the narrative. I think Charles we're very guilty of being lazy when it comes to offering the public
an alternative narrative. Well that's we're giving it James Rogowski's here offering a different
narrative as is Jim Thorpe and James is doing great work and you're right we have to and
Gerry Waters wasn't shy and Vera Sharow hasn't been shy so let's keep we come to these meetings
so we get encouraged Stephen. Encouragement is an external source of courage quite interesting.
But the point I was trying to make Charles was that people are only too ready to be distracted
and they have great difficulty in summing up what has happened in the last five years
you know in the broad terms. That's the mob we need we're talking to the people who aren't
asleep but most people yes okay everybody welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics
International. In today's discussion this group was founded four years ago by Dr Stephen Frost
a British trained medical doctor with a passion for truth ethics justice freedom and health. I'm
Charles Covessi in Australia I'm Australasias passion provocateur this is a group of professionals
different professions from all around the world not just doctors and as I say we are from all
around the world many of us now realize that vaccines of all descriptions are not safe nor
effective and that no vaccines have ever been proven via any gold standard to be safe or
effective. First time is a warmly welcome to introduce yourself in the chat we are in the
midst of World War III and then we have 12 battlefronts one of them is the Medical
Science Battlefront there's 11 others including a spiritual battlefront and if you're watching this
for the first time this is the place for you to be encouraged to stand up for what you believe
is right. These two and a half hour sessions are followed by Tom Rodman running a optional telegram
video chat we'll hear from our guest presenter Dr James Thorpe called Jim from US of A whose
great talents come from his wife Maggie he'll tell you that later but Maggie's the one that's
really keeping making Jim Thorpe famous she's a she's a lawyer behind every great man is a lawyer
woman. So we will listen to Jim Jim has spoken to us I think three times previously and we're
grateful that him I will introduce him in a moment and we're grateful Jim that you can join us
and after Jim presents from whatever he wishes to present we have Q&A and Stephen Frost will have
the first set of questions for 15 minutes this is a free speech environment appropriately moderated
and if you're offended be offended we're not interested we're lovingly not interested. We
choose love over fear fear binds and sickens and love liberates heals and inspires these twice
weekly gatherings are far from mere talk they've birthed real world actions and alliances. A key
tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media rallying behind John Rappaport's
crafted mantra of medical truth now that's what we want medical truth now.
Share any solutions or products in the chat and Jim we're welcome we're delighted to welcome you
again and for the purposes of the recording let me then do the magic trick of
telling people a little bit about your amazing
journey you're a board certified obstetrician gynaecologist and maternal fetal medicine physician
with 46 years of experience in obstetrics you remain active in clinical practice and you've
dedicated your career to both patient care and clinical research throughout this career you've
cared for a high volume of high risk pregnant patients while maintaining a strong presence in
academic medicine you've authored 224 scientific publications including approximately 40 focused on
COVID-19 you've served as a peer reviewer for major medical journals and you were a member of
the board of directors for the society of a maternal fetal medicine for three years you've also served
as an examiner for the American board of obstetrics and gynaecology you served in the US Air Force
where you're awarded a health profession scholarship for your medical education
in 2003 you testified before the US Senate under the Bush administration on the topic of trusting
the fetus as a patient highlighting advancements in in utero therapies you later returned to testify
before the Senate in December 2022 and again earlier this year on May the 21st the anniversary
of my first marriage Jim and I'm an expert in marriage and on in May 2025 you address concerns
about the corruption of science and government agencies recently you've also concentrated your
research on the COVID-19 pandemic resulting in the publication of 32 scientific articles your
latest book Sacrifice how the deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable and that was
released in February this year you've also appeared in several documentary films including
Shot Dead and Died Suddenly you currently practice as a maternal fetal medicine specialist in a major
hospital you you serve as chief of maternal and prenatal health at the wellness company
the website of that is twc.health and you're a founding member of the advanced biological
research group abrg.org in the show notes are the links to your Senate testimony of this year which
is very powerful and you appeared there and there's also a YouTube link of you with Senator Ron
Johnson and with your very clever wife Maggie so Jim thank you again for being with us thank you
Stephen for us for starting this group and Jim we are in your hands you can share your screen
if you wish over to you. Thank you so much Charles this is such an honor and privilege to be with
really with my favorite group to be with it really is just an honor and privilege
I want to start off by this is real live stuff just got done seeing a patient and no unique
identifiers you don't know where she is or I should say they are because I see patients from
all over the world but this is real live and accurate to the detail a very young beautiful
couple set up a consultation with me and they have a daughter who's 15 years old
and they are distraught because their 15 year old went to see an obstetrician gynecologist
at one of the major medical centers in that city which this family live
which this family live beautiful family just a beautiful family
very devout Catholic family and the main reason that the family had contacted me
was they were actually given my name by somebody who I won't mention was actually another physician
and she had menorrhagia chief complaint of menorrhagia for those of you who don't know
what that medical term is that means that this is a young lady that has extraordinarily heavily
heavy menstrual periods so she's 15 she started menstruating normally at age 12
and she had been extensively worked up appropriately so and so I delved into the
history the main concern that the doctor had and actually the couple had was their ob-gyn doctor
recommended an iud in this 15 year old adolescent and I must admit that that sounded very
odd to me to to put it politely but I'd be happy to see them and so I delve into the history
a little bit more and I find out that she's also on some other medications
that were perplexing to me lamyctal was one of them another antidepressant was another one of them
and some some other medications and when I the adolescent wasn't there the mother and father were
there and I said well does she have any other history and she said well she's had three
concussions over the last three years and what what do you mean she's had three concussions that
had three concussions that's what what's happened here oh well we don't know she's just been
a little off balance and been falling around oh and have you seen a neurologist
well we did and they sent our daughter to a vertigo vertigo means spinning medical word for
spinning to a vertigo physical therapist and they did a ct scan couldn't find anything wrong
interesting I said very interesting so uh is there anything else that I should know
any other concerning history well she's quite depressed okay and she described the periods the
periods menstrual periods were really not that they were they were quite heavy but her hemoglobin
was normal the usual workup that we would do was normal oftentimes hereditary bleeding disorders
occur and cause this not uncommonly whether it's von willebrand's disease or hemophilia a or
hemophilia b or ray or platelet disorder but nobody seemed to of all the doctors she's seen
which was um close to a dozen do you think that anybody connected the dots did anybody say
did your daughter receive a covid 19 vaccine none of them did
and she received a covid 19 vaccine after all this started
and I said your daughter is vaccine injured this is classic this is absolutely classic she has very
abnormal menstrual periods um she has lost her balance she's fallen and had three concussions
and she's depressed and anxious and has had suicidal ideation
and anxious and has had suicidal ideation
so I shared with her um this was a very long visit I like to spend as much time as I can
with with my patients and by the way I don't charge them either I don't charge them a dime
um I do I do make them sign a paper uh that documents that I'm not entering into a physician
patient relationship and that you know my wife's an attorney come on right so I've been in this
situation long enough where I know that fraudsters will come after me and try to report me to the
medical boards and all this other nonsense so I get all my ducks in a row legally and have them
sign the appropriate paperwork but I don't take a dime if they want to contribute to the um my
vaccine injured fund through the wellness company or they want to uh make a donation to the advanced
biological research group which is also a 501c3 they're fine to do that but I don't care about
money I'm interested in helping people the couple the mom and dad were shocked but they
received it and said this makes a lot of sense and then I I reviewed with them and I know that
Maggie wouldn't mind me sharing this but I said you know um Dick and Jane that's not their real
name said I want to share a story with you Maggie is from one of four there's she has three siblings
she's the youngest of four daughters and all three of Maggie's older sisters and Maggie came this
close to having the vaccine all three of her sisters had it all three of them had severe
vaccine injuries including interestingly all three of them falling down
two of them having massive facial trauma from planting their face on cement I mean really the
exact same thing this 15 year old girl had and then I also shared with her you know
our recent publication and and I shared this with Charles and I think Dr. Steven and we'll put a
link in the chat but I think just six or eight weeks ago this is after two weeks of work
I have been following psychiatric symptoms and also cognitive symptoms in the VAERS database for
two years every quarter I've been updating it and every single quarter the safety signal grew
louder and louder and louder and finally I said enough's enough we're going to publish this put
it in print we put it in pre-print and it's been in pre-print for probably six months it was
published in a peer-reviewed medical journal oh six or eight weeks ago and basically the I have
several co-authors who are really notable co-authors Claire Rogers and Kirsten Cosgrove who
are both McCullough Foundation scholars also Dr. Peter Bregan is is on this paper for those of
you who know him he's a world-renowned psychiatrist also Dr. Drew Pinsky is on this paper
and Dr. Peter McCullough on this paper so not a group of authors that just fell off the turnip
truck I guess is my point I was very honored to have these co-authors but what we looked at was
86 different adverse events and from the VAERS database again just to review
some of you who may not be familiar with the United States of America the vaccine injury
surveillance system is called VAERS VAERS vaccine adverse event reporting system
and interestingly that comes straight pretty much straight from the UK
Sandwich UK Pfizer facility which is our main research so there's thousands I would say 5,000
lower level symptoms so we looked at we picked out say 86 of those symptoms that were relevant
most of which 47 were related to loss of cognitive function the second grouping was
neuropsychiatric diseases psychiatric illnesses and the last group was a severe form of psychiatric
illness and that is suicide homicide or suicidal or homicidal ideation out to the chase every
single one of those categories had a profound safety signal so I shared that with with this
couple is that yes not not not only not only does the COVID-19 vaccine kill and injure but it does
so in every single organ system you could imagine so she she has my cell phone number
you know she can text me and get more information what did I recommend first thing was
bone up on the literature you know get the books don't believe Dr. Jim Thorpe don't believe any of
your other doctors because we've all been bribed it's a it's a matter of whether or not they've
taken the bribe and and your doctors can't be truthful with you don't believe doctors or nurses
you are your own best advocate nobody will advocate better for you than you and I'm speaking
to everybody listening to this you don't need to be a doctor or a nurse or a health care profession
there are available publications all over the world for you that you could look at
you could look at and you can determine the best route to go if you're contemplating any
particular therapy so I would advocate be your own advocate be aware of the corruption so I just
wanted to make a a real live venue there that that I got just done with before coming on this show
I wanted to just run through 10 of the studies very quickly and we'll get links in the chat
10 studies that essentially in my opinion irrefutably document the adverse effects of
the COVID-19 vaccine in pregnancy you know the first one number one is Pfizer's 5.3.6 post
marketing data I'll drop a link to that right in the chat right now as I'm talking
or maybe I won't because that'll slow me up and I can't find it quite here it goes
yeah so there's that reference right there you can look at that and if you go to page seven
on that document that I just sent you you see a couple of interesting things
in just 10 weeks of the first marketing there were 42,086 casualties including 1,223 dead
just in 10 weeks not from Moderna just from Pfizer deadliest vaccine deadliest medicine
in the history of humanity deadliest medical product so there's some interesting things
about it though that you can discern and the first one is that from this page seven you can
you can see that I'm not making that up that's definitely true so the numbers that I'm telling
you but isn't it interesting that in all of these adverse events there's a female to male
preponderance of over I think 3.3 to one in other words for every male that was injured or killed
multiply that times 3.3 to get the number of females now there could be a lot of bias in there
but it's not all bias it's interesting I think to contrast because if you look at the sudden death
and cardiac complications it's completely the opposite right it's totally the opposite it's
predominantly male not female although of course there's some overlap but on page 12 of that
document is the pregnancy outcomes now you know we had an incredible guest on on this show before
I'm not sure if he was a guest or or a commenter an Israeli researcher Dr Josh Getzko who by the
way out a brilliant young investigator who who is actually I hosted him on my weekly hour show called
two docs pwo2 as in two doctors docs it's dr renny moon and myself we've been doing a weekly show
last over a year and a half and he was on and and he he made some really he just is he's a lead
author of the last study that I'll review but but he's a brilliant chap and and so he he made the
comment well you know you really can't you can look at the raw data but you can't really make
absolutes with regard to fetal death rates and to miscarriage rates and and that's true
clearly they're increased but you you can't this is just reported data from Pfizer but it is
interesting to see that at least from their data the miscarriage rate is extraordinarily high
and the fetal death rate and neonatal death rates are extraordinarily high so that's that's a that's
the Pfizer studies the the third study that was published and that I'm doing these in
chronological order so you know really you could look at that as just one study but there's two
pages of that study that are relevant page seven and page 12 the third study is the study
that Thorpe and colleagues published I'm sorry not Thorpe and colleagues it was Thorpe alone
and this was a letter an open letter to the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology that
was published globally this was published January 12 2022 it was actually a 98 page letter
and this was after the organizations that have honored me my entire career threatened to
destroy me take away my medical licenses in every state and take away my board certifications
despite my exemplary professional career that they honored me with so basically I exposed them
anybody can read that letter and this was the first publication of the governmental data and by the
way it included 1019 peer-reviewed publications in just 12 months from peer-reviewed medical
journals documenting death and injury from the COVID-19 vaccines can you imagine that
1019 in just 12 months and now there's well over 4 000 so so that was the second publication and
that also documented a huge huge safety signal breach for pregnant vaccine and pregnant women
so I published that went globally and crickets never heard another word from them they they knew
they were dead wrong they knew I was right they knew they didn't want to screw with me
they knew that or they'd be in big trouble because I would go after them and there would
be this process called discovery and they knew what they were doing was immoral and unethical
so the next publication would be about a year later and this was a more formal analysis this
was by um forb and colleagues also including uh clara rogers michael duskovich a phd dod
in in math and modeling steward tankers lee and and and peter mccullough and others and we looked
at 18 different adverse events um for about um this was about 20 months of the COVID-19 vaccine
and all of those 18 adverse events in pregnancy were breached the safety signal by far and away
now when we're comparing these safety signals I'll make this I won't get too deep into mathematics
there's a lot of different ways to statistically measure disproportionality many many different
ways in this particular article we used now now many will say well these are um these are
proportional risk ratios are well that's kind of a broad term some people use that term very
specifically others use it more broadly but in this particular paper what we did was we took the
number of adverse events per inoculation per person vaccinated and per time massive amount
of mathematical modeling they were all about the same so by no matter which method we used um we
it was very significant breach of safety signals now the next study the the fourth study if you will
is actually Pfizer's own study and very little attention is given to Pfizer's own study
can you believe that Pfizer actually did a randomized double-blinded placebo control trial
in pregnant women they did um it was completed in 2022 in the summer of 2022
up here north of the hemisphere I guess that would be the winner for you child
um but um that would be in July of 2022 and it was published in July of 2023 well wouldn't you know
it um this was purposefully stopped and it was purposefully underpowered why would they do that
well I'll tell you why they would do that because if they carried on and got an appropriate sample
size there would have been very damaging results to their narrative so with just 300 patients
by the way just 300 patients about 150 in the placebo 150 in the vaccinated group
here's what they found there was there was greater than a two-fold increased risk of
depressed babies at birth there was a significant increased risk of meconium aspiration syndrome
when I say there were I can't give you an odds ratio because there were zero in the placebo group
neonatal jaundice was increased 1.8 fold you know and genital malformations were increased 1.7 fold
these are atrial septal defect a specific defect of the fetal heart was increased
1.7 fold growth restricted babies abnormal nutrients and oxygen to the to the pre-born
baby through the placenta was increased there were none in the placebo group and there were three
in the vaccine group so growth restricted congenital nevi which is a skin classic skin
lesion that's associated with herald for vaccine injury and also broncholitis now I want to ask you
just they there were only 300 patients so this did not achieve statistical significance
it comes close but if the patient number was appropriate you'd have odds of one in a million
or certainly one in 10 000 just to give you an idea how many patients did they need
well I can tell you how many was needed for the study that that I a randomized double blinded
placebo control trial that I devised and I did spent the summer of 2020 developing defining
a study you know how many patients are required 70 000 70 000 patients so so clearly this this was
underpowered and then it was buried in their data but I want to ask you a question
I just mentioned seven of these adverse outcomes if any pregnant woman were counseled by their
obstetrician gynecologist at their first prenatal visit and said and gave really true informed
consent said this is Pfizer's data you can take the vaccine but in in this in their clinical trial
trial you had all these seven
significant complications were associated with the COVID vaccine would any pregnant woman take it
unfortunately no nobody would but were they given true informed consent of course they were not so
then the the sixth study
I had I would is the study that was just published earlier I should say it was both studies the next
studies were published in reprint a year ago over a year ago and the part one was study was published
in a peer-reviewed medical journal in January of this year and I was lead author on that
Albert Benavides was a co-author on that he was a second author
attorney Thorpe was third authored a couple of other obstetricians Dr. Dan McDyer Dr. Kim Bess
Julie Threed a vaccine injured spokeswoman from northern California and Peter McCullough were
co-authors on that and in that particular paper we looked at 38 different adverse events over 40
months just in pregnancy and again there was a significant breach of safety signals in all
38 adverse events I won't bore you with all those but there were 38 of them 28 of them were before
birth and 10 of them were in the newborns after birth including newborn death and and also of
course the complications before occurred also in also included a massive increase in malformations
of every organ system you could imagine also massive increase in miscarriage and what we call
a massive increase in fetal death or stillbirth which is really a pregnancy loss at or after 20
weeks which is much more rare than a miscarriage in real life now there's a part two of that study
which is also published a year ago in pre-print and that is an accepted for publication of peer
reviewed medical journal but I haven't gotten around to resubmitting that yet Mea Copa Mea Copa
Mea Maxima Copa the next study is a fascinating study and of all places this was published in
2022 of all places where did it come from it came from Egypt interestingly you know isn't it
interesting that I find this very interesting that some of the landmark studies this year
for example the study by Caraman and colleagues where did that come from Turkey why didn't we do
this in United States of America or why didn't you do it in the UK or why didn't you do it in
Australia or New Zealand okay well I think you all know the answer to that but Caraman and colleagues
found that one vaccine in we stopped rats caused a 60 reduction
in ovarian reserve in other words it killed off 60 percent of the eggs
ladies and gentlemen that's our future generation it does the same thing in human beings the exact
same thing and that's exactly what the advanced biological research group my research group with
Dr. Stephen Hadfield and also Dr. Ryan Cole and others myself founding members that's what we're
doing but do you think the government's giving us any money to do that or do you think the NIH is
or do you think anybody else's no not a dime you think the pharmaceutical companies are
no not a dime every virtually every dime has come from our own pockets and all the labor
have come from ourselves which has been a massive amount so this is why these studies
aren't done in the United States there's another reason why the studies are falsified in the United
States of America and I'll talk to you about that later but with after I talk about the last day
this study if you can believe it found a significantly higher rate of miscarriages
fetal deaths oligohydranios which means the placenta is not working there's not enough
amniotic fluid or fluid around this the baby inside mom's uterus abnormal placentas well you've
heard me talk about that a lot abnormal fetal growth we you know the baby doesn't get any
nutrition enough nutrition and oxygen from the placenta breastfeeding problems hypertension high
blood pressure problems and a whole litany of others including malaise chest pain headaches
breathing problems sleeping problems and many others so that's a mayor am er and colleagues
published in peer-reviewed medical journal and lastly but certainly not least is my friend
Gutskow who was on this brilliant Israeli researcher and what Josh found
he's a PhD and Josh and his colleagues attacked this from a different angle they basically
decided let's look at expected versus observed ratios in all these abnormalities
well they came out with essentially the exact same findings that the previous studies have
documented in other words and it was a massive cohort of patients in Israel Israel from an
insurance database so what they used as backward looking data to get an expected ratio for various
vaccines and then they used a study period and they got in essence significant increases one of
the very fascinating findings of Josh Gutskow Dr Josh Gutskow is that and what they postulate
why you know other people have missed it was if they got a vaccine in early pregnancy
oftentimes these complications weren't picked up until later in pregnancy isn't that interesting
and and I can assure you that in my clinical experience not only is it in the same pregnancy
but I'm seeing patients in my practice now that haven't been vaccinated for two or three years
they're having these classic devastating complications from their first shot years ago
and why is that in my opinion I can't prove this it's because they have extraordinarily high titers
of what the bio weapon spike protein right so um switching gears just a little bit and
I'm sorry to ramble on here and please interrupt me if anybody has any questions here I want to
go and say why are there so many articles and there aren't many articles from the United States
suggesting you know Dr Thorpe you're full of it look at all these articles that show that it's
safe effective and necessary in pregnancy well there are but here's the problem there's not one
hospital in the United States of America and there's not one group of researchers in the
United States of America there's not one chairwoman or chairperson in a department
of obstetrics and gynecology whether it's in an academic institution or a private hospital
that will allow any investigator to put that manuscript or that data out they're not allowed
because that's their protocol they could not publish something against their protocol
they cannot do that or they would be showing themselves the other reason they can't do that
is because that hospital would have to pay same reason why I was fired from one of the largest
Catholic institutions in the country they had to fire me because I testified in front of the Senate
because I was on Tucker Carlson I was on this platform many others and they heralded me as a
model exemplary physician of their system one of the largest Catholic healthcare systems in the
United States of America out of St. Louis in Missouri they fired me because if they didn't
they took 306.9 million dollars and if they didn't fire me they'd have to pay that back
so that's he who pays the pipe calls a tune you know as we were talking pre-show and here we
talked about it's not just the hospital yes attorney Maggie Thorpe and I had published
15 or 20 articles on the America Outlaw platform you know you look at every single thread of the
fabric of our society have received money from HHS with strings attached what are those strings
you don't have to pay the money back if you stick with our draconian COVID narratives it was all
the religious leaders it was the AP press and all the mainstream media it was individuals it was the
all of the NGOs it was all of the pharmacy pharmacies the major pharmacies I could go on
and on and on so there's a reason why there's publication bias I would like to at this time
interject an incredible substack that that you know I didn't come across this substack I was
familiar with all these articles but I'm going to put it in the chat right now
um this is a substack entitled this is dr Wojak's substack um and I put the link in there
and the title of his substack is most of what your doctor practices is based on fraud
um that's absolutely true um you know I we spoke of the David Dan Wim article when last name
spelled N-G-U-Y-E-M published on October 10th 2024 just what 10 months ago nine months ago
um oh gosh 10 or 11 months ago we're getting close to the final quarter of
this year my how time flies but Dr. Winn and colleagues did a phenomenal study that just
it blew my mind when I read it
brilliant far beyond my skills I don't have these IT skills but they took four major medical
journals New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA of all journals a journal that published their
article British Medical Journal and the Lancet those are the four most influential journals in
the world and they took the review and this was just in the United States of America
not not any other country just focus on United States of America just focus on these four journals
and we'll get the list of reviewers that are published in those journals from the United
States of America now we're going to link that up with a private pay database that covers payments
isn't that interesting they connected to the dots
it's unbelievable just in the United States of America just from those four journals just in
those three years 20 21 and 22 1.06 billion dollars from pharmaceutical companies or
medical device manufacturers so not only were the journals corrupted and paid off but the reviewers
like me took money remember 95 percent of researchers will always isn't it interesting
find the exact same bias and results that their funding source wanted isn't that interesting
that's true from from this substack you know we we all know Marcia Engel who was I believe the first
female editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine at the turn of the century called out
the New England Journal of Medicine for being totally terminally corrupted and entangled with
the pharmaceutical and drug manufacturers ladies and gentlemen that was 25 years ago
Richard Horton editor-in-chief of the Lancet
quote much of the scientific literature perhaps half maybe simply untrue and he goes on
Arnold Redmond former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine
the medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry and he goes on and on
Fiona Godley my colleagues over there in the UK I think you're very familiar with her former editor
and chief of the British Medical Journal that I just quoted from the WEN study
she points out I think we have to call it what it is it's a corruption of the scientific process
we look at Richard Smith also a former editor-in-chief of the British Medical Journal
again the WEN study calls that out that I just talked about medical journals are an extension
of the marketing arm of pharmaceutical companies can you imagine that and finally and I know there's
many more Doug Altman chief statistical advisor of the British Medical Journal the BMJ
says the same thing so there you have it not not from Jim Thorpe
you have it from former editors-in-chief
the there's a 2017 study published in the BMJ and I'll link that also that found that over half
actually 50.6 percent of editors at the world's most influential medical journals
were receiving money directly from the pharmaceutical and medical device I'm going to put that
in the chat so that you guys can see it sounds like I'm making this stuff up it's so
it's just so awful there it is so in 20 you know in 2014 alone the average editor received
over $27,000 in personal payments plus additional monies for research funds this is so not only are
the reviewers getting money but the editors are getting money
science is getting screwed every which way to Sunday by fraudulent payments
of course in one of our recent publications attorney Maggie Thorpe traced direct payments
from Rochelle Walensky at the CDC then chief director of the CDC directly to the
New England Journal of Medicine it's called money laundering it was done through the Massachusetts
Department of Health and speaking of departments of health you know every single department of
health in the United States of America all 50 have received massive amounts of money from the HHS
how much a lot Florida 1.8 billion dollars and it was awarded for COVID-19
six months before the outbreak that's right ladies and gentlemen August 1st 2019
August 1st 2019 and it was awarded for eight years up until July 31st 2027 and that same contract is
in Texas for 2.2 billion dollars and every other state so why doesn't why don't things change why
can't Bobby Kennedy come in there and pull the trigger it's a swamp it's a cesspool
why weren't the state citizens informed
that they had to walk lockstep or lose that money why didn't the hospitals inform
their own doctors and their own patients that they had to walk lockstep or they'd lose millions of
dollars you know I think I've made my point here I'd like to stop and you all have been very
patient and I love this group it's such an honor and a privilege to be with you all and
look forward to answering all the questions I can thank you Jim wonderful wonderful
overview of the corruption and fraud and I hope I'd like to extract the three minutes from the five
from the 50-minute mark where you articulated that beautifully of the of the
quotes by editors that almost more almost half of what we publish is is simply fraudulent
I've put into the chat an article by John Abramson of Harvard Medical School in published in Hillsdale
College it's a wonderful article on America's Broken Health Care System gives you it all of us
very useful hard data on what you've been talking about Jim and and we it's a very clear pathway
that you've given to us to be able to quote so that people can't go hey here's the here is the
research congratulations on your courageous stance and the help that you give it's a the story at the
start of what we heard you know I think it's I think I was with a filmmaker yesterday and story
stick because data each one of us can interpret data but you tell a story it's a powerful story
of a 15 year old and you know having menstrual bleeding and then concussions and you go wow that
really highlights what these jabs do and the fact that no one asked about the jabs which which also
happens at many funerals here in Australia where people die suddenly no one's saying how shocking
the jab must be so it's been a wonderful psychological operation by the forces of evil
and darkness Jim and you're highlighting a light on it and we honor you for doing so and thank you
for speaking to us and the next 15 minutes are yours young Stephen yeah so um James I'll try my
best to um kind of uh get the uh you know to highlight what you said um um I noticed you
being very careful I can understand why um and um I just wanted to tell you something interesting
about Richard Horton so he's I think he's still the chief editor of the Lancet in the UK so for
those who don't know the Lancet is one of the premier medical journals in the whole wide world
including America and so uh James after my case after I withdrew my appeal on access to justice
grounds against the British government and the British uh uh Ministry of Defense the British
military essentially uh I was a whistleblower on um class a controlled drugs in the military
and I blew the whistle in 2013 and they took me out with first of all by sacking me by text with
no reason given uh while I was on a family holiday three weeks to the day after I told them
that a police investigation was absolutely unavoidable in view of what they told me about
um an incident involving class a controlled drugs on an isolated military camp at which I was the
only doctor so to get better from that extraordinary case five and a half years of fighting the British
government with them deliberately draining me of resources by using every trick in the book
I had to think of ways to get better from the PTSD which was diagnosed so I decided I looked around
and I thought well I think the best thing I can do is use the information which had been provided
by Niels Meltzer the um UN special rapporteur on torture so we managed to get two huge letters
published in the Lancet about the psychological torture but so I formed a group called doctors
for Assange I didn't plan it I just did it because that's what I knew about how to form a group
how to make contacts and we ended up with about 260 psycho psychiatrists from all over the world
opining on the psychological torture of Julian Assange so we pulled a letter together
I thought well let's go for the the big one the Lancer you know let's get this in the Lancet
and I became a kind of friend if you like of Richard Horton and he got the first one published
in February of 2020 the second one both were huge letters with appendices uh one was a long letter
with a short appendix or short appendices and the other was a short letter with long appendices so
they're both about 30 pages long I couldn't believe it in the Lancet about Julian Assange
and so we were accusing four states of psychological torture of one human being
Julian Assange and those states were um Sweden terrible we highlighted Sweden because they
they were playing the dirtiest game of all you know you in a way I'm sorry about to say this
about the United States but you couldn't expect any better from the United States
so they were there of course and of course the United Kingdom was there
and um and the other state was Australia we highlighted Australia hiding in the background
with an Australian citizen the reason I mentioned this is because from June 2020 when we together
with one of my sons we who's now a lawyer at Lee Day which is a famous human rights firm in London
they only take plaintiffs they don't have any corporates or government um sponsors as it were
or customers or clients I should say um so my second son helped me of second of three sons
and I don't think he understands to this day well I do think he it was very important for me
it was important for him because we proved how much you can achieve if you have a good strategy
if you if you so we got these letters published I like to think that we actually helped Julian
Assange because we documented the psychological torture of Julian Assange and we were signing it
with all these psychiatrists from all over the world um and anyway point I mentioned out so from
June to December I put a letter together about Covid-19 my developing understanding of what was
going on and my aim the whole time was to present it to Peter Horton at the Lancet
so eventually I put it together as best I could because I
you know it's a tough time that five and a half years and it takes time to recover and um and so
I did as best I could I was uh you know I couldn't carry some people they were they wanted to do this
and that you know and I thought I must trust myself here because I think I know what I need to do um
because of the the case but also in 2003 I'd had a a massive case with David Kelly so we essentially
changed public opinion in the United Kingdom from suicide to murder using medicine and our
knowledge of medical law so I had good feelings and I knew that even with the PTSD so I knew what we
had to do I dropped the ones that we needed to drop if you understand me because they were holding
us back so but we had a lot of people still on board and I created this draft of a of a
letter essentially for the Lancet so I presented it to Peter Horton and uh he was on you know in
June of 2020 I think he was um he was uh by the way Charles I'm not going to ask any more questions
after this but it's an important point um uh in June of 2020 Horton I think it was June of 2020
May or June he was on question time which is a BBC flagship program you know where they have the
audience there kind of I think it's selected they say it isn't um and um and Richard Horton was one
of the panelists and so uh and and the public can ask questions of the panelists you see
so anyway I remember Richard Horton remonstrating on the stage I think he was standing up I was
simply remember him standing and he was saying it was an absolute disgrace the response of the
British government to COVID-19 I wasn't sure what he meant by that whether he meant it was you know
a disgrace that they were psychologically torturing the British public with uh the
nudge units and all this you know so anyway point is I prepared the the article for him because I
knew that he I thought like to think he was a good guy you know because he had helped me with June
Assange um so I thought he would help me when I kind of presented what we had it wasn't doctors
for Assange obviously it was kind of the precursors of this group but I thought he would you know say
well frost's got history you know we published those two letters so I need to have a look at this
so I sent it to him the draft in December of 2020 I finally pulled it together at least
partly to my satisfaction I knew it wasn't fully there um but it was pretty good and um
and I sent it to Lord Sumption as well um he didn't even thank me for it he'd asked for a copy
when I when I completed it but he didn't thank and I pulled it I told him off for not thanking me
so anyway um Richard Horton was very polite he said Stephen I think you know this but I can't
publish this about COVID-19 so if you would like to write with me James to Richard Horton
we can do a kind of or if you know anybody a doctor who would like to write to Richard Horton and
ask him why he didn't publish I'll send it to you if you like and I think that might be something
good to do and expose Richard Horton he can't be saying that was it 60 percent of the literature
which he publishes is fake and retain his job that should be pointed out anyway thank you so
much James well thank you so much Dr Stephen I didn't realize that um you are a veteran and
thank you um for your service um and um I didn't realize you know that yeah I've got skin in the
game I'm sorry to say it's sad PTSD I think a lot of us have it I know from what I've been through
and I agree with you James it's very under underdiagnosed I need to understand it I found
a book that was um um that somebody sent me and and I was on one of these large um talks and a
former military officer and former I think a senator his name is Tim Murphy PhD and he sent
me this book The Christ Cured and I've been kind of going through it it's a good book I think it's
kind of me but you might check it out but there's so much in this world that's making everybody crazy
um yes I agree so one of my questions for you James when you were talking I just trying to think
of the broad picture you know um so um do you think that they deliberately um attempted to
destabilize human beings in 2020 was it deliberate were they deliberately trying to instead of
curing them from a so-called pandemic which in my opinion was this pandemic was they was the whole
thing about destabilizing human beings so they could control human beings in the future and that
was 2020 was if that's the case then we really need to expose these bastards I think that absolutely
is the case yeah so you know as I've thought James I think huge numbers of human beings now
are suffering from Stockholm syndrome they have not recovered from 2020 2021 2022 even people in
this group that's exactly right and and I go back to prophet Isaiah in the Torah you know Isaiah
is it chapter 5 verse 20 woe to those who call put evil for good and good for evil darkness for
light and life for darkness and bitterness for food and food for bitterness there's you know
too many people are just Greta Thornburgs they're just ignorant fools and they don't know their
history they they don't know Jewish history they don't know world history they're just stupid they
just listen to the masses you know and I'm sorry to ramble on this but my friend
from Israel his name is Amir Sarfati I don't know him personally but I followed him he posted
something the other day that profoundly affected me and I and I'll read it there's something this
is the kind of shenanigans that are leading up to just cataclysmic end I think of this world
that's actually prophesied but Amir said this there's something about Israel that makes people
uncomfortable and it's not what they say it is they'll point to politics settlements borders
and wars but scratch beneath the outrage you'll find something deeper a discomfort not with what
Israel does but with what Israel is a nation this small should not be this strong period
it has no oil no special natural resources a population barely the size of the mid-sized
American city they're surrounded by enemies hated by the United Nations targeted for terror
condemned by celebrities boycotted slandered and attacked and still they thrive like there's no
tomorrow in military in medicine in security in technology in agriculture in intelligence
in morality in sheer unbreakable will they turn desert into farmland they make water from the air
they intercept rockets midair they rescue hostages under the nose of the world's worst regimes
they survive wars that were supposed to wipe them out and win the world watches and this
they can't make sense of it so they do what people do when they witness strength they can't
understand they assume it must be cheating it must be American aid it must be foreign lobbying it
must be oppression it must be theft it must be some dark trick that gave the Jews this kind of
power it must be blackmail because heaven forbid if it's something else heaven forbid it's real
heaven forbid it's earned or worse destined the Jewish people were supposed to disappear long
long time ago that's how the story of exiled enslaved hated minorities is supposed to end
but the Jews didn't disappear they actually came back home rebuilt the land 2000 years later
revived their language and brought their dead back to life in memory in identity and in strength
that's not normal that's not political it's biblical there's a whole cheat code that explains
how a group of people returned to their homeland after 2000 years there's no rational path from
gas chambers to global influence and there's no historical precedent for surviving Babylonians
the Romans the crusaders the inquisition the pogroms and the holocaustians still showing up
to work on Monday and Tel Aviv Israel doesn't make sense unless you believe in something beyond
math this is what drives the world crazy because if Israel is real if this improbable ancient
hated nation is somehow still chosen protected and thriving then maybe God isn't a myth after all
maybe he's still the story maybe history isn't random maybe evil doesn't get the last word
maybe the Jews are not just people but a testimony
who wrote that yeah but this is the world we live in every nation now almost every nation
as prophesied in Zechariah will be against Israel who wrote that the quote that that's
that is written by an incredible former Israeli defense officer his name is Amir Sarfati
and he lives near Jerusalem and so James I think it's gaslighting I think it's gaslighting the same
with the Ukraine the ridiculous notion that Ukraine could ever beat Russia in a war and
and you know everyone in the United Kingdom was invited to believe that within a week of the war
starting Ukrainian flags were being flown in British gardens the first flag I've ever seen
flown of any nationality the Ukrainian flag flying in British gardens within a week of the
announcement of the start of that war in 22 and it's just ridiculous you know it was always
ridiculous it's still ridiculous but Trump doesn't say what you've just said which this doesn't make
sense about Israel it didn't make sense about Russia and Ukraine and it still doesn't anyway
brilliant James thank you so much thank you for sharing thank you for sharing that James and
Stephen thank you for the questions and amazing food for thought everybody what makes the world
tick all right we've got lots of hands up Jim so we will go with one thing I wanted to bring to
your attention in terms of our future and it relates to Jerome Corsi last week he announced to
us that his next book would be on transhumanism and Avery Brinkley who was a regular attendee here
he shared a piece and Paul Alexander published it this morning on the thread of AI and one of the
geniuses behind AI says you know we're in serious danger from this so I'll put the link into it it's
a very interesting proposition I've been saying it for 10 years and the question you know it's
might be something that we talk about but Jerome was going to be talking about transhumanism
in his next book those books three of his trilogy so I urge all of you to think about what
the dangers of AI are and its self-assembling machinery capabilities which is certainly happening
thank you Sebastian
Dr Thorpe good evening again and thank you for your dissertation on the whole COVID experience
which I think we do have to continually repeat because if we don't we're going to lose track of
this but I would like to ask you if you've if you've ever gone on to other studies
specifically I would like to refer to the this is not okay Charles Charles
it is the the Robert Koch Institute which had a study of the of the influenza in Germany
and it was strange because when COVID broke out I actually went into the data into the
Robert Koch Institute I also read a lot of information that they were giving out
and some of it you can't attain anymore and specifically the year 2017 to 2018 Germany did
have an extreme influenza outbreak and we had all in all we had three hundred and thirty three
thousand plus cases of which the death rate was within I'd like to emphasize this within three
months 1665 deaths where I'm now looking at the data that we're seeing for 2022 2023 as well as
from 2019 to 2020 etc etc just 22 to 23 we had 292 300 plus and only 1026 deaths so I do have to
ask myself when did this really start is it really COVID I don't think so and if so it I
believe personally that it's a biological weapon but were you able to get gather data from other
countries considering that Germany is 83 million plus so roughly a quarter of the U.S. population
a significant amount of data right there considering the size of the country also
So
great question Dr. Sebastian. No not doctor thank you but not doctor.
Well it's a great question nonetheless and we we have published on the metrics of around the world
of many different countries and and we looked at many different outcomes including
the tests per capita the deaths per capita the diagnosis of COVID-19
viral illness per capita and you know I can I can drop that into the chat but it's very interesting
because it does I believe maybe support your hypothesis in that what we found was that
the more you tested the more cases of COVID you have the more you tested the more people
have done so I think that from that study and I'll put that in the chart
and my research group published that in 2022 I think it was 2022 but you know you bring up
a very interesting point I try to study as much as read as much as I can but remember I'm an OBG
high-risk OBGYN doctor and and I do you know this is my area of expertise I'm I'm still
practicing now for 46 years so I feel very qualified to talk about stuff in my wheelhouse
you know um yes I publish outside of my wheelhouse and I study outside of my wheelhouse but
I don't think that I have your expertise I will say that I I followed a lot of people
in the world that I have tremendous amount of respect for I'll name some of them off I think
some of them have presented here Dr. Anna Mihalsha MD PhD you know Denis Van Kloet many that take a
viewpoint of you know the respiratory virus was not real or even further extreme there's no such
thing as viruses and you know I respect people on both sides of that argument my own bias is that
it's hard for me to get away from the fact that in my reality in my world there are viruses
and I I won't go into all the details but it's a it's a really really great question and
unfortunately I don't have the answer to it and the same can be said by the way for this
self-replicating um um I'll say units of computer devices at the basic level within your blood after
the vaccine I respect several who will stake their life on it and several who say it's all
made up and it's all artifact you know and and both people have been on this program
I I can't make a decision where I lie because I don't know
um
okay well thank you very much James so Sebastian or Zahriel is from the Durand and he can arrange
for you to be interviewed if you wish by the Durand it's very influential it's I don't think
it's big in numbers but they've got the brilliant Alexander Mercouris there um
well I that's just one of them isn't it Sebastian but anyway maybe you can
uh send an email to me uh Sebastian I'll pass it to James sure okay thank you all right thank
you Sebastian okay Albert baby our vares man uh thank you gosh we got we got the A team here
and I apologize to the audience up front but uh uh Dr Thorpe is is like my big brother
my big brother so I call him Jimbo so how you doing Jimbo I'm doing great Albert thank you
so my question my first uh quick question was I put a couple of images in the um in the comments
section and it had to do with uh PRR and I know you're familiar with it uh these images and I
know that I showed you a one time working um um with uh Stephen Rubin the creator of medalerts.org
who came out with a PRR tool uh that was um got a lot of help from Wayne at varesanalysis.info
for that and but I bring all that up because as you know the medra codes aka the symptoms which
aren't technically ICD-10 codes um we always talk about the lowest level of medra codes aka symptoms
but it there's actually five levels that rolls all the way up to organ class and when you do
analysis at organ class you can clearly see that the reproductive system and breast disorders
organ class jumps up to number one by far um beyond endocrine and cardiac whatever they have
defined as all these different uh organ classes what organ class was it that stood out again that
which reproductive system and breast disorders was the number one organ class
male and female male and female wow I was not aware of that yeah so the question was
would you be interested somewhere down the line to put out a paper kind of like what you're doing
already with these PRRs but to show the PRRs at at every level especially the highest level organ
class because what's happening at least in the VAERS data is that these miscarriages and fetal
demises are so discounted by the definition of what VAERS says is considered a serious adverse
event which is basically hospitalization and above so a lot of these demises like miscarriage they
don't rise to that level and they get discounted because they're they're considered not serious so
not serious miscarriage and that's why you can't really see it but when you do it at the PRR
fifth level organ class all of it it just jumps out and sticks out like a sore thumb
I'd be fascinated to work with you on that um I'd be you know you're way above my area of expertise
in VAERS as you are the rest of the world not not real not really I will say this with regard to the
PRR you know I've started relabeling in our most current paper remember in the paper that you and I
first um in 2003 with Mike Descovich the PhD DOD right you won't mind me calling him out now
but remember we went through this incredibly sophisticated process using Monte Carlo simulations
we used the Poisson e distribution to compare disproportionality but we called it a PRR
and in many experts eyes that's fine it's one in the same but in other experts eyes it's not so
remember in that paper we did it we did the Poisson regression and the Poisson e test of
disproportionality although we followed it a PRR it was the same whether we did an adverse event
per shot adverse event per person vaccinated or adverse event per time so in the paper subsequent
to that that by the way you have been an author on I think Julie Threat was an author on it
um God bless her I hope she's doing well um but we um we only use the PRR or um we only use the
distribution per time because if you do it per shot and per person vaccinated it was so thousands
of hours so that's a proxy but I've spoken to a lot of experts so many different opinions I spoke
with Martin Koldorf now that's on ASAP and he goes you know Jim it's probably best to call that
an odds ratio per time rather than PRR which I think that's good so that's what we've done on
on our paper um subsequent papers but I'd love to work on this project with you
and so with the PRR if you remember it was Zach Stibert the journalist from the Epoch Times who
got that FOIA of the PRR information from the CDC and then when he got it he somehow worked with
Josh Getscow and Josh Getscow through Substack and his social media presence got that information
out and um with that uh I like Josh Getscow myself uh I do too found him in the beginning and um
might be too much information but he's he's also a San Jose kid and his father still practices
still practices here in San Jose so I knew that he was he was on our show you shared that with me
yeah good so I hope to I hope to meet him next time he's in he's in town um and I actually pulled
out this this book here which you can't really see this is my advertisement this is the Santa
Clara County Medical Association physician directory back in 2002 I'm getting long in the
tooth when I had a billing company and Josh's dad's picture is in is in this book oh wow
anyways that's all I got Jimbo God bless you all right thanks Albert good job
okay Julie you've been unwell yep went into the hospital hey there hi Jim hi my
best friend in the plant he's the most amazing guy you you know God bless you I'm so uh sorry
to hear all the travesty you've been through yeah I tell you these uh these vaccines just keep on
giving and um you know this anemia that I suffered major blood loss my my hemoglobin was 2.4 they
said I should have been dead so thank God for a strong heart but um I appreciate your support
got me off the road so I'm not on the road with Ron today but I am fighting the pharmacy industrial
complex as you know because CVS here in Chico after I got out of the hospital decided to
withhold my two medications the hospital prescribed because I was anti-vaccine I literally
read that to my face yeah and you should sue them yeah so I'm going to the California State
Border Pharmacy and I filed a complaint there but anyway enough about me um I two questions for you
so you know my daughter um who's of childbearing age her menstrual problems really started back in
eighth grade with the HPV shot the Gardasil shot which again did so much damage not only to her
ovaries but her entire eighth grade soccer team she was an elite athlete all came down with
exercise-induced asthma right after that you know required HPV shot for eighth grade entry so my
question for you and again I was pro-vaccine until these two shots of Moderna destroyed me
and four shots killed my mother and then once I got fired for refusing a booster I started
researching everything and now I'm a vaccine abolitionist so um I'm finding that these poor
young people these these women and and pregnant women they're still under assault by other
vaccines can you just confirm that there's just not a one that any pregnant woman should take
1000% no pregnant women should take any vaccines not a one I mean they're pushing the Tdap on the
third trimester it's just absurd it's just so upsetting but um you're absolutely right I I you
know maybe one possible exception you know I could even think of but still it's not proven safe or
effective and that would be if a woman became pregnant and had a baby and had a baby and had
pregnant and she didn't have a spleen one could make an argument that she is at risk for dying
from pneumococcal pneumonia and should get the pneumobacteria that's that's the only exception
there's there's no doubt us to say it's safe or effective in that regard yeah it's just absurd I
just you know I um you know recently Dr. Mulholland came out and said that I guess Trump and RFK Jr.
are close to pulling the COVID vaccine off the market we're all skeptical right and we're all
like yeah really seriously close every single day people are dying from this shot it should be pulled
day you know today but my second question is your your association of ob-gyn's right who are just
defying all logic and continuing to push these shots as is the as the pediatricians how do you
tackle taking that association either down on who's in charge of it how do we get that group
you know basically disbanded if at all possible and thank you for your time today
well thank you so much and I'm praying for you Julie you're an incredible warrior with all these
health departments you're showing up to with um you know I just keep speaking the truth and um I
got to give Maggie my wife the credit um for um really slapping ACOG silly with her freedom of
information and at request because she proved they were corrupt she proved we proved I helped her
craft that request they didn't know who we were back then they should have done their homework
they certainly should have done their homework with Maggie figuring out she was an attorney that had
busted some very large global companies for fraud um and and so but they didn't and they spilled
the beans um the only way we can take them down you know they're defying uh RFK J. Bhattacharya
and Marty Macri declaration you know that we no longer recommend COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy
thank you Jesus you know six days after I testified in the synod as to such I don't know
if it was related to that but I was elated to hear it but you know the American Academy of
Pediatrics the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology the American College of Ob Obstetricians
in Gynecology and the Society of Maternal-Fetal Medicine are basically giving their middle finger
to RFK Junior uh Macri Marty Macri and J. Bhattacharya and you know they didn't even put it up on their
website so all their underlings this is why it's hard to clean the swamp up you know um Dan Bacino
he can't go in there and clean everybody out because he's got everybody all the underlings
that were put in by the last administration that are blind and spiritually deaf they can't see
they can't see truth God has put scales over their eyes you know they they they still
think that there's your whatever gender you want to be these organizations my organizations won't
allow us to publish pregnant woman it has to be pregnant person I mean this is their level of
delusion and it's like right out of Romans one
thanks Julie yes it's a pregnant person hey there we go Jim
and then Vera
hey Jim Jim take your time
my
uh is that better let's try that better let's try okay um so uh Jim I put in I sent you a text and
I put it in the chat a article written up from Israel about increasing fertility are you familiar
with that article I am not familiar with the article I plead ignorance okay take a look at
it I texted it to you in case you can't find it in the chat um it's a it's a study showing
increasing relative fertility in Israel and um understanding Albert Borla is a veterinarian
who specializes in immunocastration castrating with a series of vaccines
is um yeah could the could this infertility as seems to be uh well fertility seems to be increasing
among certain groups in Israel and decreasing among others is there a Jim Jim I'm sorry to
interrupt yet because I'm not hearing really well are are you are you saying that infertility is
increasing no I'm saying fertility is increasing in certain groups and decreasing in others
that's interesting I mean you're familiar with you're familiar with the study from
Czechoslovakia right by right by Menas if you could send to me I'd appreciate it because you
know there's so many studies and I don't know that I recognize one from Czechoslovakia I just
so I hopefully will be a little more accurate but I'll but I want you to take a look at that article
because it shows increasing fertility among certain people and my question is about ACE2
receptor mediated infertility ACE2 receptor mediated infertility um the ACE2 receptors are
highest per square centimeter in men's testicles and there are high ACE2 receptors I believe
in women's ovaries and this made me the and the ACE2 receptors are on the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
is this the is the ACE2 receptor the mediated uh position from which the spike protein attacks
fertility Jim that is such an incredible question but nobody knows other than God
this is exactly the kind of stuff we're trying to focus on in the advanced biological research
group abrg.org such an incredible question but nobody has the answer to it and nobody
I think the research on I think they have and I think the people who invented the SARS-CoV-2 spike
protein know and because you run these tests on supercomputers beforehand protein synthesis and
things like that I'll talk to you offline about uh about that and maybe I can suggest some questions
with you and Dr. Hatfield about how you could find out and how you can possibly inquire
to the intelligence agencies who may know more than they are letting on
my um and I have if I may I will ask another question no is this is this Jim Thomas
yes ah okay gotcha it's a great question Jim and and then the other question is about
alternatives to vaccines we're telling these women that we shouldn't they they possibly
shouldn't get vaccinated because the dangers of these vaccines I agree with that but we need to
give them alternatives and I'm suggesting as you have heard me before nitrizoxinide
as a medication that clears hepatitis b and hepatitis c it's an anti-parasitic that is also
a broad spectrum antiviral stops the replication of measles stops the replication of Ebola stops
the replication of chikunga virus shouldn't we be off and is safe and by the way is safe
not only in pregnant women but in infants shouldn't we be offering nitrizoxinide as a
possible alternative to these vaccines even before people test positive for infections even before
they test positive for Ebola if they have symptoms treat it first while you're testing or while you're
waiting for the test to get back what are your thoughts on nitrizoxinide as a early treatment
and prophylaxis I'd never be comfortable with using it in pregnancy but I think some um if you
can show me safety data in pregnancy there's none that I could find and I'm really I won't even use
natural substances in pregnancy because you know the fetus going from you know the flash of light
at the time of conception to the 64 cell stage the morilla and you know and then you start dividing
off into the three germ lines you know the ectoderm mesoderm endoderm and on you go this is the most
fragile the most delicate the most vulnerable artwork of God and it's the most vulnerable to
any substances and this is why we don't let pregnant women eat sushi or drink alcohol
so I'm not comfortable even with dandelion root there's no studies showing me safety listen I can
tell you I can show you a lot of natural substances that that are allegedly safe in general population
but are very dangerous for pregnant women so you know it's the same thing with natokinase
I'm not comfortable God forbid it might be helpful but I'm not comfortable with natokinase
or even large doses of bromelain in pregnancy thank you and I'll give you the doc I don't have
the documentation on pregnancy I if I said that I misspoke I had the documentation on
inf use of nitrozoxin and infants and and the use of nitrozoxin and of course we have the
documented use of hydroxychloroquine in pregnancy and that is proved to be very stable and and they
say not enough of a good thing so see I could pick out your last name not having it written on
the screen because I know your brilliant questions Jim you're very kind and so thank you very much
for answering and I'll get you some more documentation thanks thanks Jim Vera
haven't seen you for a while lovely to see you very nice I'm really glad that I attended this
particular presentation because it was very very reassuring in a certain way in particular I I like
the way you described how you spoke to the family the parents of this 15 year old this is terribly
important because it's one thing for scientists and doctors to talk to each other and to argue
about details finesse and develop their theories however what we really need is to assure the public
that they can make decisions life changing decisions life protecting decisions and that
you don't need experts they have been told over and over listen to the experts and who were the
experts well you delineated the the various establishment experts none of them are to be
trusted none now when I first and I'm not a scientist I'm not a lawyer I'm a survivor
which gives me tremendous antenna and I know history and when COVID was first announced and
declared you know this great pandemic and I looked at what they were actually doing I recognized T4
and sure enough and I live in New York City early on what Governor Cuomo did
was issue a mass murder order yep okay and you have no idea how people within the so-called
freedom movement oh no Vera you can't say that how can you say that they they didn't know they
didn't oh yes they did and now this is what I really want to emphasize and you have a bit too
which is everything that's been done and the organs targeted are bio weapons and they're
bio weapon let's just it's never been anything but bio weapon the point is that they realize that
they've gotten to the point in their plan and there is a they it's an international and they've
told us I mean actually Klaus Schwab told us you know we need to get rid of populations Bill Gates
says it all the time and has been doing it in Africa yes vaccines as bio weapon we really need
to understand that you know and and you've stressed it quite a bit and I'm really glad especially the
OBGN because you're at the very heart of does the you know do we the population the human population
do we survive what they plan is not for us to survive and this is the hardest thing for most
good people to accept people cannot believe in evil that other people can really plan evil well
yes they can and the reason that they've gotten so far it is because nobody is held accountable
there were show trials in Germany after World War II but no those were not the major World War II
financiers and profiteers and none of them were even mentioned and the same clan the same people
with all those German scientists that were snuck into the United States and taught
the doctors and scientists at the highest level institutions Harvard Yale the whole bit
how to do it the Nazi way operation paperclip right correct that's right but it's more than that
it really because nobody has ever been punished for what they do that's right that is the problem
and you know really for a while everybody was only the pharmaceuticals but no the
pharmaceuticals could not have gotten the entire western world to go along with the COVID
lockdown or anything else it's the doctors people are you know they it's more than instinct
it's been led to believe always doctor knows best listen to your doctor and as you have
yourself suffered by this by standing up and and steadying your mind
this is what if more doctors would have done it the whole thing would have been dead like that
all it needed you know now it's it's interesting because I've been dealing with this for a very
long time initially when I first got involved and I heard the term clinical trial controlled
clinical trials and I said oh yeah whoever pays for it controls it and I was told no theory you
don't understand and I got a whole you know lecture about what are controlled clinical trials well
here we are 25 years later and guess what exactly he who pays for them controls it and controls the
literature completely and not only that you might also mention that the literature the way that
works it's a scam the people who are the peer reviewers are the ones who have similar articles
in you know ready to also be so each one is working the field for the other because they're
all in it together and it's I once gave a talk at a conference where Marcia Angel was there this was
before she came out with her very famous editorial and at that time when she heard what I told about
what was being done to children in psychiatric research she was so horrified she said that's so
ugly that's so ugly she couldn't believe it just ask Peter Bregan I know I mean I'm right yes but
you see psychiatry led it in Germany Nazi Germany that was the lead lead medical people and they've
you know their ethos has spread now to even pediatricians what could be what could be a worse
betrayal of that doctor trust part of it has to do with public health I think that we really need to
rethink what the heck is public health that's right all that money all that power
public health who does it trump does it trump does it is it more important than a physician
patient relationship no it should never trump a physician patient relationship ever that's but
that's what they told you don't listen to right listen to the experts your doctor is not an expert
doctors essentially though if truth be told and I you know I happen to have been in a profession
that no longer exists so I have a degree in librarian library science that doesn't exist
anymore since everyone does things on their own on the internet you know and so it meant that all
the faculties had to learn to type before that they didn't it's kind of cute but really this is
you know this is a whole profession going down doctors have gone along with government edicts
and those electronic records are now and you know this is no more doctor patient
relationship at all there's no that's right no more confidentiality none of it
that changed everything really and the fact that doctors can no longer afford to be in their own
practice and they're all being swept into hospitals that's right Vera then it is the lawyer at the
hospital who dictates what you do not no more professional judgment that's right totally
eliminated and so you know nurse practitioners are at least 10 times less costly
end of story you don't need doctors and doctors are embracing medicine through the internet
I mean you don't even want to be near a patient it's it's going in other words the shots are a
major weapon which they worked on very you know methodically but it's but the the mindset the
fact that they've controlled people's way of thinking not to question not to question just
to accept if government tells you to do just do it don't ask questions
yep well said Vera and the same thing in Australia in 1975 when Medicare was introduced I was a tax
lawyer at the time income of doctors went through the roof they all had tax problems so I was helping
them minimize their tax but that's when medicine ceased to be medicine and became a menage à trois
between between the drug dealer called a doctor the patient and the government and you know
and that's the doctor that generation so it's 1975 so we're talking 50 years ago this year that that
system came in in Australia so absolutely correct follow the protocol follow the system as we've
often talked about here and the lawyers get involved as Jim knows with Maggie his wife being a
lawyer you know you don't follow the protocol if the hospital doesn't follow the protocol bang the
lawyers are in big time Jim just one question can I get in touch with you directly do you have
are you putting your contact I'd love to talk to you I'll I'll I'll write you right now in the
chat and give you my cell phone number okay thank you very much thank you James you know that Vera
is a Holocaust survivor don't you um I I didn't remember that yeah she was in a concentration
camp at the age of seven isn't that right Vera three and a half three and a half sorry
it's a whole story but yes so she knows about medical ethics going wrong and she knows about
the Nuremberg code she knows about the the doctor's trial in Nuremberg and and as a result of that
and they were American prosecutors James they're um rightly so uh I'm glad they but they seem to
have forgotten so seven doctors were hanged on the second of June 1948 for human medical experimentation
and the Nuremberg code came out of that and everybody is saying briefing against the Nuremberg
code because guess what there are 10 points there about medical ethics including most importantly
informed consent which it goes on about at length but then they came in with the Helsinki
declarations they watered it down and then everybody said oh doesn't matter but the Nuremberg
code was indirigible as far as any doctor was concerned that was the intention Nuremberg code
is like the 10 commandments essentially you can't change a word it's part absolutely legal
decision and nobody ever questioned it so that's that and Helsinki you can change any time of the
day absolutely yeah but the Nuremberg code is always the Nuremberg code you can't amend the
Nuremberg code that was the intention yeah thank you so much Vera thank you thank you Vera we'll
make sure and Jim I'll send you through Vera's two presentations to this group I'll send you
the links Jim so you can thank you what's Vera in action Vera I just sent you my cell phone number
on the chat thank you all right Mark and Stephen I've got to go onto a radio I'm being interviewed
on radio in about two minutes so sure I'll take over Charles it's okay Mark over to you good luck
to you thank you thank you Jim thank you very much for a wonderful presentation
great story what I'd like to ask is you mentioned and I'd like to have it on record you you mentioned
that pregnant women should not be having anything my daughter was pressurized and unfortunately she
agreed to have the whooping cough vaccine not once but twice each each time she became pregnant
she had the whooping cough vaccine what I'd like to know or first of all is confirmation that
nobody that should not have actually happened and secondly what symptoms could she actually
be suffering from because she does seem to be getting ill more often she's not COVID
vaccine you know she sorry it's not a vaccine she didn't take the COVID jabs but this she it seems
to be having problems after having these whooping cough jabs she I've reviewed all the literature
in pregnancy on the whooping cough that is pertussis in the United States it can only be given
what a great bonanza for the unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies it can't be separated
in the United States America from dpt from diphtheria in tetanus it's given three and
it's an abomination it the science is fake it was all jerry-rigged pharmaceutical publications
there's no long-term follow-up and by the way there's there is no credible data suggesting
even outside of pregnancy that the pertussis vaccine reduced the number of deaths from whooping
cough that I'm aware of you know I look at turtles all the way down vaccine science and myth so now
I think the second question you have it it's really impossible for me to tell you what myriad
thousands of potential symptoms she could have suffered from taking the dpt I just know that
it's pseudoscience
right thank you very much great question thank you very much jim thanks so james it looks as I
need to find some questions for you so um uh but I do encourage people to ask questions because
you come from uh different places you have different perceptions we all have different
perceptions and um and much of the time we don't realize this and we need to trust ourselves so
if you have questions and you're curious you've got someone you've got a leader here to ask on
he's on the right side of 50 I think um you know anyone who uh is going to be followed by the public
is going to be on the right side of 50 uh ie older because that's the way in all functioning
societies things work um and and we know that james is authentic we know that he's uh trustworthy so
yes that doesn't mean he's going to be right about everything so jim I don't think you're
you would claim to be right about everything all the time but yeah people are as I said to you on
the phone yesterday james I noticed that people are completely lost they have no values they don't
go to church in the united kingdom they don't know the 10 commandments they don't know anything they
don't know their history they don't know the world map they don't know how many states are in america
but when I was at school I think most of the people I was at school with I did know um the
50 states in america and how it could make a good shot at naming them all I can name them all in
about or write them down in about um five minutes but it's easy to forget one but even yeah it's
possible to do it but anyway the point is you know what I mean people are badly read they don't think
it's necessary to read uh they don't have any books in the house it's just crazy and and they're there
to protect their own children they don't even understand that so generation of Greta Thunberg's
correct well of course she comes from one of the problem countries Sweden yes so people used to
say to me oh because my wife is Swedish I lived in Sweden I worked in Sweden as a doctor I trained
there as a radiologist actually in london and um but the point is that uh people said to me
oh Sweden didn't need a lockdown you know so Sweden's not got lockdowns I said they didn't
need it and they said why not because the government already believed that sorry the
public already believed the government anyway so the totalitarianism had already made inroads there
that's what I'm saying so James I just want to ask you um I think in order to hold people to
account we have to kind of understand what has gone on in the last five years do you think that
there was a pandemic we were told in 2020 that there was a pandemic pandemic was declared so we
know that lots of lives were told why would we believe that there was a pandemic because I think
that was just another lie and if you explain that to the public they're very interested
because of course they suffered um with the measures in the UK and around the world
because of the pandemic which never occurred in my opinion I don't think the COVID-19 was properly
diagnosed PCR test you know that was a pile of rubbish but clinically it wasn't properly
diagnosed people were saying oh loss of taste and loss of smell but in my opinion as a medical
doctor there was no symptom which was pathognomonic for COVID-19 so if we don't explain this to the
public they're never going to understand it they're always going to be in a state of Stockholm
syndrome wondering what the heck happened in 2020 2021 2022 and they're still not well
so James what do you think well I think you're right it's kind of like 9-eleven um you know it
was uh the Patriot you know the Patriot Act well it sounded really good right but it was devastating
it wasn't a patriot patriotic thing to do at all it was anti-patriot absolutely you know once the
you know once the government takes power they never yield it back they never relinquish it
I mean if we've learned anything from Adam up until you know the 2000 years before Abraham
and 2000 years between Abraham and Christ and 2000 years since Christ if we've learned one thing
that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
yeah I can't remember who that whose quote that was power corrupts and absolute power
corrupts absolutely is it Aldous Hesley I don't um was it uh I don't know was it Burke
maybe Burke Edmund uh was it Edmund Burke I can't quite remember Kirk Moore will know
I'm going to go to the questioners they've got their hands up now so Mark um go ahead Mark
Thank you um uh Jim uh what we've got over here in the UK is currently anybody that is let's say 60
uh plus right they are being advised to have statins they're advised to have a flu jab
have a flu jab they're advised to go for a booster covid jab and they're advised to um have now a
pneumonia uh vaccine jab um this seems to be uh a protocol which is driven by the government
not necessarily by the actual doctor because um I recently have been asked to come for
the flu the covid and pneumonia right now I'm almost 70 I don't take any medication whatsoever
and I'm pretty fit and I'm sure my doctor would say I was pretty fit but I keep getting texts
asking me to come along for these jabs so is it a question of the let's say the government
wanting people over a certain age to have these or is it a question that the medical profession
wants you to have them because they will earn money on providing this service particularly
with statins because you'll be taking them for life I think your question is brilliant remember
Edward Jenner in he said 1898 right um or 1798 what am I saying I think it was 1798 Edward Jenner
somebody fact check me on that the father of vaccines right and and it was he that that was
trying to treat smallpox and back then and I believe that what they called it back then was
varicella vaccina
latin vaccini is cow so that's cowpox that's latin varicella vaccine is cowpox and isn't it
ironic as John Leake would say and Peter McCullough in their new book isn't it ironic
that vaccines are named after a cow right because they've been the biggest cash cow ever to mankind
I mean it's all based on really on embezzlement on money and power on pseudoscience
self-enrichment and non there's nothing academic it's an ideology it's like a it's like a religion
it's an ideology
um so Mark I know about this so people tell me about those texts and various other means of
communication it's crazy so the people the very people who shouldn't be having these shots
are having the shots the most exposed people are the the old and the vulnerable they shouldn't be
having these shots but did you notice the British government and governments around the world were
saying oh we can't let the 20 year olds have the covid shots you know they weren't saying it like
that that essentially was the message but we can give it to the old people to protect them but in
fact they want to get rid of the old people because they don't want to pay them their pensions in fact
they haven't got any money to pay them their pensions so that's right very true mark you know
what I'm saying the latest literature on the influenza vaccine it's a failed strategy from
beginning because it's again it's a rapidly dividing RNA virus forget about a vaccine
ever working in a rapidly dividing RNA virus number one so it's all based upon computer models
and number two the most recent study suggests that it doesn't prevent influenza it increases
the risk of influenza and it increases the risk of para other viral illnesses so it's it's totally
ridiculous and James wouldn't you agree that if you've got a dangerous vaccine or a possibly
dangerous vaccine the last person you give it to is the oldest people and the and the disabled
it's just yes that sounds like they want to get rid of these people I think they do
there's no respect for them like do like uh it's exactly like Vera was talking about New York
City's you know but all the stuff all the people and all the sick people in the in the homes for
the gypsies they went up to the gypsies you know one thing that I've noticed is that
the big push in the pharmacy they've got a huge poster up asking people if they want ozempic
and it's kind of like well hang on a minute uh these are these are not people that have been
recommended it is if you want to pay for it yourself you can come in for ozempic but
I've actually explained to people that it could lead to serious complications including blindness
right but they don't seem to be they don't seem to care
well it's like they if they can get away with it and it doesn't make sense all the better because
if it doesn't make sense and they get people to believe them and they go along meekly and
take their vaccine when it's really dangerous for them um that's they've won haven't they because
they've psychologically they they've taken this person's mind out of existence they've cancelled
a human being that's what they want to do they want everything to to not make sense so that they
get people to believe things which they know they shouldn't believe and go and take a vaccine
which they know to be dangerous so they can go on holiday but what's the use of going on holiday
if you're not well anyway so don't try to make sense of what they say mark just yeah say oh yet
another lie another misleading thing that they're telling the public outrageous anyway um so i'd like
to hear from kirk more um first and then we'll come to you tom and jessica
oh you muted kirk
uh i'll be very brief sorry for um i i guess my hand came down for some reason sir kirk
sure jim good to see you it did i don't know that the audience was aware that you were knighted
when was i knighted during during your presentation uh you were knighted the first time you and i met
on a space three years ago or so oh that's right that's right i was knighted i got the Nobel peace
prize and the congressional i get the congressional medal of freedom yeah you got it yeah amen bro
maybe now you're beginning to understand that you are really ironclad now because you know you've
been let out of jail by the u.s government and nobody can touch you now no no not not anymore
um hey listen very don't drive that ferrari too fast uh yeah well that's the only way they
that's why they can't touch me um uh um jim i just wanted to bring up and you i think you and steven
we're talking about this um in terms of you know um history and uh and and kind of um making sure
that we don't repeat it um the struggle that i have is um you still don't really know what we
still don't really know what happened with the spanish flu 100 years ago um it's still a very
mine you know it's still very much in the minority that this was really not an influenza or i mean a
pandemic um and you still have to search really hard to kind of find out what the truth is behind
it um and you know overdoses on aspirin the meningococcal vaccine that was being used and
experimented with um and you know unless we can do a better job of crafting the narrative to the
victor you know the victor writes the history books and 100 years from now covid is going to be
you know kind of memory hold or at least the truth behind covid is going to be memory hold
with you know the same thing that happened with the spanish flu so that's just my single
contribution right now i got in really late i was um on another conference call so i missed
your presentation jim i apologize about that not at all i that's scary to think about what
the statement that you just made it's a um it's a scary thought well i personally think it's
incredibly important kirk um what you're saying because essentially what you're saying is
we have to develop an understanding for this which is sufficiently good to change public
opinion about what happened in 2020 because at the moment they haven't got a clue what happened
they know it was wrong but they can't articulate what was wrong and that's not going to be good
enough for the history books so we have to change public opinion somehow to understand to get them
to understand you know our version which i think you and you agree that well i don't want to coerce
you into agreeing with me but i don't think there was a pandemic i don't think covid 19 existed
it was all a pack of lies everything they said there was no emergency and by the way james and
kirk because you're both american the american government extended the state of emergency
re-covid on the tw- on in december at the end of december 2024 after trump had been elected
but before he became president and that extension is there for another five years now i think trump
can't have it both ways he can't be saying to the people i'm working for the people i think he's
doing a lot of good things for america and for the american people but he can't at the same time
hide the fact because it looks as though it's being hidden that the um state of emergency in
the united states of america the prep act was extended um in december of 2024 and at the same
time continue to claim that he's working for the american people he has to someone has to get close
to trump and tell him what's going on personally so it doesn't get diluted by some advisor who
doesn't understand and then trump has to take action so he essentially we could write an open
letter to him so then everybody in the world knows that he's received that letter
jim or you want me to answer that yeah well either of you either of you so i think
that's that's been one of my major um that's been one of my major pushes this whole
you know this whole time the not not only was it extended in december it was extended for five
years yes prior to that the extensions were six months or 12 months at a time the only reason
that's extended to you know for the for what it is is so that the emergency use authorization
part of the prep act can still kind of be um used and is is still in place and it protects
all of the pharmaceutical companies from being sued and i've said this over and over and over
again this could end and it should end and it should end immediately and our and our junior
is the single person that can actually end the state of emergency emergency he is the hhs secretary
which under the prep act allows him to end it he doesn't have to mention covid he doesn't have to
mention vaccines he doesn't have to mention anything at all he just says you know we are
no longer in a state of emergency and i'll tell you what the overnight all of these mrna vaccines
all of this uh stuff will go away will be completely gone because the pharmaceutical companies will not
be able to withstand the liability lawsuits that they would be hit with absolutely so in the united
kingdom in the united kingdom we have um the coronavirus act had it and it was very difficult
to know what was happening to the coronavirus act and i still don't know because someone
told me today that in his opinion the coronavirus act is still in operation in the united kingdom
so i'm going to go and see my mp and ask for this mp to ask a parliamentary question uh
and they have to tell the truth is there or is there not is the coronavirus act still in
force in the united kingdom the same thing as in the united states you've got something in force
which dictates everyone knows that they have to jump when it comes to this including trump it looks
like so we need to get to the bottom of this because once we've got that out of the way in
both countries and in other countries then we can make progress but i don't think we can make
progress until we've got rid of them so sorry about that james um i think it's a very important
point and i think you know what vera was saying we need to hold people to account otherwise and
kirk is saying that history will record that we don't know what happened in 2020 if we don't speak
out we are medical doctors the three of us and we should together i think work to get the the
message out to the public it's not just about the the vaccinations which were dangerous and not
effective the lie about that it's about treason this is treason no less anyway
so kirk do you have any comments or james
no i think your points are really well taken there's there's a lot of controversy you know i
i don't um i i voted for trump three times i think you know one one could try to
paint him as possibly one of the best presidents in the history of the united states of america
i don't agree with a lot of stuff he's done and i'm i'm really disturbed by a lot of
including you know putting together all these ai packages and all these bills and yeah just
it's and not but then there's i have to open up my mind you know there's these famous people
this artist i'm blocking on his name viva out there in california that was saying that the
pandemic was planned since the early 2000s and and he claims that had trump been elected president
he claims that had trump not done what he did all of us would be in concentration camps right now
fema camps and you know that fena camp threat i mean that was real i mean several investigators
have looked at fema camps all over the united states of america in every state including
multiple in florida my own state those were real and what they're saying is that trump had to do
what he did and put it in or we would all be in concentration camps if we dissented i don't know
what the truth is well i think trump is extremely talented so i think i know liars when i see liars
after my ridiculous case you know the whistleblowing case five and a half years of that nonsense
i know liars when i see them and in 2020 i knew straight away i was being lied to by all the
governments in the world and nobody else around me in north wales could see it and um but um i
think that a trump i see i've been looking at him very carefully looking at all his um uh press
conferences you know in in the oval office caroline levers as well and i see someone who's
incredibly talented he may you know fear for his life on certain issues he's also extremely
courageous um and um and he has a remarkable ability to connect with other human beings
i have never seen anything like it and he works like a dog he is an extraordinary uh guy whatever
you think of him you know he's not perfect obviously as a human being but he's extraordinary um i think
we have to assume that he's working doing what he loves his family and he loves america i think he
does love his family and he loves america he's a bit full of himself to say the least but you know
it takes all types i he gives me hope i don't see anyone in the whole world apart from you james and
kirk and a few others jerome um who give and vera who give me hope and um so all the people
who are attacking trump and they can't name anyone who they prefer to see as the president
in the united states of america so um i think we have to work with who we've got and i think we
have to assume my personal opinion is we assume that he's a force for good and we try to get
close to him and get our message undiluted to him and we are medical doctors so we have
responsibility to do this amen hey steven i have another show that i gotta jump on too sure and
i feel really bad because i see a hand up oh what should we quickly do a one minute
question and one minute answer for the two people with their hands up i can do that
tom you have your hand up oh sure i can i have a bunch of questions about i'll just ask one
then and thank you for showing up on the short notice dr paul thomas is suing the cdc he's a
pediatrician yes i heard uh tom rance who's a lawyer saying that he might actually have standing
um is there anything we can do to help that along are you aware of that case i i've heard of it and
i love paul thomas um you know i i that's exactly what needs to be done and you know i'm also aware
and i'm involved with the case against the fresno hospital that um went after the whistleblower
chd is behind that case and i'm also being um asked to sue the hospital for the same thing
that the nurse was suing fresno hospital for so yeah um you know i think we need to stand behind
this we need we just like dr steven mentioned and vera mentioned and kurt mentioned i think
everybody's in agreement it's not just forget about it move on cast it no people have to be punished
or this will happen again absolutely thank you um so jessica richards um uh one minute for a
question jessica and um we'll try to hold you to a minute for the answer but you know you might
want to go on thank you um excuse me not having the camera on and thank you dr james so much for
your time very quick question and it's along the same lines that people do need to be held
accountable but what about the doctors who took the jabs themselves injected other people they've
also been injured but some of them and i know some of them still believe it all what happens
to those what category would they fit into when it comes to being people being held accountable
wow i don't have a great answer for that but that's a incredible question jenny and um so you
actually know somebody that they themselves know they were injured by the vaccine they
oh necessarily know they were injured they are clearly injured by the vaccine because they
become ill with a non-stop cough except but they themselves don't know they were injured they write
it off to something else yes okay it's just a nasal drip or it's this it's that or the other
and even someone not a warned the beginning this is breaking the nurenberg code because it's
experimental you know so no one can possibly give informed consent for an experiment i mean
that one cancels out the other but there are still doctors out there who will be held to account but
they are genuinely in the belief and they've taken they've taken the jabs themselves some of
them aren't injured by it and they have injected other people they just they are just believing
it what happens to those it's a really difficult situation yeah it's a very difficult question to
ask there's so much cognitive dissonance and there's so much shame and guilt um you don't
think about it jenny not only have they injected themselves which they can never undo
no your body may be making the bio weapon for the rest of their life and their life's going to be
attenuated if they really got the jab um yeah not the placebo but not only it gets worse they push
on their wives their children or their spouses and patients their extended family and then all
their patients they can never admit to all the carnage death and destruction it's you know i
i think one of the things that i try to teach my three daughters is to and i try to model this for
them and say you know call my daughters by name and say hey i'm really sorry i made a mistake i
screwed up please forgive me and you know i i've tried to do that publicly i've done it before
publicly i think on this platform you know i guess you haven't ever been an anti-vaxxer okay i'm a
disabled veteran i've pushed the vaccines um i've taken more vaccines than most of you all i'm an
old fart right and and yet i didn't come to my full knowledge and clarity that everybody shares on
this panel until after the turn of the century so i've probably done a great deal of harm and i've
publicly apologized for that i've repented and asked for forgiveness and moved on but you know
unfortunately most doctors and nurses don't have the capability the integrity emotionally or
spiritually or cognitively to do that unfortunately but it's a really liberating thing try it
get on a public platform and say may i cope a man copa may i ask my copa i screwed up i made a
mistake i trusted these people i agree but but i do think it's across the board even with ordinary
people the cognitive dissonance because the enormity of what may be the truth is too much for the
average person to process and i think some medics it's even worse because it means because i know a
couple of retired ones that came out of retirement to do it and took the jabs themselves they the
enormity of accepting or even considering that their whole career has been possibly harming people
i suppose is too much to process and then to think of well what do you do then have they got to be
held to account have they got to be punished
they're already in hell i think at some point good point i'll wait for god yeah when does it get
go from being held accountable to being vengeful yes good point it's a moral maze jessica but
we'll sort it out eventually um i just want to ask you one more question james if you've got time
it's really important thank you since thank you so much jessica for very thoughtful question
thank you jessica so uh since 2020 james until now five years of this
terrible times these are dreadful times well they're amazing in other ways because i think
you've formed new friendships with better people than before but um i mean it's hard not to judge
our former friends um because it feels like betrayal unfortunately but the point is i wanted
to ask you in the last um since 2020 the beginning of 2020 what is the most shocking thing to you
james um you know what did you find the most difficult to cope with the most shocking thing
in my so i'll give you an example in my case i think i thought human beings were better than
this i think the best way to describe it you know i really thought that human beings were better
than this and and so and the other thing i wanted to ask you was you know about the bible um
and i just wondered whether you could give uh people like me um your best quote from the
bible for these dreadful times we've been through since 2020
um
well that's a great one really putting me on the spot here i um i would i would say that um isaiah
chapter 40 um you know is is just so so powerful and it's for all of us uh
you know and and isaiah chapter 43 you know um can you give us an idea of what it says or is it
difficult to you know why do you say oh jacob why do you say israel you have not known me
i have disheartened you do you not know have you not heard i am the everlasting god the creator
of the heaven and earth and i will not grow weary um and it goes on from there
do you not know have you not heard i'm the everlasting god
maybe you can come back and give us the app of the the definitive quote read it i mean um and in
isaiah chapter 3 where he says i i know you you are mine i have engraved you on the palm of my hand
um joshua chapter 1 three times god commands us through joshua be strong and courageous
be strong and courageous be strong and courageous three times in joshua chapter 1 and then it's on
139 where god states that he knew you before conception he had your whole life planned for him
and um you know i created you in your innermost you know in your mother's womb i knew you
about the sanctity of life yes and the notion that human beings mere human beings
who don't even understand the universe they live in it's absolutely huge the universe as far as i
can understand um and um and the complexity of it they think they can set themselves up
to other human beings and say your child in order to to live to the age of five in the united
states of america needs 72 vaccinations i think it is this is just human hubris apparently god
didn't make us perfectly as he said in psalm 139 we're we're born with a vaccine deficiency apparently
so essentially this amazing universe um and god man comes along a mere species within that universe
the last in a long line of dominant species will one day be replaced no doubt um uh he comes along
and says well actually i know better than god or whoever the creator is um i so the the human
immune system is not good enough and and i want you to take these shots but i'm not going to tell
you what's in them and he gets public health which is actually just tyranny it's a tyranny
we were warned about it in medical school you know so it's public health and who suffers well
the individual but who's more important the public or the individual i think the individual
that's right i agree with you and that's the difference between a medical physician and public
health yes legislator so public health is communism i think taking care of the individual takes care
of the public by itself absolutely yes thank you kirk thank you so anyway thank you so much james
a brilliant presentation and we managed to get some um uh kind of philosophy out of you
towards the end thank you for having me steven thank you everybody mark kirk uh tom you're so
modest james you stick to you you stick to your lane and you're so modest
thank you very much for having me god bless you thank you so much yeah