citation in February 2025,
somehow what was misinformation in 2022
is no longer misinformation in February 2025.
That shows how arbitrary it is that they drop everything.
So I'd be open to questions about anything,
but this just shows the tactics and the corruption
and the levels that these people will go to
to control the medical profession
because they have weaponized healthcare
and we need to stand up against it.
So I'd be happy to field any questions.
Charles, we've got questions.
Thank you so much for sharing your truth.
This, don't forget to save the chat
because there's wonderful comments there supporting you.
Before we go to Stephen,
who will have his traditional 15 minutes,
could you just remind us all of the,
it seems the global connection or the global organization
that helps medical boards do what they do.
What's it called?
It's the federal group.
Someone will know, I just can't quite remember the name.
All medical boards are linked to a global federation.
Well, it's the Federation of State Medical Boards in the US.
Is that what you mean?
Yes, it is.
And I think there's a global one as well, John.
Have you heard of that, Charles?
There is one, Charles.
Yeah, I can't remember the name for it.
So if someone could put that in the chat,
it's useful to know because these tactics
that you are talking about, Charles,
see, one of the issues that I said right at the start
with John Rappaport, he said, name names.
And one of the issues is the pervert,
perverting the course of justice
is the behavior of the members of the medical board.
And they get away as being not known.
They, you know, I'm not telling you,
I'm just saying that it is,
we must as freedom fighters understand
that we have to take action
against the members of the medical board personally.
And I understand how difficult that is,
but I'll bring that to your attention, Charles,
and everyone's attention,
because they have behaved criminally
because it's a criminal offense
to pervert the course of justice.
So that's the thought I would wish to share, Charles.
Any comments, and then we'll go to Stephen.
No, let's go to Stephen.
Good.
So Charles, I thought it was,
you know, I'd forgotten about the D-dimer stuff.
And then while you were talking, I remembered it.
And I was going to kind of interrupt at an earlier stage,
but then you did mention it.
And I realized you were coming,
you said, you thought it was Sucreit-Bacti.
So it was Sucreit-Bacti.
He was the one, if you remember.
So I managed to persuade Sucreit-Bacti to,
eventually there were three letters
to the European Medicines Agency.
And I keep pointing to these letters.
They're extremely important,
but hardly anybody follows up and looks,
because it's all laid out there, you know.
So Sucreit was saying, Stephen, there's no point, you know.
There's no point in doing it.
They're not going to do anything.
I said, that's not the point, Sucreit.
The point is that if we have a letter,
which we know they've been sent,
we had them, I can't remember how we sent them now
by personal courier or whatever,
and it was all recorded.
And then they can't say they didn't know.
And this was early in 2021, Charles.
And Sucreit was saying, oh no, no point, Stephen.
It's absolutely pointless.
I was saying, no, Sucreit,
because I knew that he had the information
that we needed to get down on paper
and that it was very important
that we had it very early on, you know, early 2021.
So like three months or two months even
after the shots were rolled out in the UK,
I think it was first, on the 8th of December, 2020.
Two, a guy called William Shakespeare, believe it or not.
I mean, you know, this was clear,
I was thinking to myself,
what are the chances of someone being called
William Shakespeare, you know, these days in England,
and the first patient who had the AstraZeneca shot
in the United Kingdom, in the whole world,
on the 8th of December, 2020, was in the UK,
and his name was William Shakespeare.
I've never been able to verify that.
But I just thought it was extraordinary detail, you know?
And so these people, I absolutely agree with you, Charles,
that the only explanation for the behavior we saw in 2020,
2021, 2022, with America closed
until the 11th of May, 2023, from October, 2021.
So medical apartheid in the United States of America,
and I am a big fan of Trump at the moment,
because he gives us all hope and we need him,
we need hope, but he never mentions this medical apartheid,
which existed in the United States of America,
of all countries, for 17 months,
from October, 2021, till May, 2023,
and let no one in the world ever forget that fact.
So Charles, I think you're a hero.
You know, at the time, we were all struggling
with our different realities in different countries
and different circumstances.
Someone wrote in the chat,
I remember the desperate time
when you were being attacked from all fronts,
and then you found you were being attacked by your own wife.
And I just thought, and somebody wrote in the chat,
I'm just trying to find it.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I can't find it.
I'll find it later.
Oh, I wouldn't wish a cruel divorce on my worst enemy.
Absolutely.
So in a time when the whole world was in turmoil
and you were as affected as I, trying to make sense of it,
you suddenly had your wife turning on you,
and yeah, issuing a cruel divorce.
I wouldn't wish a cruel divorce on my worst enemy.
I remember at the time, Charles,
I was just overwhelmed with sadness for you,
but you've really recovered, and we have both survived.
So that's good.
But I think the time with doctors for COVID ethics,
I've forgotten all that.
And so you were the first doctor in the world,
as far as I know, who was doing D-dymers
to prove the link between, in your own patients,
between clots, sorry, the formation of clots
due to the vaccination.
And that information was from Sukrit Bhakti
and maybe Michael Palmer, I think, to be fair.
So anyway, what else do I need to say?
So-
Yeah, after that, after I spoke about the D-dimer,
then doctors all over the world started doing D-dymers
on people with vaccine injuries,
even if it didn't look like a clot,
and finding that almost every vaccine injured patient
had hugely elevated D-dymers.
But the problem with the D-dimer
is you've got to do it fairly soon after the vaccine injury.
If you do it months later,
it's not gonna be meaningful because it goes back to normal.
Even though the clot and the damage is still there,
the D-dimer doesn't stay elevated for a long time.
So that's why, in my patients, we decided eight days,
we'd do a cutoff of eight days,
but you could have probably done longer than that.
Yeah, so Sukrit Bhakti was talking
about central venous sinus thrombosis.
And I knew about CVST from radiology.
And so he predicted, brilliantly, he predicted,
as you said, he said the endothelium,
and he said that the places of minimum blood flow,
such as the central venous sinus of the brain,
would be where he would expect problems.
So we managed, I encouraged him to write a third letter
to the European Medicines Agency,
and he and I did it over the phone.
So I was kind of picking his brains and writing it down.
And we managed to get this,
so he predicted that anybody with headache
should be investigated for, sorry, he didn't predict,
he hypothesized that anybody with headache
should not be just following a vaccination,
shouldn't be dismissed as nothing dangerous,
that it's only a headache,
because every headache should be investigated
for the existence of a central venous sinus thrombosis,
which is a very, very dangerous diagnosis, as you know.
So anyway, I just wonder, Charles,
so we're both doctors.
And I think that, you know,
I think you probably would agree with me,
but maybe you haven't thought of it,
but I think you did hint at it earlier.
So in my opinion, people talk about the shots, you know,
they think it's all about the shots,
the damage that was done,
when I think as a medical doctor
that what we should be seeing as doctors
is that people were terrified.
They were terrified out of their minds.
And guess what, Charles,
I think they've got Stockholm syndrome,
and that's why you can't get through to them.
So, and even people like you and me, you know,
we understood what was going on or had a good idea,
but we thought we were immune from the psychological torture
that was being inflicted on people all over the world,
because we understood the medicine,
we thought, oh, you know, we can't,
we're not gonna be affected by this psychological torture.
But I began to realize that I wasn't functioning
as well as I had been.
And then I started looking at people around me,
and I started to think, you know,
are these people functioning
as they probably were before 2020?
And I concluded that they weren't.
And so I think that we still haven't understood
the totality of what went wrong in 2020,
but it wouldn't be surprising, would it,
if you think about it,
that if you break people's habits,
if you isolate them as they did,
isolated human beings,
that that was intended to break human beings.
And I think the best way to break human beings
is to isolate them.
And the lockdowns were about isolation,
and they knew that people who instigated these things,
they knew that they would cause incredible harm,
and that is evil, and we need to hold them to account,
and I'm sure you'd agree with that,
but maybe you've got some comments.
Yeah, you know, isolating people
and telling them they can't go to work,
where all they've got is their television,
and then you relentlessly feed them through that,
that's their social contact,
it was amazingly effective.
And, you know, for,
because of course fear makes people irrational,
makes fear, it amazed me,
the number of people that,
patients I had who were vaccine injured,
and would go off to get their next shot.
And I'd say to them, but what happened?
And the trouble is they were so terrified of COVID,
that they were more scared of COVID than the shots.
Sure.
And I was just astounded at the power of fear,
and how, I mean, we saw people change,
I mean, people that treated family members
with the most incredible cruelty out of fear.
They became completely irrational,
they just, their personalities changed
through the power of fear.
So I think they intentionally
raped the souls of human beings,
and people used to tell me off for using the word rape,
you know, they also used to tell me off
for saying crimes against humanity, you know,
and the Nuremberg code and stuff like that, you know,
and I don't think they understood the seriousness,
or had even begun to understand the seriousness
of what happened, you know,
to close down the whole damn world
because of a stupid little infection was pathetic,
and it was evil personified.
And I was also criticized for using the word evil.
But Charles, thank you so much,
it's great to see you again.
And I can recognize some of the names on the call
from those times, you know,
when we were all trying to work it out together,
and it just shows the bond that we have with each other.
And it's nice now because we're slightly more relaxed
than we were, but there's still a lot of work to do,
I'm sure you'd agree.
Thank you, Stephen.
Time and truth go hand in hand.
What did you say?
I said time and truth go hand in hand.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
Beautifully put.
Okay, thank you, Stephen.
All right, we've got a string of hands up.
Winston from your current home country, Charles,
from Canada.
Hi.
Can you hear me?
Yep. Yes.
Yep.
I, first of all, want to let everybody know
that I am now in the beautiful West Indies,
but it's not as quiet as you might like.
So you may hear some noise.
I have a guy doing some work outside,
trying to get him to finish, but I'm doing a little longer.
So bear with me.
I want to say to Dr. Hoffman,
I've followed your ODs since they begun,
or they were announced,
and I realize you've been through the wringer.
I want you to know that there are probably a lot of us,
I am certainly one who,
I'm not in favor of what the colleges have done.
Fortunately for me, I got out in 2020
because I would have been in big trouble
because I could not keep my mouth quiet
in deed in terms of what I am aware of.
I wrote at the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario,
of which I was a member,
on at least three occasions with respect
to what was going on and they're not investigating it
and holding doctors accountable, which I find horrible.
So I just want you to know that,
that you were never alone in this.
I'm sure there are lots of other people who felt it.
I don't know what they did.
I could tell you what I did.
And so, well, I'm glad that you've come out on the other side
and I hope it doesn't stop here.
I think that we need to do something to stem this tide.
I was fascinated today by a statement
which I hadn't realized and then I checked with Charles Covis
that in 1990, the United Nations announced,
did I hear it correctly,
that the world population should be reduced
or was that effective 500 million?
That is correct.
That was part of agenda 21,
which was a United Nations statement for their aims
to achieve by the year 2021.
There you go, Winston.
Well, go ahead.
I got to say this is, I don't know how many people
of authority worldwide know of this
because it is nothing less than madness
for people to continue following the United Nations
or any organization that issues that
and it has authority and issues that statement.
And then it's offshoot the World Health Organization.
It is craziness for us to be following anything like that.
I mean, I think that we should somehow attempt
to publicize that.
I don't know that many people know that.
That is, I mean, 1990, it was a world population,
maybe six billion.
You talk about going to 500 million.
Yeah, they wanted to, yeah, it was about five.
And I think it was between five and six billion
at that time and they wanted it to half a billion,
which is 500 million.
Well, yes, and by 2100, not 2021, by 2100.
So in other words, 75 years from now, Winston.
But by any account,
unless you're gonna somehow stop people
from multiplying and living,
what you're saying is we gotta get rid of these people.
Yeah, because we've got 8,000 million at the moment.
So 500 million is 1 20th of that.
So it's a lot of people.
So yeah, that, since 1990,
this is, you're talking about getting rid of human beings.
Sure.
So I'm not surprised that Bill Gates in his Ted talk
spoke of innovating to zero and cutting by 10 to 15%.
I mean, this is craziness
and we still following these people.
So I don't know what we.
So Winston, Winston, Winston, you don't know what to do.
Be inspired by Matt Guthrie and Charles,
this was, he produced the movie,
the movie, follow the silence.
And Winston, he was working on Dale Bigtree's,
The High Wire.
He says, someone's gotta do something about it.
He said, I'm gonna do it.
So Winston, here's a great opportunity,
design a strategy and get some people to work with you
to shine a light on what you've learnt today
about Agenda 21.
I think that's fantastic.
You could just start writing about that one single issue
about what a scandal that is, because I put into the chat,
I first heard Mike Adams talking about this plan some
between 15 and 20 years ago, maybe even longer.
So, but if you talk to anybody about a Depop agenda,
they go, you're a conspiracy theorist.
So Winston, here's an exciting opportunity for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks.
Anyway, Dr. Hoffa, I wanna again thank you
for what you have done and doing.
And as difficult as it is, press on,
you've lost your family in the meantime.
Well, you've got to decide whether the family,
that side of the family is worth it anyway.
If in the height of your difficulty,
you're abandoned with a divorce hearing, that is.
I think there are some people who get help
and some people who get help that really isn't help
that they can do without.
And perhaps you need to see where you're at.
But all the best to you, take care.
The ultimate betrayal.
Right.
Thank you, Winston.
Stephen, we've got a new visitor, Victoria, welcome.
And Victoria shared her story, shared here.
Victoria, welcome.
Hello, thank you so much for having me.
I only came across Karen this afternoon in a WhatsApp group
and she invited me this evening.
I have been in Cornwall with my husband,
banger racing today and I'm a little bit chilly.
So I've got my dressing gown on with my slippers.
I'm gonna keep my camera off, that's okay.
Charles, what can I say?
Just unbelievable hearing your story.
I live over here in the UK and I've been a midwife
in the NHS for six and a half years.
And I pretty much woke up when I went back to work
after having my son.
My son was born on the very first case
that was ever given to the public in the December of 2019.
So I was a vulnerable mum being told by my colleagues
and the NHS fear that this COVID virus
was gonna kill everybody.
It was absolutely horrific.
And I didn't have the right mind space
to think about what was going on.
I was just in that protection mode to protect my baby
and protect my family.
Anyway, when I went back to work in 2020,
I obviously had to have vaccines.
I was mandated to have vaccines.
I had two, but in 2021 and into 2022,
I started noticing an increase in baby deaths
and baby loss, miscarriage rates,
and an increase in blood pressure, preeclampsia,
those sorts of things.
It was just absolutely horrendous.
And unfortunately, I think for the government,
employing women who are critical thinkers to do a degree
was their biggest downfall,
but our most amazing connection to medicine,
because I was able to analyze
what was going on in front of me.
I was able to look at,
I wasn't just a subservient woman
who was dedicated to giving care.
I also had the ability to critically think
about what was going on.
And I was in a matrix, I swear to God.
I was absolutely walking like I was in the middle
of a civil war.
It was horrific.
And I actually got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in 2019
as a 37 year old.
And I thought it was that.
It wasn't, it was the truth that I knew
that my own employer had never provided me
with any substantial evidence
that the vaccines were safe or effective,
and we were pushing this on pregnant women.
The placentas that we were witnessing were calcified.
So we would normally see a calcified placenta
on a mother who was potentially a smoker or a drug user
that was particularly overweight.
But I was seeing these placentas on women
who had normal birth, normal babies.
It just didn't add up.
And then we were seeing the larger numbers of loss.
And I was only working two days a week.
That was enough as a midwife,
working 12 and a half hour shifts without lunch break.
Most shifts was quite horrendous.
So I was seeing loss as an increased rate on my days on
than I was previously when I still worked two days a week.
And I started asking questions about the stillbirth rates.
And I wanted to sort of go to these clinical governance
meetings to work out what was going on
with regards to the stillbirth rates.
But it was all very hush hush.
I actually never ever gave a vaccine to a pregnant woman,
not even a flu or a whooping cough.
I never believed in them.
And as just as time went on, so in 2024, last year,
I'd got to the end of my evidence gathering,
enough of my own visual gathering of evidence
and my experience knocking on every single door
as gently as possible.
I actually left last February, I walked out,
not just because of that, but the safety of women.
We were working on labor ward with two midwives.
So long story short, I blew the whistle
and the director of the hospital rang me and told me
that whistleblowers go missing overnight.
So I believe everything these whistleblowers tell you.
I'm just a standard woman in Devon with four children.
I drive a little Ford Focus and I did no harm and do no harm.
So I can understand why people do not speak up
and do not go down this road.
However, the fertility rates in the UK, as you know,
have dropped 1.44 per woman.
And we've now also got a decrease in birth
for the first time since records began,
which shows that death has overtaken birth
for the first time.
So we're in really, really bad place
with this whole situation.
And it's really, really important.
I have shouted my gob off, sorry to speak that way, on X.
And since January, I have got 20,000 followers,
seven million impressions, and every day I post
about 50 times a day with facts and evidence
and newspaper articles and unsafe practices.
And it's-
Victoria, I think we need to connect you to Jim Thorpe,
who is an obstetrician in America.
Yes, I think he does follow me.
But I just wanted to say, Charles,
thank you for everything you did,
because without people like you at the beginning,
I know I was a little bit late to the show,
but we've all got our own journey.
And if I didn't stay, I would never have seen it.
And everyone says, where's your evidence?
Sorry, it doesn't matter that there's no evidence
because you're hiding that.
It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
And we have to sit and pray that this is a spiritual war,
that you are completely right about the birth.
The birth is a portal to our world.
It's the only way we come in.
And it's the only way to harm it is to harm the vessel
and harm the baby.
So thank you.
Yeah, thank you, Victoria.
I should mention that since this vax rollout,
the live birth rate in Canada has plummeted.
The figures for 2023 are 1.26 for Canada.
1.26.
You know, you need, I think it is 2.1
for the population to be able to sustain itself.
Canada is now at one, instead of two, you know, 2.1,
we're at 1.2.
So it is doomed.
This nation is doomed.
Apparently, once you get below 1.4,
you've reached a point of no return.
You're gonna have demographic collapse.
And so Canada is now almost as bad as Japan
and Italy and Spain, which I think are the three worst,
but we're in there.
And it is since this vaccine rollout.
So sad.
So, so desperately sad.
Victoria, I just wanna follow up.
Sorry, were your midwife colleagues
injecting pregnant women?
You said specifically that you didn't do it,
but were your midwife colleagues doing that?
You're not gonna believe when I tell you this,
that during COVID, midwives over here
are on around about 22 pound an hour.
They were encouraging midwives to become vaccinators
at 33 pound an hour.
So the majority of midwives left to become vaccinators.
One of my very close friends,
she pretty much saved up for her house
by being a vaccinator.
And we don't speak now.
And she absolutely loathes me and says,
I've made her life hell and broken her heart and et cetera.
But yes, so lots and lots of people left
to become vaccinators.
And they're just in this dystopia.
They have no idea what's going on.
They have no idea what they've done.
Or do they?
It's blood money, honestly.
It's like doing abortions for money.
Honestly, that, oh dear.
I pray God would have mercy on them.
So, so awful.
So Victoria, you really need to connect with Jim Thorpe
because he together with one of the people
on the call tonight, who's a very, very able journalist
writer has written a book about what you've been talking
about tonight and his source was a midwife from memory.
And she was also talking about calcified placenta.
The problem is midwives are genuinely very, very subservient
and they do not speak up.
We are the most gag profession.
The news over here is all about women
blaming midwives for the death of their babies,
which in some instances is correct and factually correct.
In other instances, there is no midwives version
of events whatsoever, anywhere.
No, I would say that doctors and midwives
are very, very compliance generally.
Yes.
Not me.
All right.
And Victoria on X, how can people follow you?
Can you put that in the chat, please?
Yes.
I already know the site.
I'll do that.
It's at honest underscore midwife.
Thank you.
Another thing I would observe Victoria about midwives,
I've always felt that they've been on the edge of the NHS.
And now, just now, I've just thought to myself,
I wonder whether that was deliberate,
whether it was by design that the midwives were isolated
from other people working in the NHS,
if you understand what I mean.
Yes, in all honesty, birth is not and should not be
medicalised.
Birth is a natural process.
It's not a medical condition to be pregnant.
And I can just add, men do not have babies.
Of course.
So we're in a really difficult place that maternity is not,
and it should not be classed as alongside the role of a nurse.
It's a completely different entity to care.
But I mean, it's in such a state that it isn't just a such a
state, I actually don't know the answer.
And I do think midwives are a complicit majority of them.
They just put their head down.
And that's why I'm pretty much standing alone at the moment.
And it's been, I mean, I've just been called a baby killer
online last year.
So I've now got a defamation claim in the high court.
So I could have been Lucy Letby, you know,
they could have come and arrested me.
It was awful.
What do you think of the Lucy Letby convictions, by the way,
conviction, do you think it was miscarriage of justice?
Well, I think because I understand how they,
and I was a union representative, I must add.
So I've watched them destroy people's lives
through protecting their own.
I have seen it with my own eyes.
So yes, I think there is something very peculiar.
Now the day texting system that we use over here
where you day text internal themes,
they encourage you to do it.
So then they work out what your themes are,
who's day texting, and then you'll be the next target.
That's how they break you down.
So I think from what I've read that Lucy Letby
might have done some internal day texting about a doctor.
Now those day texts go to quite a high volume of people
within the hospital.
It's about 20 people, it depends where you work.
So they all would have been known,
aware of what Lucy potentially was raising.
And they encourage you to do that.
So it's an entrapment.
So I don't know if she's guilty, but we have to remember,
and at the heart of this, there were babies that were murdered
and those parents have to sit there and then question
the police, the structure, the system,
and they won't understand that.
And that is, it's just such a huge miscarriage of justice,
the whole thing.
It's a mess.
Two and two together, Victoria,
relying on what turned out to be very reliable feelings.
I am a whistleblower myself.
I had a five and a half year case
against the British government.
And it was, the more I realized in the end
that the more right I was, the more likely they would prevent
me from achieving my goal.
Yes.
Which was to win the case, of course.
So eventually I withdrew my own appeal
on access to justice grounds.
So I think I agree with you about whistleblowers.
You can believe everything they say.
Yeah.
And that's why they're so dangerous.
That's why they're so dangerous.
Stephen, before we go on,
Celia Farber is here, Victoria,
and Celia has written, I see in the chat,
a book with Jim Thorpe.
Yeah, I didn't want to mention the name
without her permission, but you probably got it.
So yes, so Celia Farber is a very, very able journalist,
author, and she wrote the book for Jim Thorpe,
and he could have chosen anyone to write that book.
So Victoria, I'd really encourage you
to get in contact with Jim Thorpe,
because you have independent information,
which is tying up exactly as far as I know,
with the information he got from the midwife in America,
who he didn't know.
He didn't know her.
Okay.
So Celia, Celia, would you like to say anything
to add to this conversation,
because Victoria's experience is most relevant?
Yeah, Victoria, God bless you.
Such an absolutely extraordinary presentation,
and my heart is pounding about everything we're hearing.
I've lived it for decades as a journalist
going up against these demons.
I did co-author with James Thorpe.
It came out just a couple of months ago.
It's called Sacrifice, and you can find it on Amazon.
It's how the, what was our book called?
Sacrifice, how the deadliest vaccine in history
targeted the most vulnerable.
And if you'd like to connect with him at all,
be happy to connect to you.
One of the stories I tell from our book,
I believe that history, truth should be told
through human stories.
There is a woman in our book, we didn't interview,
I didn't interview her, because she doesn't talk anymore.
She lost eight babies, eight,
all trimesters, first, second, and third.
She had previously had a healthy pregnancy and delivery.
She has a four-year-old healthy child.
And the in-laws were friends of Dr. Thorpe.
So we connected with them and they told,
one of the things that they talk about,
which I think we all don't talk about quite enough,
is how the silencing works.
Like this family had gotten to the point,
she had said, as she was losing all these babies,
now she was, she had gotten a few vaccines.
I don't know exactly how many.
She didn't really want to, but she was talked into it.
So she had a previously healthy child.
And then she starts losing these babies,
at least one set of twins.
And the last loss was pretty much at delivery.
So eight babies lost.
And she stopped being able to talk at all.
She kind of went into a shell
that was just totally non-verbal.
And she instructed the whole family,
don't say anything.
I'm not gonna tell you when I'm pregnant.
You can't have any information.
So the whole family on all sides is now in this strange,
grief-racked silence where they just can't really talk at all.
And I just, that's like a,
it's just something that doesn't get talked about a lot.
What happens to the whole family?
Yeah, it's, I can't tell you how many dead babies
I've held in my hands, all gestations.
And that cry from a woman, it's so,
I can't, it's like nothing you've ever heard.
Crime evil is the word.
Yes, yes.
But it's like-
Yes, it must be otherworldly.
It's so out of body.
And you almost say, I hope I never have to feel
what that feels like.
Yeah, I think it is the apex of the evil
or the nadir or whatever the word is of the evil,
because the hope of life and the joy is so high
when a woman is pregnant.
It's so evil.
It's incomprehensible.
I mean, I've had four children.
So I've walked each type of delivery
and I've also had a home birth.
So I'm a believer in medicine.
We need acute medicine 100%.
We do need that, but we do not need birth
to be medicalized at all.
People have been shouting about this for decades.
To be honest, I'm still trying to get my head around
how I get this, to keep me safe,
but to get my voice because it's working
outside the House of the Parliament without getting arrested.
And I somehow just shout the hell out of all of this.
I mean, I'm saying things like they are selling placentas
and stem cells for 50,000 pounds.
Wow.
Well, Celia, what you were talking about
last time we talked, that was very, very,
I'm not gonna mention it now,
if you don't want to mention it, but that was very, very-
I just don't remember.
What did we talk about?
Lennart Nilsson.
Oh, oh, oh sure.
Do you want me to, okay.
So yeah, Lennart Nilsson was a huge international,
iconic, famous photographer who came out in the,
it must've been the 1960s,
with a book called A Child is Born,
I think was the English translation.
I'm half Swedish and grew up in Sweden.
And can you all picture this?
It was these images of the babies,
what we thought was gestating in the womb and how they grew.
And so it was like supposed to be this spectacular,
innovative photography in the womb.
If you're all, if you can picture that,
if you know what I'm talking about,
it was the biggest selling photography book in the world.
It was connected to Carolinia
and the Nobel Institute and the whole nine yards.
Well, it came to light fairly recently in Sweden
through his stepdaughter that the babies were not alive.
He had, Sweden was at the forefront of abortion
in the world, which is predictable for the way Sweden is.
And they had so many abortions that weren't being done
in the rest of the world.
And the Swedish medical system,
which was connected to the Royal Family
and the Nobel committee and Karolinska and all of that said,
well, let's bring in a photographer.
And they wanted to kind of scientize
or do something with all of these.
Sorry, this is so ghoulish, but all these fetuses.
So they realized that if they put them in it,
they were in jars that were lit up.
They were in jars.
And the whole world believed
that these were gestating babies.
So I wrote a story about it on my sub stack.
I'm really shocked by it.
I think it's...
I mean, this goes a lot deeper than I think
when I was listening to the call before
and we're talking about this very biblical religious.
If you think before Big Pharma, whatever these monsters are,
battle monster, whatever you wanna call them, I don't know.
I'm still working through a lot of those
through my own prayer or meditation.
However, I get through this,
but it makes sense why there is such a battle
for delayed core clamping.
Why are we arguing over clamping a core?
Well, they want the stem cells.
They want the placenta cells.
Why do stem cells researchers still walk
into labor war during COVID when women were laboring alone
because they couldn't have a mother there or a partner?
None of them need logical sense
in my critical analytical brain.
So for me, I realized this is not just as we see it,
as you just going and having a baby,
there is a huge agenda behind birth.
And it goes back, you could even go back
and pick up a book from the 14, 1500s of the witch trials,
the church forcing women to only have their babies
under the care of the church and not anybody else.
No women, no doulas, no wise women.
50,000 women and men and children were burnt across Europe
for over 300 years for being and healers.
This has been going on.
So what I think-
Charles, we've forgotten our guest.
We haven't forgotten-
Sorry.
That's right.
Sorry, Charles, sorry.
No, no, don't apologize.
I asked Celia to make herself known
because we have to come back to Charles.
We've got hands up.
I'll be quick Charles,
but I just wanted to also say to Charles himself,
thank you so much.
God bless you.
Your story is extraordinary.
And I had a question.
May I Charles real quick for Dr. Hoff?
Is it Hoff or Hoffy?
How do you pronounce it?
Charles, your video is off.
I don't know whether you are there
or whether you're having a break maybe, I don't know.
Okay, maybe he's taking a break.
I was just wondering,
maybe somebody else will bring this up,
but the impact of this kind of blighting attack
on a pure-hearted, pure-minded dissident
such as Dr. Hoff.
Here is Charles now, he's back.
So-
Hi, I'm just so,
I have so much respect.
And what I was thinking
as you were telling your unbelievable story
is about the aftermath of it all
and how you discovered that there was even the close,
the person who's supposed to be the closest one to you,
your wife, was somehow co-opted by the dark forces
and turned against you.
So I wondered something about the aftermath,
how you have, what you have learned, how you have fared,
how has it been for you to come out of all of this?
You're muted Charles, you're muted.
Okay, yeah, thank you.
This is a spiritual war.
And the fact that they are,
this is a war against humanity
and it's a war against the family.
And I think that's why they're going for children,
because children are the future of humanity.
And so,
I just see all of this,
whether it is the betrayal by my wife
and the betrayal of ethical doctors
by their licensing authorities
and the persecution of those that speak truth
and saying that they're speaking misinformation.
You know, the Bible says,
woe to those who call what is good evil
and what is evil good.
I mean, they have turned truth on its head.
And those that spread the most misinformation,
most misinformation accuse other people
of doing exactly what they're doing,
which is spreading misinformation.
But this is a global,
this is a satanic attack.
And the level of deception and division and hatred
that we've seen within families, within friendships,
people have just had their lives torn apart
in the last five years
in a way that we have never seen before.
And so I think there's a huge spiritual component to this.
And so how have I fared?
I have fared because I have a strong faith in God.
And I truly believe
that evil does not have a free rein,
that God is in control
and he will allow a certain amount of evil
within limits for a certain amount of time
and he will hold people accountable.
And so I don't have fear
because I don't feel that the evil is out of control.
I believe that God limits it.
And I think sometimes God gives
godless nations, godless rulers.
And that's what we've had in Canada.
I mean, we've had Trudeau for nine years.
I mean, he's the most evil, dishonest person imaginable,
but I think he was God's judgment upon Canada
because Canada had shaken its fist at God.
Canada aborts 100,000 babies a year.
Canada now is the world leader in euthanasia,
getting rid of the disabled and the elderly and the sick
to save healthcare dollars.
I think up until the end of 2023,
they had killed 60,000 people.
Doctors aren't supposed to kill their patients.
And so they're killing the most vulnerable,
which are the babies in the womb
and the frail and the disabled and the elderly.
Everything has been turned on its head,
but I see a big spiritual component to this.
All right, Celia, thank you for the question.
And that's why we come to these meetings
and people watching this recording,
to be reminded of what we need to be doing
because there's a deeply spiritual front
to this whole exercise.
And of course, it makes wonderful stuff
to be talking about the complexity of how these jabs work
in the meantime killing babies.
And in Australia, every state now allows
full term abortions, but if you raise that, Charles,
this is the attack, I'm wondering if it happens in Canada.
In Australia, if you say, sorry,
most people are totally unaware
that you can have full term abortions
and Victoria has pointed out to us why, of course,
the sale of body parts, the sale of stem cells,
and people are horrified.
I've had fights with highly intelligent people
who don't believe me that you can do this.
I know you've got to get all sorts of approval,
that bullshit, and it is as evil as it comes.
And if you raise it, they then go,
oh, you're a far right Christian activist.
You know, that's the attack.
So everyone, please be aware of it
and look in your own country,
what are the rules around full term abortions, full term,
not just first trimester, it is evil incarnate.
So thank you, Celia, for that.
We've got to keep moving on to questions
and we're finishing in 40 minutes.
So, Gary.
Yeah, hi, Dr. Hoff.
Oh gosh, unlike you, usually I like to avoid characterizing
because it's like judgment, but I'm going to make an exception.
You're a bright and gifted speaker, unlike me.
But you came onto my radar when someone
forwarded a message from Roger Hodgkinson
to the associated group on Telegram,
Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics on Telegram,
which I invite you and everyone else to join.
We have 355 people there, not a lot of discussion,
but some of them are just quiet.
But if you could, I know you're on Telegram
because I see you there, but Roger,
or post, you were, first of all, just really quickly,
do you speak with Roger Hodgkinson?
Roger Hodgkinson, I think it is not Hodgkinson,
it's Hodgkinson.
Yes, occasionally, I don't have a lot of communication
with him, occasionally I've spoken with him.
Okay, and he had a video there where you're speaking at CHD
and Catherine Austin Fitz is in the thumbnail,
in a thumbnail there on the video.
And he typed up, I guess, something that you said,
I knew they wanted to reduce the population,
they've been very clear about that,
and the COVID jab mandates in square brackets made no sense.
So clearly they wanted to reduce fertility,
there's no other logical reason to vaccinate
all these university students.
So I'm curious to know how, since it seems to me,
and to me, I'm like Forrest Gump,
you know, I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.
In my case, I'm not a good speaker,
but I know what the COVID scam really is.
It's the fertility stupid that for some of you,
you're too young to understand that reference,
it goes way back to when Clinton was running for president.
But I have this Asperger's thing going on
where I can lock out the whole rest of the world
for two weeks and just totally deep dive on something.
So I got some, for some reason onto that,
I'm wondering how you came around,
I have boatloads of notes that I'd love to share with you,
you're in BCM in Seattle, so we're in the same time zone.
Please, can I have a time between you and you and I
to talk on the phone or on Zoom or on Telegram or something
so I could share some of these notes?
How did you notice the fertility thing?
Do you remember that came onto your radar?
Well, I was aware of it from agenda 21 initially,
and I knew that the Georgia Guidestones
said exactly the same thing, that whoever put the,
they mysteriously appeared and then mysteriously disappeared
about a decade later, I don't know how long
the Georgia Guidestones were there,
but they also mentioned that the world's population
needed to be reduced to 500 million.
And the United Nations has repeated it again
in agenda 2030.
So, and apparently according to the,
they've taken that now off the internet, that part,
but people that have the original version of agenda 2030,
it was in there to reduce the world,
but I think they now, you know,
they'll usually give you a little glimpse
of what they're doing and then they hide it again.
So I had known about this United Nations wish
to reduce the world's population
and had wondered how they would do it.
And, you know, HIV, which is another laboratory virus
with a patent on it, had I think only killed about 35 million.
So it hadn't done much, but I really thought
that they would do it through vaccinations
because Bill Gates had said they were gonna do it
with vaccinations and they had done it five times before
to reduce fertility in other countries,
they're in various different places.
And so, you know, getting back to one of the first things
I said that the strongest predictor of future behavior
is past behavior.
Look what they did in the past and realize
that they'll quite likely do that again.
And vaccines I think are a very good way of doing it
because you coerce people with fear and you believe,
you tell them that this will keep them safe,
but meanwhile, it's a Trojan horse
that has got something else in it that they don't know about.
Yeah, well, I wanna give you the information I have
that leads to the notion, my theory,
that Pfizer and Moderna shots, two initial shots
followed by boosters every six months to a year,
those match mammal sterilization
called porcine zona pellucida.
And then the J&J and AstraZeneca shots,
single initial injection followed by boosters
every six months to a year,
match the animal sterilization called gonicon.
And so I have all those notes I'd like to share with you
sometime if I can please.
And thank you very much for your time.
Other hands up.
All right, we'll make that happen.
We'll make that happen.
So Gary, if you can't, if Dr. Hoff doesn't wanna put
his email address in the chat,
you can email me or Charles
and we'll get it to Charles Hoff.
Thanks, we'll link you guys.
I'm trying to find out,
how do I put a general message in the chat?
I'm locked on a direct message.
How do I change it to?
No, just click on the down, hang on, Stephen,
click on the down arrow, Charles.
The down arrow, okay.
On the name.
Oh, on the name, okay.
Ah, okay, okay, okay, good.
Yeah, great.
Stephen, Stephen, we just, two of us giving instructions
at the same time doesn't work.
Okay, okay.
Absolutely.
I've put my email address in the chat.
It doesn't work at all, I agree, Charles.
Okay, Charles's address is there.
Gary, so all of you please share relevant information.
Thank you, Gary.
JB.
JB, then, JB from Massachusetts,
and Theresa, Therese from Australia,
then Jim from East Coast of America,
and Lex from Canada.
We've got four more,
and then we're finishing in half an hour.
Go, John.
All right, thank you.
I'll try to go quickly.
Hi, Dr. Hoff.
Just to clear up something, Charles,
from earlier, the Federation of State Medical Boards
is an NGO, and they kind of gather together
all the medical certification boards,
which is different from the licensing boards.
In the United States, we have a two kind of tier system.
One is the governmental bodies.
Every state has state licensing boards.
So they license the doctors, the lawyers,
the funeral directors,
and they have control over them in that manner.
If anybody steps on a line, they'll pull their license.
The board certifications,
you can't really work in a hospital without a, say,
American Board of Internal Medicine certification.
And since they instituted the,
you have to re-up every 10 years.
So you have to take the test again,
and it costs like three, four grand to take the test.
So they've created an annuity cash business
through the Federation of,
well, through the American Board of Internal Medicine,
but there are many others.
American Board of Family Medicine,
pediatrics, and everything.
They all agree.
But, John, Charles is talking about an international body,
which all these regulatory bodies belong to
without us being aware.
At least I wasn't aware of it.
Yeah, it's a RICO crime organization is what it is.
And I was just gonna explain how the money comes up,
but we could set that aside
so I can get to Dr. Hoff here.
But, John, I think you were talking about just America,
and I'm saying it's international.
That's the point.
Oh, but I wanted to say that we have two separate things.
So there's the certification boards
that's not the government.
And you don't have to bow to them
except that the hospitals won't let you operate.
You can't sign out a room for surgery.
And they attack you with two different points.
What Charles is talking about, John,
I don't think you quite understand.
So it was the regulatory bodies are beholden
to this worldwide regulator body regulator, if you like.
Yeah, but American states would never bow down
to some international body.
The other states are sovereign.
I'm not saying they would,
but the point is that it exists,
and we didn't know about this.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought everything.
Okay, now I get it.
Yeah.
All right, so the CVSTs, big,
I mean, just look at the second chapter in my book.
There was a number,
Eden McDonald was 17 years old, had a CVST.
That was right after the shot.
Started with a headache, headache got worse,
went to the doctor twice,
here, take some Tylenol, go home.
So she got her second shot.
She had a CVST and died.
Diane Dubois was 60.
It doesn't say CVST.
It only says intracranial hemorrhage
in the setting of thrombocytopenia,
but it was probably a CVST or close to it.
12 year old Amaya,
Sarah Beller, tonsil and bilateral uncle herniation.
You're talking all kind of the same things going on.
And then of course, Breonna McCarthy
with the ischemic stroke,
which was headache right after Moderna,
went to the emergency room,
emergency department twice.
They sent her home.
We're treating COVID patients here, go home.
Didn't recognize her sister, full-blown stroke.
They tried to craniotomy when the family brought her in
because she didn't recognize her sister.
She died.
It said that she died from COVID.
COVID caused the stroke.
But through my book and the father complaining to the state
after three years,
they finally added the vaccine as cause of death.
Now over to Charles.
Charles, your charter rights,
section seven, section 15 were violated
and you have remedy through, I believe section 24.
And the CPSO or whichever region you're in,
the college that you're in,
they're acting as a state act.
The way Canada is set up,
they're not the government,
but they are empowered through an act from the government.
So they're a state actor.
Have you considered suing them,
if only for declaratory relief,
but because they did not act in good faith,
you can get them personally for pecuniary, for money,
a financial tort lawsuit.
In addition to that, there's malicious prosecution.
Have you considered going on offense?
No, I haven't.
You know, I'm not a fighter.
I'm a very, sort of a gentle, quiet person that,
you know, I just did, I followed my conscience
and I sort of fought for patient safety and medical ethics.
But I, yeah, I don't know, you know,
and I've never, I've never wanted to try and,
although, I mean, I truly believe in justice
and accountability, that people who do wrong things
should be held accountable.
But, but-
I understand.
You don't have to.
And unfortunately, it seems like the charter in Canada,
the courts don't seem to support it.
They say, no, no, there's been an emergency, you know,
so it's sort of set aside
because we've had this terrible pandemic, you know?
And so unfortunately, the biggest problem seems to be
that the justice system is no longer just.
It seems to have also been captured to some degree.
Yeah, I think that the hardest part would be finding a lawyer
who would go against the system
because they'd try to take his license
for even going against the system.
That's what's happening in Massachusetts.
I think we'll talk about, I think Tuesday, maybe, Stephen.
I'll talk about that here.
But yeah, the problem is unless we punch them in the mouth,
they're gonna keep being bullies.
And nobody's punching them in the mouth.
So-
And I've got, you know, Michael Alexander might be good,
Charles, you know, John.
And it could be that it could, you know,
he's a lawyer in Canada.
I'm sure you've heard of Michael Alexander, Charles.
Yes, yes, I have.
And in fact, so he was the lawyer
that started off defending me.
And so he was the one that I,
so he's a constitutional lawyer.
So he probably would be good for that
because that's his field of expertise.
But that, so I started off with him and then realized
that I needed somebody who was more in tune
with how these colleges work
and more in tune with medical legal things
rather than just constitutional issues.
Yeah, the problem is when you get into the behaviors
of people and try to traverse the line,
figure out how do we stop this,
unless you make it personal to the individuals,
they're gonna hide behind the state.
Okay, the state did this to me
or the province did this to me.
You have to name somebody and go after them personally
to make sure that they're not gonna do it again.
Otherwise, maybe their cash, their fortune,
their family might be affected.
Until then, they all government people
just hide behind the government and say,
oh, I have immunity.
And they would say that they have immunity.
They would use that card.
But like I said, they have to show
that you would have to know
that they were acting in good faith,
which I believe you probably have a decent amount
of evidence to that.
So anyway, just gotta check in.
Excellent points, John.
Agreed, we've gotta keep moving.
And Charles, there you are.
Fire a little bit.
Charles, we can put you in contact with John.
If you're interested.
So just email me and I can put you in contact with John.
No problem.
Oh, he's presenting to us next,
is this Sunday or Tuesday?
John, I can't remember now.
I think you said this Tuesday, no?
Oh, this Tuesday, yes, that's right.
So in two days time, yes.
So John is extraordinary.
So he was in Massachusetts.
Guess what?
Charles, he isn't a doctor
and he got all the death certificates in Massachusetts.
And then having done that in Massachusetts
and realized how important that was
because he got the official causes of death, you know?
And then he teamed up with the Bears guy, Charles.
We'll get all that on Tuesday.
So be there, Charles, it's useful.
So we've got Therese, then Lex, then Jim,
because for some reason, Zoom is stuffing up the order.
Therese, you're next.
But he's great on the law as well, Charles.
So I recommend you get in contact with him.
So I'd like to thank both the Charles's.
Charles in Canada, I actually used your information
and managed by truly the grace of God
to get it to some of our military,
some of the junior ones,
which is actually probably better than the senior ones.
And it was just amazing.
I had been working for Jetson Pharmaceuticals
during the pandemic and I was put on the spot and asked,
is there any problems with the COVID vaccine?
And this was a paramedic.
And I said, look, there has been a blood clot.
And I quoted Robert F. Kennedy's side.
I got sacked from Jetson Pharmaceuticals here in Sydney
for that.
I've had a long, and Charles can verify Charles from Sydney,
he can verify I've had significant attack on my character,
a possible attempt to try to stitch me up
in the mental health system,
which is still a bit ongoing.
And I would love to talk to John,
because I agree, John,
that we need to speak out and name these people.
And that's sort of if I'm brave enough
where I might go next,
but they've made sure I don't have the money to do that,
which is disappointing, but there we go.
I always look at what's the next thing.
So because I'm a diabetes nurse educator,
I'm aware we're having a bit of a pandemic
in type 1 diabetes.
And back in, oh goodness, it was maybe 2017,
Murdoch Press, I believe, or Murdoch Research Institute
published information showing two vaccines
that might've been the meningococcal or pneumococcal,
that they walk into these schools
and they inject people with.
They said that one of them was protective
against type 1 diabetes.
So I went out and did a contact with politicians
and said, look, come on,
the Amish don't even get type 1 diabetes overly.
So obviously they're both causative.
One causes it more than the other.
That was buried.
Our politician, Greg Hunt, the head of our health,
went to New South Wales University
and they funded research to try to find a vaccine.
Now all the information about the connection
between type 1 diabetes and viruses
has gone from the internet.
So basically I was told probably 2011
that they believe by top endocrinologists
that he thought that over vaccination
was actually causative for type 1 diabetes
that it weakens the immune system.
That's a very long story with an interviewer
if anyone wants to interview me about that one.
And Charles has, so thank you to Charles Gavassas
because he's amazing.
So basically the next thing along with,
basically we have a midwife here,
what we're seeing is type 1 diabetes coming up
there is actually a cure,
a treatment for newly diagnosed type 1 diabetics
that's coming out of Europe.
And that's even being hidden.
And again, I'd like to talk to people about that one.
So there was a reversal for newly diagnosed type 1 diabetes.
But again, with what Charles from Canada did
at the very beginning, you gave me so much hope.
You know, it was really difficult.
I've been sat from chance that I'm sitting in my room
all by myself, all my family think I'm completely nuts.
And so it was really good to see that sort of
information research coming out.
It gave me so much hope.
Charles, I'm so sorry to hear what happened with your wife
but it is a spiritual war and Charles Gavassas can verify.
I'm actually, now put it in the chat.
I'm the only person in Australia who has won
medical and religious human rights
in the human rights commission.
I did that because it didn't cost me too much.
But the only one, I won't say that I'm the only person
who's trying to say it costs a whole lot to do these
cases that doesn't.
And again, I had the solicitor do pro rata.
But the attack on my character has been huge.
Trying to get a job.
You know, I literally got told I'm not qualified enough
to be a diabetes educator in a small country town
where my mum's cousin worked.
And yet I was the diabetes educator
for the Australian College of Nursing.
So they're having a lot of trouble trying to pin me down
because not being able to do my job
because I was the educator.
All right, Therese, we've got to move.
Thank you, yes.
You have, you have, you have dispersed my character.
You said I'm from Sydney.
No, I'm from Melbourne.
From Melbourne, sorry.
From Australia.
Yes, how dare I?
Thank you, thank you, Therese.
And Charles Hoff, it's a great example of, you know,
none of us know the impact, all the impacts that we have,
the ripples in the pond.
So Therese is a lovely example of your wonderful work
as many people have already said on here.
So thank you, Therese, for sharing.
And that's very important information, everybody.
Observe data on diabetes type one, type one diabetes.
And Bobby Bounds might have some interesting data on that.
Maybe John.
All right, next. Charles, what's wrong with Sydney?
Go on, what's the first thought that comes into your head?
What's wrong with Sydney?
Full of wankers.
I'll do a full presentation.
And as they say in the classics,
no, I've got a rude joke about that,
but we won't talk about wankers.
No, Anders, we haven't got time.
We're going to Lex, then Jim.
Charles, do you like the Opera House in Sydney?
I do, love the Opera House.
All right.
So we're going to Lex, then Jim, then Stephen.
We're finishing in 20 minutes.
So Lex, where's Jim gone?
The evidence that was going to surface
in the Charles Hoff trial, Lee Turner,
when he took over the case,
he filed a FOIA request with Public Health Service Authority,
which is a public health body in British Columbia.
And the request was asking for all the information
on AEFI's adverse effect following an immunization.
And the answer came back around June, 2024.
And it's about 1,300 pages of data.
And I went through it thoroughly.
And I wrote substack on it.
And I'm going to drop the link in the chat.
And that's the first, that's called part one.
And there will be like maybe four, five more posts
coming out of that FOIA request.
And that can explain like the evidence
that they didn't want to see.
Thank you.
Lex, I seem to remember, but maybe I've got mixed up,
but, and you don't need to talk about it
if you don't want to, but I seem to remember
you had problems with your wife as well, or ex-wife, was it?
No, no, no, no, we're still married.
She, well, she's a nurse in British Columbia.
And in British Columbia, we had brutal COVID-19 vaccine
mandates on healthcare workers,
all until July 25th, 2024, just last summer.
And that was lifted.
And then she went back to work in September, 2024.
And that's the story.
Bonnie Henry, the medical,
the provincial medical health officer of British Columbia
imposed those mandates, like as long as she could.
And the reason why she lifted them, in my opinion,
is that PHAC in Canada is like public health agency.
PHAC in Canada is like public health agency, Canada.
In one day before she lifted the mandate,
she ordered, PHAC ordered all the provinces
to destroy their stocks of COVID-19 vaccines.
So with no more COVID-19 vaccines to be dispensed,
the COVID-19 vaccine mandate of Bonnie Henry
was no longer enforceable.
So that, in my opinion,
that's what caused her to lift the mandate.
Otherwise, it would still be there.
So now my wife is back to work.
Oh, I've got big stuff then.
So the person I was thinking of, Lex,
was someone whose wife wanted the child to have a vaccine
and he desperately didn't.
And yeah, that wasn't-
No, we're lucky we dodged that.
All right, so it's a-
Sorry, I have problems.
And what brought me onto your call, Stephen Frost,
is like back in 2021,
my wife was going to have like the vaccine in April, 2021.
And the day she had the appointment,
she had a headache, so she didn't go, right?
And then during the summer of 2021,
I started like picking up like, you know,
signals that there was something wrong with this.
And then I got my hands on a data set
of obituaries in Canada, right?
And then I crunched some numbers.
And then I sent my spreadsheet to John Oloni,
who was a member of this group.
And then he gave you that spreadsheet,
he gave my spreadsheet to you.
And that was on the Saturday evening
of the last Saturday of October, 2021.
And then the next Sunday morning,
I had my first invitation to attend your call
and you had said like, Lex, we've got your spreadsheet.
We're seeing the same kind of thing happening in Europe.
Please come on our call and explain to us
how you calculated that.
And that's how I connected with all the, you know,
with many dissident groups across the world.
And in Canada, actually, you know, this was my first group.
And then it's from this group
that then I connected with the dissidents in Canada.
That was quite a, that's my short story
on how I came to be on this group once in a while.
But I've done lots of digging on the Charles Ove case.
And I'm gonna drop my sub stack post
and you guys can read it.
And there's gonna be more coming from that FOIA request.
That information that Lex mentioned about on his sub stack
that he had uncovered was that the public health authorities
knew that the batch that my patients received
here in Lytton was the second most dangerous batch in BC.
And they were still saying that I was a liar
and that these were all coincidences.
And they were still doing everything they could
to discredit me, even though we now know from their emails
that they were fully aware that there were far more problems
coming from that from them, from the other batches.
So we now have the evidence of their criminality
that Lex has crunched all the numbers for us.
So that if, you know, we certainly could prosecute them
for their lies to the public and for their willful negligence
of knowing that this was causing harm
and yet literally lying to the public and lying about me
and covering it up and just carrying on despite the fact
that we know that they were aware
of how much harm it was doing.
So Lex, thank you for your work.
It's really important.
Maybe some heads will roll if we can use that.
Hopefully.
And one thing that's notable from the FOIAs,
on March 15th, 2021, Bonnie Henry in the afternoon,
she gave a press conference about the COVID-19 rollout
in the AEFIs, the adverse effect.
And she was saying like, we're seeing some adverse effects,
but everything is well managed and it's all good on Kidori.
But I have an email from her, like,
an other between her and the BCCDC that on March 15th,
the same day in the morning, she had received like an EFI,
an internal EFI report that was showing
like a very different picture than what she was saying
in the afternoon of that very same day.
And March 15th, 2021 is special because that's the day
that the vaccine rollout around the world
like pivoted away from AstraZeneca.
That's the date, like March 15th.
So that's coming in future posts.
Of which year was that?
2021, was that, Lex?
Say that again?
Was that 2021?
Yeah, March 15th, 2021, that's a very special day
when like the public health across the world,
like, you know, they started saying like,
well, AstraZeneca, we should like, you know,
restrict its use and all that.
That was like the day that they, you know,
they turn away from it.
And then they concentrated on like Pfizer and Moderna.
Now there's another observation that comes out of that,
of that four release is that the,
versus EFI rate, the serious EFI rates
between Moderna and Pfizer,
like Moderna is about like two to three times higher, right?
And that kind of like, it connects with,
it relates to like the amount of like modified RNA,
that HF, like, you know, Pfizer,
Pfizer has like 30 microgram and Moderna
has like a hundred microgram,
like about like a little bit like three times more.
And you know, the rates of EFI is about like, you know,
can be seen like about like two to three times more.
So this is what, this is making me think that Pfizer
could be seen as a control for Moderna.
And what we're measuring here is the harmfulness of mRNA,
of the mRNA, because these vaccines are quite comparable.
They were deemed to be interchangeable.
So when you got one, a shot of one, they said like, well,
you know, if you had an adverse effect with one,
take the other brand.
That's absolutely crazy.
That, you know, I was stunned when that happened,
when they said mix and match, yeah.
Yeah, mix and match.
Well, I mean, this mix and match thing, like,
in my mind, it's part of like, well, you know,
Pfizer is a control for Moderna.
And what we're measuring here is the harmfulness of the mRNA.
And that's it.
That's my opinion on the numbers that I saw.
I'm gonna give the floor to someone else.
Thank you, Lex.
We gotta keep moving.
Good work, great researcher.
Jim.
Jim, you muted.
God, go through this every week.
Yeah, he's muted.
All right, Anders, be quick, because we're tied for time.
I'm unmuted here, and I can't.
Okay, well, Jim, now.
Thank you.
Jim, we lost 20 seconds, and waiting for you.
Sorry about that.
The issue of the vaccine,
the vaccine is not a vaccine,
sorry about that.
The issue of who did this COVID and how we stop it,
and who actually did the blowing up of the towers
that reduced the population, the Georgia Guidestones.
The intelligence community can figure out everything,
but they can't figure out who blew up the Georgia Guidestones.
They can't figure out who leaked Roe versus Wade
to say that abortion was the issue in the United States.
Now you're breaking up, Jim.
You need to switch off your video.
Okay.
It looks like,
it looks.
Is this better?
It looks like they found out who killed JFK,
and the person who killed JFK, it looks like,
has to do with the intelligence agencies,
including the Israeli Mossad has something to do with it.
So the question is,
did the Israeli Mossad have something to do with COVID?
And if so, what?
What are your thoughts?
And can we ask the intelligence agencies,
the antidotes for these things in light of them,
or ask for declassification of this
in light of the fact that they declassified
the JFK filings?
Thank you.
Well, do you have any intelligence links, Charles?
Charles Hoffman.
Oh, no, no.
I don't have any intelligence links.
No, no.
But Jim does, so he's asking you.
So anyway.
Anyway.
So Jim, great questions to ask,
and Charles, you don't have an answer?
No.
Okay.
All right.
Anders, be quick, and then we're finishing with Stephen.
Very good to hear from you all.
I would like to connect to you all.
I was asked to join this group
about early, late May, early June, 2023.
You may remember that, Stephen.
Yeah.
I was asked by my good friend, Robert Young,
to connect to you.
All right.
And I'm sure you remember that.
Well, yes.
Yes.
So I know why as well, because you were touted
as an expert through your research on 5G.
You were drawing attention to the fact that,
in your opinion, there was a difference between rural
and urban attacks from 5G, essentially.
And this is real.
And I appreciate your talking about that, Stephen.
It's very real, because this was my original connection
to your group, you know?
And my connection is that I'm connected to Robert Young.
He's a real guy, and I don't need to go,
and I don't want to go all on that, but let's say,
this is history.
History is three years, yes.
But this is not what I want to talk about.
I want to talk about that me and Robert,
we have had very good interactions,
and his immense knowledge,
immense knowledge into biology
has been much more than just a little bit.
Biology has been my inspiration,
and me and him, you know, the last thing he did
before he called the court, he would be taken into court.
I had some issues with him, but he said,
Anders, you're friends.
And I said, Robert, maybe not.
Excuse me, point of information,
someone's having a cardiac incident in the chat.
Yes, Jenny says she's worried.
So what I want to tell you is that
there's a lot of information,
and this information is going to come out, you know,
and Robert is...
Anders, hurry up, please.
Yes.
It's tight, I don't want to speech.
Yes, so the story is, me and Robert, we are tight.
Your group is, I'm not sure,
but let's say it is similar to our good friend in Germany.
And this is a bit challenging for me, Stephen.
We don't want a discussion now.
Look, I'm not interested.
We don't want a discussion now
about the pluses and minuses of this group, Anders.
So we want to be respectful to our guest.
Do you have a question for him or not?
Right.
Answer no, Charles, sir.
No, I muted him.
Right.
Okay, Stephen, over to you,
because Anders is going to make a speech
which is not relevant to Charles Hoff.
Stephen, over to you to file your questions,
then we'll let Charles go and we'll end the meeting.
So Charles, I think you and I need to,
so as I understand it,
you don't believe that there was a pandemic.
By a different route, I've come to the same conclusion.
I absolutely agree there was no pandemic.
In fact, I don't think, Charles,
and I think you would agree, there was no COVID-19.
The diagnosis was made up.
And of course we know that the test,
you know, the PCR test which they used
and the lateral flow test,
this was all fraudulent.
You don't diagnose a so-called viral illness,
you know, whether you believe in viruses or not,
with a test.
We've never done that previously.
And all of a sudden in 2020, oh yeah, we had to have a test.
But even when it was diagnosed clinically,
there was no symptom.
I noticed that no doctor was saying,
well, actually there's no symptom
which is pathognomonic for COVID-19.
So I just wonder whether you can comment
on those two things.
In my opinion, there was no pandemic.
A deadly virus kills its host, you know,
if you believe in viruses, that is.
So in other words, if deadly virus kills its host,
so if it's very virulent, i.e. dangerous,
then it's not gonna spread.
You know, Stephen, the story is that...
Andrish, you just had your time.
You didn't use it, Andrish.
And now we've moved on, we're onto different things.
So will you please stop interrupting?
Okay, Stephen, in response to your question,
yeah, I think there were...
In the places where that quoted...
In the places that had looked like
there was an increase in mortality,
which was in what, Bergamo, Italy, in New York,
and one other place, I can't remember where it was,
when they actually looked at true cause of death,
they found that approximately 95% of everyone
who was recorded as having died of COVID
did not die of COVID.
They might've died with a positive PCR,
but they did not die of COVID.
So I don't think there was a pandemic,
except that the WHO changed the definition of a pandemic,
so it doesn't have to be,
because, you know, the definition, I think,
up until 2010 was that a pandemic was a new virus
that had a high rate of mortality
that went across the world.
So firstly, I don't think this was a new virus
because a lot of people had natural immunity.
Secondly, and it was cross-immunity
from the other coronaviruses.
Secondly, there wasn't a high rate of mortality.
Until the vaccine rollout happened,
in most countries in the world,
there was no increase in mortality,
and in the countries where there was an increase,
it was literally from withholding healthcare,
and in the UK, of course, they gave them a Dazzle Amp
to anybody that was elderly and got sick
and made sure they died, and those were all COVID deaths.
So I think the places that looked like
they had a higher mortality, it was fabricated,
and mostly by misassigning deaths
and by withholding healthcare.
But in terms of whether or not COVID did exist,
there definitely was some illness
that, I agree, there was no characteristic symptom,
there was no definitive test, that is true.
There was literally nothing that was pathognomonic
of COVID-19, but it was a different kind of flu.
It really was, and in...
Or Charles, was it modified, or is it possible that the,
that people were saying it was new,
but it was only new because of the extra,
the fear which had been injected in,
which made whatever was going around a little more dangerous
or whatever, unusual, but also the power of suggestion.
If you say to people, there's a new virus,
they're kind of looking around for stuff that,
in their view, is new, but they're not very good
on causation, human beings.
That's one thing that's emerged from the last five years.
Yeah, the power of suggestion,
I mean, that's the placebo effect.
It's powerful, it really, really is powerful.
When you tell people to expect something,
when they see something that could be that,
that's what they interpreted as that.
And so, yeah, I still don't know about this virus thing.
I mean, I still am of the opinion that viruses do exist
because they seem to, there are infectious diseases
that we know are not from bacteria
that can cause a constellation of symptoms,
like the flu or colds or whatever else,
that I don't know how else we explain why they're infectious
and why different people with the same illness
get similar symptoms.
So...
So Charles, you're a doctor,
so are you familiar with the tension, if you like,
the kind of tension between high transmissibility
and high virulence?
So, even if you believe in viruses
or that there was a new disease called COVID-19,
which I personally don't, the second one anyway,
the first, I don't think we need to have that discussion now,
but there's this tension between high transmissibility
and high virulence, you can't have both.
So the pandemic can't,
so you've got a highly virulent virus, let's say,
excepting for a moment that there is such a thing as a virus,
then that would mean in my eyes that, you know,
that tension which exists, if you've got high virulence,
you have low transmissibility,
and that's what the deadly virus kills the host is all about.
We were taught this in medical school,
and maybe you were too, but of course,
but actually, we were actually told this
by an immunology professor, and I said,
well, does that mean that pandemics are impossible?
And he said, I had no idea why at the time,
I just was, I was pretty shy,
but I managed to ask that question,
does that mean pandemics not possible?
He said, deadly virus kills its host.
And he said, very good, Stephen.
And I didn't, I was too shy to ask why he said very good.
I didn't understand why either, but later in 2020,
I was thinking, oh, I came back to that,
and I thought, wow, did he know as an immunologist,
then that they were trying to take away
the voices of immunologists,
and increase the voices of virologists,
so the whole thing was a construct.
So do you see what I'm trying to say?
Did he know that then?
But of course, he couldn't explain to us
as to medical students, you know?
My concern with the idea that you can't have a pandemic
if a deadly virus kills its host,
because my concern with that is how long it would take
for the virus to kill its host,
because usually a virus is the most infectious
in the first seven days.
And if it takes 14 days to kill its host,
the host is still alive while they're most infectious.
So I don't think it will eliminate itself
unless the host dies very quickly.
All right, come on, we've got to finish.
That's a, we're gonna have, Stephen,
we're gonna have this big debate,
organize it, one of our meetings of this whole question.
So it's a great question.
And of course, then we're gonna be attacked.
The importance of this, Charles,
so just so people understand the importance of this,
is if there was no, if there was no pandemic
and there was no disease called COVID-19,
then why the hell were all these people locked up?
Yeah, we've got all that, we've covered that ad nauseam.
It's a depopulation agenda, it's clear.
You still don't understand what I'm trying to say.
It's our propaganda to get people to think,
well, if there was no pandemic and there was no COVID-19,
that's very important, because I couldn't be with my father
when he was dying, or I couldn't be with my father.
The answer, all of those, all of that was to create fear
and the purpose of the fear was to get everyone vaccinated.
And the purpose of the vaccine was population reduction.
And I really think that's why we were locked up.
That's why we wore masks.
That's why we're all these things was to,
is to, was to, it was all to build fear.
And the fear was to get us ready for the shots
and the shots were to reduce the population.
And now we've all got Stockholm syndrome,
which is why we haven't succeeded in holding one person
in the whole world to account
for the terrible crimes in 2020, 2021.
We've all got Stockholm syndrome, all of us.
No, we haven't, I haven't.
Oh, well. I haven't.
All right, off we go.
Thank you, Charles, we're finishing.
You can go to the Tom Rodman group.
Otherwise we'll go on for another three hours,
which we're not gonna do.
Thank you so much.
Well, Charles, why haven't you held anybody to account?
Charles, please leave this open right now, okay?
We've got an emergency on our hands.
Please leave this thing open.
We have an emergency on our hands.
All right.
Just leave it open. Don't close it yet.
Thank you.
I'm gonna stop the recording.
Thanks everybody.