two words which people understand these days. So I think it's particularly
effective to lawyers create the matrix and other lawyers get people out of the
matrix. It says it very succinctly.
That's true. You need lawyers to get out of the matrix. That's true.
Yeah. You need lawyers to buy a house or anything.
Yeah. All right. So everybody,
welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
Welcome to today's discussion. Before I introduce Dr. Kirk Moore to you from Utah,
I want to give you a quick update on what's happening with Reiner Fulmick,
a true freedom warrior.
And this information comes from the Inner Circle that at the last court hearing
in Germany on the 20th of June, I'm reading this so that all of you are aware
of what's happening of the corruption that's being imposed on Reiner Fulmick,
who's currently in jail. At the last court hearing on the 20th of June,
the court wanted to clear the way for its verdict to be read.
But Reiner Fulmick's attorneys were not present. Katja Wurmer is unwell and
Christoph Miserere, barrister, was not there for reasons unknown.
Then the court recessed and came back with the idea of appointing a required attorney
to Reiner because a court can't deliver its verdict without a party's lawyer present.
Reiner rejected this saying he only trusts his own attorneys. Then the court came back
with the idea of appointing Tobias Wiesenborn, who was a witness on behalf of Reiner.
Reiner rejected that too, saying that Wiesenborn was not privy to the material
his attorneys had and was therefore not appropriate. Still, the court tried to
contact this person and only when they ascertained that Wiesenborn was not in
the vicinity and therefore not available did they abandon their plan. So they called for a
postponement until July 10, which is the next court date. Evidently, Christoph Miserere has
a strategy. He'd already submitted a motion to have the lead judge removed from the trial because
of obvious bias against Reiner. Now Christoph has three more weeks to work his networks,
to shine light on this biased, corrupt court. The reporting on the trial by observers was that
there was tension throughout the session during the court and there was a massive police presence.
So I wanted people to know that. I wanted it to be on the recording
so that people around the world can understand the injustice that's being imposed.
To a man, a German US lawyer who is fighting for freedom, truth, justice, ethics and the proper
application of law. And that's why Stephen Frost started this group over three years ago. Stephen
Frost has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and
activist. His medical specialty is radiology. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.
I'm Australasia's passion provocateur. I've been a lawyer and I've been a professional speaker for
31 years. I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago. And over the last
13 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage.
I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. We comprise lots of professions here and we're
from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were okay. Now, many of us proudly say,
yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers. I count myself one of those. I am passionately anti-vax.
And I say that I've interviewed numerous medical experts and every one of them confirms there has
not been one proper safety and efficacy test on any vaccine ever. If any of you know of any,
please put them in the chat. They do not exist. If this is your first time here, welcome and feel
free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish a news, there are a
podcast, put the details or you've written a book like Jerome Corsi, put the details into the chat
and most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science
battle is only one of 12 battlefields of this latest world war. Today, Kirk is going to be
talking to us about the legal battlefield. Most of us understand the development of science and
the science is never settled. This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those
with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting, Tom puts the links into the chat as
you're able to join. We'll listen to our guest presenter, Kirk Moore, Dr Kirk Moore for as long
as Kirk wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. Stephen Frost, by long established tradition,
asks the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free speech environment.
Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. If you're offended
by anything, be offended. We're lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that
requires nobody to say anything that may offend another and if you play the offence game, you're
playing into the woke agenda which we here reject. We come with an attitude, a perspective of love,
not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you. Love on the other hand expands you.
Fear robs you of your freedoms. These twice weekly meetings are not just talk-fest. An
extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees
in these meetings. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help,
put the details into the chat. For example, last week during Jason Porter's discussion,
there was a reference to a book by William T Still called The New World Order published in 1990.
I'm halfway through that book. It is most instructive if you want to know who they are.
The meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel. All the meetings are up
on the Rumble channel. And now welcome to our guest presenter, Dr Kirk Moore. We thank you so
much for sharing your wisdom and your insights with us and I wish to give you some background
about Kirk for the purposes of the recording. He's a 59-year-old Utah physician now facing
15 years in prison for apparently simply doing what his patients asked, providing vaccine cards
to individuals who chose not to be vaccinated against COVID-19. He asks, isn't that what
doctors should be doing? The Hippocratic Oath requires that doctors do no harm.
As more medical studies and deeper dives into the COVID vaccines are being completed,
a clearer picture is emerging that the COVID vaccines were experimental
and too often increased unnecessary medical risks in return for dubious protections.
The government's failure to conduct thorough testing on COVID vaccines and the near complete
censorship of opposing views limited the ability of anyone to fully exercise informed consent. This
is a violation of basic ethics by denying individuals the opportunity to make decisions
about their health based on complete information regarding potential risks and benefits. Dr Kirk
Moore's actions were upholding the ethical doctrines of informed consent and do no harm to
anyone who felt that they did not have all the information or wanted more information or simply
did not trust the information being provided by the quote experts end quote. And they chose to
not be forced to receive one. Seeking to imprison a single father for doing nothing more than what
his patients asked for and wanted is simply wrong. Kirk Moore did not charge his patients for this
exemption. The government in its case fakes concern over the destruction of actual vaccines.
It's almost laughable considering that Switzerland has destroyed over 10 million doses of the
vaccines and even Canada has destroyed over 14 million doses. Countries all around the world are
destroying the vaccine as more and more people now have access to previously censored information as
well as new studies empowering full informed consent. And once informed it's clear that people
simply do not want to take a risky vaccine. Furthermore, Dr Kirk Moore's approach exemplifies
the principles of beneficence and non-maleficence. Fundamental pillars of medical ethics. Beneficence
emphasizes the healthcare providers obligation to act in the best interest of the patient.
Kirk Moore's provision of vaccine cards without financial burden underscores Kirk's desire to
facilitate patient autonomy and enable them to engage in society while doing no harm.
The government prosecution for the government on April 24th this year has now filed a motion
in limine to preclude a necessity defence. Can you believe that? Kirk will tell us about that.
And the argument is that it wasn't necessary and the government is trying to say no there's nothing
to say here just let's throw the key away. This is a man who's standing up for the right thing to do.
We are delighted to have him with us and we are delighted Stephen that you organised Kirk to be
with us. So Kirk we are in your hands as they say in the classics.
Hi Charles, Stephen and everybody here thanks for being here. My story I guess I'll just kind of go
through the story we had a brief discussion I think Charles you and I before we started.
I essentially COVID started I was pretty much like every other doctor I think that was out there not
every other one but a lot of us scared worried didn't know what was going on.
I didn't have the time to research it and just kind of trusted a lot of everything that we were
being told. I remember the dates exactly on March 17th which is St. Patty's day for us.
I went home from work after having done surgery it was a Tuesday. I heard some more reports about
things as you mentioned in that bio in that introduction I'm a single dad raising two kids
in 2024 my kids were 12 and 16. I was just didn't want to expose my kids to anything didn't know
what was going on hadn't had the time to research it. I'm not a primary care doc I'm a plastic
surgeon so I do cosmetics so it's now family practice and internal medicine type of
discussions were far outside of my boundaries but on March 17th I just called up my office manager
and said hey let's close the office have one person in the office just to answer phones we'll
be there for our patients but until this we figure out more about what's going on.
I don't want to expose anybody to any undue germs. Within the state of Utah was also
entertaining there had already been some lockdowns in some of the states and some
areas across the country I think Italy was quote unquote burning and so there was just all this
news and all this horror and stories and people keeling over in China and so I just didn't know
what to believe but within a week I think the state of Utah the following Monday which would
have made it the 23rd they then called for a shutdown of non-essential businesses again I
don't know what the definition of a non-essential business is but they defined them and mine was
one of them but by that time I had had enough time to sit here at my same laptop that I'm talking
everybody else on and research and learn and listen to people that were not fully censored
yet and kind of came to the conclusion essentially that this was just nothing but just a fake
fear-mongering tactic and you know scare technique to get everybody to do what the
government wanted to do and so from that point forward I think within that same week
I started writing prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine for all my patients and friends and family people
that wanted them there's a I mean for the people from the United States we have a you know
on the corner of happy and healthy we always have a Walgreens pharmacy and there's a local
Walgreens that I used to write all my prescriptions for not a lot of them but a lot of them for my
patients and I just completely wiped them out of all the hydroxychloroquine that they had and they
could get for like I said friends family patients anybody and just that kind of started me down this
you know this routine I started learning more reading more understanding more and realizing
that it was just nothing but just a fake scare tactic to get all of us under their thumb
I don't remember the exact date or time but at some point people started talking about having a
vaccine and you know I just I had a vaccine injury I got shingles from a hepatitis b vaccine
back in 1989 and so I've had this hesitation to vaccines my kids are not vaccinated and back in the
mid-2000s when our kids were born it wasn't that big a deal you could just go in there tell your
pediatrician hey I really just want to hold off on vaccines right now and they were all accommodating
nothing you know didn't make any waves and boy how's that changed and so when all of this was
going on I just kept treating people people calling me out of the woodwork and I was treating people
you know the McCullough protocol came out the FLCCC published their protocols which were you know
modified pretty regularly and I just I started taking care of patients and you know non-surgical
patients I just started taking care of everybody that came to me they were calling me out of the
woodwork their friends and family were calling me nobody else would treat them they were scared
to go to the hospital they didn't want treatment you know remdesivir you know run death is near
is on the you know is is out there and people hearing all these horror stories and so I you
know it was just it was a big eye-opening experience for me and I became a primary care
doc I was treating people I was doing house calls and showing up with IV fluids and steroids and
hydroxychloroquine ivermectin and I was doing all of this every single bit of it was for free
I had one patient pay me just for the supplies because she refused to make me pay for you know
the steroids and ivermectin prescriptions and all of that I was doing high dose vitamin c again I
was just reading about all that stuff you know I had palmaric studies on vitamin c I didn't know
anything about vitamin c I didn't know anything about ICU treatments and the book that he'd written
about it and you know it's all new to me and acid hill cysteine vitamin d you know all of the
over-the-counter medications gladiators elenco was a huge influence on me and so I just kind of kept
following all this then the rumors come out I don't know end of that year you know I don't know
Octoberish that the vaccine was on the you know this operation work speed had been successful and
they had a new vaccine available for a virus that has been endemic in our
in humanity since beginning of time and you know all of a sudden they've solved it and they've
been able to do this with some sort of new you know new technology anyway and it's just it was
crazy to me to think that that's what was going on and then you know one thing after another
December it gets approved it starts getting you know starts being treated and then you start
hearing little bits and pieces of people that get injured there's a lady right near me who runs an
organization called react 19.org Brianne Dressen and she's severely vaccine injured from an
AstraZeneca trial I got to know her there's some other docs that I know here locally that have
actually been vaccine injured themselves and just me I as as plastic surgeons we tend to kind of be
in our own little world and we don't have a lot of insular activity with other physicians so we
don't have a lot of contact with them but just me knowing a few of them that had been vaccine injured
meant a lot to me because that just told me that it was just the tip of the iceberg
so we start hearing about vaccines and how they're going to solve the whole problem
again nobody's allowed to say anything everybody's getting censored people getting taken offline you
go back to the July the boy I can't remember her name but on the Supreme Court steps all those
docs that just got shut down and it just it just it was just continuing and Charles and everybody
here as we know this just because it was an eye-opening experience for at least for me
I realized that I knew that there was corruption in our government I knew that there we had been
lied to I knew that there were things going on everybody had heard the rumors about JFK's
assassination and you know were we involved were we not you know everybody hears and you start
seeing about you know hearing things about the you know just just things that happened in our history
and you realize that you know it how much of this was really true and how much wasn't did we really
land on the moon still don't know the answer to that you know what's the real story behind Watergate
we don't know the story behind that we actually we do know the story behind that and it's being
hidden from us and it's not in the history books you know the the victor to the victor go to spoils
and the victors are able to write the history books so what really happened in World War I what
really happened in World War II what was the 1918 Spanish flu all about it just opens up all of
these you know for lack of a better term rabbit holes and you end up going down them and you end
up kind of reading about them and reading things that were actually in the public realm at the time
people writing books and articles and and you realize that man there's just a lot of stuff out
there that's just not that doesn't jive with what with what you're reading now and what you're
hearing I mean I remember medical school being taught that by the way I was in the army and I
thought those viruses don't you know you don't get an you know you don't get antibodies built to
viruses they only get antibodies to bacteria well that was 1990s early 90s late 80s now look at
what it is now it's like in order to find out whether you've been exposed we have to check your
antibodies what you know I mean it's just kind of like it's whatever kind of fits the narrative
and it's really caused me to kind of open up and be a lot more open-minded
about what I'm being told.
It's caused me to kind of really look at things.
We mentioned this, I think at the beginning here
where anything that I get told,
out of rote, I just don't believe it
until I can kind of confirm it myself.
So come March, April, May of 2021,
vaccines are now being, they're mandated,
while they're being, they're mandatory businesses,
the government is kind of turfing the job to the businesses
to make them mandate it so that it doesn't look like
our government is kind of doing it,
although they did do it on a couple of occasions.
And with my situation with what I knew about vaccines,
similar to what we talked about again earlier,
none of them are safe,
none of them have ever been tested against a placebo,
none of them have ever had any kind of safety or efficacy
evaluation, true safety or efficacy evaluation.
And this one was here to me was no different.
So I signed up, we're in a pandemic, right?
And everybody needs a vaccine
and we don't have enough places to sign up
for people to get vaccines.
And so I signed up to be a vaccine clinic
and got approved by the state of Utah to provide them
and started seeing all my patients and their friends
and family coming in.
And we essentially gave full informed consent
as much as we could.
We don't know what's in it.
We didn't know what was in it.
It still comes with a blank 24 by 36 piece of paper
that's all folded up that says intentionally left blank
on the front and back.
We don't know what the product is.
We don't know what's in it.
We have no long-term studies.
Obviously this mRNA jab was developed in nine months.
And prior to that, I mean, there's a lot to this story.
I mean, all of this stuff back in early 21 or late 20,
early 21, there were studies that were out there
that you could find, you can't find them anymore online
that talked about the use of mRNA in animals
and none of the animals ever survived.
They either died from re-exposure
or they died from the treatment itself,
ferrets, rats, chimpanzees, everybody.
So, I was certainly not sold on the mRNA technology
and I certainly wasn't sold on the spike protein
or whatever it is that they claim that is in there.
And again, this is, we don't know what's in it.
So it's kind of hard to evaluate the reality of this.
Over the course of 2020 and into early 2021,
I probably treated 800 patients for COVID.
And then subsequent to that,
I ordered almost 2000 vaccines from the state of Utah
and provided full informed consent
to all my patients regarding that.
None of my patients died.
None of them were charged the dime.
We took no money.
I asked people to donate to a nonprofit organization
of whatever they saw fit.
We recommended $50, but it certainly was no demand
and we certainly didn't benefit from it.
It wasn't anything that I was related to
other than I went to a few other meetings.
And now we're, I mean, I was indicted
along with three other co-conspirators,
two of my employees and one of them was a neighbor
back in January of 23, so 18 months ago.
And we have had a number of extensions
and continuances in the trial.
And now we're scheduled for trial on January 15th of 2025.
We had a motion that you mentioned in that Bible
that bio again, which is a motion in limine
which means outside of the purview of the jury,
which is pretty obvious
because it's done prior to even jury selection.
But the government is trying to preclude a necessity defense.
A necessity defense is typically a defense
where I believed that there was an actual
specific threat that required immediate action,
that I had no significant realistic alternative.
The harm that was potentially caused by my criminal act
could not have been greater than the harm
that was already being caused.
And then I could not have been somebody
that actually contributed to either the pandemic
or the vaccine or in any way kind of benefiting from it
or contributed to kind of making that be a problem
so that then I can solve the problem.
That's typically what our government does, right?
The Hegelian dialectic where it's problem solution
or problem reaction solution.
So that's where we are.
We filed a reply and we have an opposition,
another response from them,
but no hearing or sorry, no ruling from the judge as of yet.
And I believe there's gonna be a motion here
to request an oral argument session,
but I don't know if that's been finalized yet or not.
So that's kind of my story in a nutshell.
I am very open to answering any questions
and I'm not trying to be obtuse in anything
in terms of my answers,
but from a legal perspective, all of this is still alleged.
So I think people can read between the lines
in terms of what happened in my office.
Thank you, Kirk, for sharing that story.
There are plenty of hands up before Steven goes first,
as you know, before we get to Steven
to give you a moment to collect his thoughts.
What are your thoughts on why
a more significant number of doctors,
and I'm thinking of the 80-20 rule, the Pareto principle.
20% of people do extraordinary things.
Why do you think that only a tiny proportion
of American and Australian doctors have spoken up?
The answers that we've heard in these meetings, of course,
most doctors say, I gave the jab
because I have a mortgage to pay.
But with all the evidence that has come out,
I would have thought 20% of US doctors
would have spoken up and acted like you, Kirk.
What's your thinking on that?
You know, I ask myself that question,
that question gets asked of me almost every single day.
I have to believe that the older docs
that are in their late 50s, 60s, 70s
probably are a little bit more open to being skeptical.
I think the education that we had
was probably a little bit more foundational
and we were taught to have more discernment
and have a little bit more critical thinking.
I think the younger the docs are,
the more they're taught based upon algorithm methods
and they're more or less just kind of technicians
and they're taught to just look at a problem
and treat it by based upon what's in front of them,
based upon what's on a sheet that's there already.
Again, my opinion, I have no data
to support that necessarily, but I just,
I struggle with that, Charles, I really do.
I don't think, I'm not the smartest guy out there.
I went to medical school, I got my MD degree,
I did all the things that a lot of other friends
and family of mine have done,
but for people to just brush this off,
I have a mortgage to pay, I got bills to pay,
I got my kids' education to kind of contribute to
and on the other end of the spectrum,
I don't care whether they're dying
or I'm hurting them or I'm maiming them,
I don't get it.
I mentioned this earlier where in the mid 2000s
when my daughter was born and we went in and said,
hey, we wanna hold off on vaccines,
the pediatricians, most of them, all of them,
we never got kicked out of an office saying,
hey, get out of here, I'm not gonna treat you.
I think that there's just dogma and it's just taken foot.
Or it's just kind of now determined
what their practices are.
Insurance companies give people bonuses,
pediatricians bonuses based upon the percentage
of their kids that are vaccinated.
So there's a financial incentive
and it might be something that these docs
really just don't think that much about
and they've been taught and told.
And we had maybe 15 minutes of vaccine education
back in the late 80s, early 90s.
And they're safe and effective, here you are.
But we had seven of them.
Kirk, I've checked that in Australia
with two recent graduates from medical school
and it's still the same in Australia
that it's two hours max on vaccines
in six years of education.
Well, Kerry Mullis said it in one of his interviews
where he was trying to apply for an HIV grant
in the first statement in the grant application said,
HIV is caused by the HIV virus.
And so he stopped right then and there and he said,
well, where's the article and where's the reference
that says this?
And that's what started him down this road too.
And I think that people just need to have that.
They need to have that,
rather than just taking things for granted
of what you're told or what you read or what you've seen
or what you've heard,
you have to kind of just look at things
a little bit more critically and realize that,
hey, maybe what we were told or what we had
or what we've been taught or everything,
really that doesn't apply, let me find out.
And that's where I went.
I mean, I've looked at the 1919 Spanish flu.
Was it really a Spanish flu?
No, it started in, I'll probably get the name wrong,
Port Detrick in the United States, I think,
is where the main,
and we were also giving a meningitis vaccine at the time
and we were giving high dose aspirin.
When we were talking about,
we give people now what, 325 milligrams of aspirin,
they were giving 1600 to 2000 milligrams of aspirin.
And then these people were dying with bloody lungs
and autopsy showing that.
So it's, but none of that was published.
So anyway, we're off the subject,
but I'm sorry, Charles, I have no idea why.
I've lost friends.
I don't talk to any of my classmates from medical school
or graduated from medical school with 120 other kids,
our kids, guys, and I don't keep in touch
with any of them now.
So it's-
Well, that's a pretty good answer.
So Stephen, can you put your camera on please
and you've got the next 15 minutes.
Yeah, sorry about that.
So, yeah.
So the medical school bit, Kirk, I share the same problem.
I don't speak to any of the medical,
not that I won't talk to them,
but I called them out the last three Christmases,
successively calling them more and more out.
And even the people I was very friendly with
at medical school, they didn't even reply privately.
Nevermind the group.
I called them all out in a group.
I had all the email addresses
because they were trying to arrange a reunion,
unluckily for them.
And so I really, I oscillate between
listening to the people who said,
hey, we have to be kind.
I do agree we, as human beings, need to be kind.
But the kindness kind of wears a bit thin
with these doctors.
You have shown everyone in the world
what was the right thing to do.
You were a plastic surgeon.
You were not a GP.
And yet you realized that you had to become a GP
and you acted in the best interest of your patients,
retaining at all time your autonomy.
And these doctors, goodness knows what they thought
their responsibility was in a pandemic,
but they should never have been doctors, any of them.
Clearly, in varying degrees.
So I was looking for someone like you,
like a Dr. Schindler from Schindler's List,
to put it in terms of a 20-year-old would understand
or a 30-year-old.
And here you are and good.
It's just, it nearly made me cry when you said
that you didn't accept any payments.
So not only were you acting as a GP
when you were previously a plastic surgeon,
but you were not taking any payments
and you were doing exactly what every doctor in the world
should have been doing
in the face of this monstrosity of a fraud.
Charles, can I finish my questions?
Can you give me 10 minutes of my time back
after I've had something to eat,
because I've got something here to eat.
Didn't quite manage to get my meal before the program.
Not that that's important,
but I just want to think carefully
about what I want to say on this call, Kirk,
because I think you are very important.
You've shown all doctors what they damn well
should have done,
and all these people whinging about their pay as GPs
in the UK, they're completely missing the point,
and it's absolutely outrageous,
and I've got no mercy for them.
Well, I do feel that I should be kind,
but it's really testing me.
I was shocked about the last four years, really shocked.
I can hear it in the way you're telling your story.
You too were shocked in many, many different ways,
and I can hear my thoughts in your words, and thank you.
I appreciate that, thank you.
Thank you for doing the right thing.
So, Charles, are you there?
Yep, I'm here.
Can I have 10 minutes later?
Yes, absolutely.
I've only used the proper five minutes.
Yep, done.
All right, Daria, then Jerry.
So, doctor, doctor.
First doctor, second doctor.
Go, Daria.
Retire, doctor.
Hello, hi.
Dr. Moore, God bless you.
I heard about your story when it first started.
I'm a retired neurosurgeon,
and I had to retire 10 years ago
because I had neuropraxia in my hands
and couldn't operate anymore.
So I pretty much dodged the whole situation
that you found yourself in.
And what I wanted to ask you are two things.
Number one, do you think that you will return
to practicing plastic surgery
maybe in an office setting or something like that?
In other words, I know just I'm projecting, I suppose,
but I still miss doing surgery.
I really do.
The rest of it, they can have it.
But that was my one question.
The second question I had was,
are you an active member of the American Association
of Physicians and Surgeons, AAPS,
because they have legal assistance with Andrew Schlafly.
So there's been a lot of cases helping doctors
with licensure issues for years
and Schampere review and that type of thing.
So that was the other question I had for you.
But thank you and God bless you for your courage
because if a dozen doctors would have done what you did,
this thing all could have come down four years ago
and millions of lives would have been saved.
So thank you for taking those bullets.
God bless you.
Well, Daria, so the first,
I'm still practicing.
It's been a domino effect.
I lost my hospital privileges
because I told the hospital to shove it
when they made me wear a mask.
Losing my hospital privileges
was the first domino that fell.
By losing my hospital privileges,
I was no longer able to renew my board certification.
And the third thing is I lost my accreditation
to my surgical facility
because I didn't have hospital privileges
and couldn't get board certified.
So I still operate.
I just operate in my own,
I have it on my own surgical suite.
It's just not accredited anymore per se
from QuadASF or AAAHC,
whatever the agency is that you wanna have.
And so it's been a trial.
I miss the surgery side of it.
Like I said, I'm still operating.
It's been a huge,
I've lost at least 50%, if not more of my income
from not necessarily the bad press, I don't think,
as much as it's been just a loss of my ability
to kind of focus and to kind of continue to do the things
that I used to do with the energy and vigor
that I had when I was doing it.
Again, I'm not old, I'm 59.
I really enjoy doing it.
I have a unique approach to breast augmentations
and tummy tucks and everything else
in terms of what I do.
And I think I provide a very nice service
and very safe environment to do that.
But it's been a struggle.
And I'm sorry, Daria,
what was your first question that you asked?
Hold on, yeah.
So the other part of the question was,
are you a member of the...
Associated with American Physicians and Surgeons,
the AAPS?
I did join them back in 2020.
I'm not sure that my membership,
again, I've had to kind of pare down
on my membership dues on most anything.
I don't have cable TV anymore.
I've just had to significantly cut all my expenses.
I'm not trying to kind of like play a tiny little violin
for everybody in here,
and so if I didn't set it up for auto renew,
then I may not be a current member,
but I appreciate you reminding me of that.
I should look into that and just see where I'm at,
because I have heard of,
it's Andrew Shafley, right?
Yeah, Andrew Shafley.
There's other attorneys that work with him,
but you know what I'll do?
I'll go ahead and contact Jeremy Snavely.
He's the administrative manager there at the AAPS
and ask him to contact you to see if,
A, you're still a member,
and B, if maybe they can let you know
what assistance they could offer you from a legal standpoint.
Okay, well, I appreciate that.
Thank you, Daria.
And Daria, I'd also talk to Jeremy about the fact that
they might have provision when doctors are being attacked
like Kirk, that their membership may well,
could easily be, you know, waived.
So you might raise that with Jeremy.
Yeah, Daria, it'd be great if you could introduce
them to Kirk, I think.
Well, yeah, since Kirk was a member already,
and maybe it just is laxed at the moment,
I will contact Jeremy,
in fact, I'm gonna text him right now,
and ask him to reach out to you
to see if he can get reactivated or,
if you're still activated and what the situation is.
Okay, thank you so much.
God bless you again.
Thank you.
Thank you, Daria, well said.
Now, Jerry goes next, but I think Peter Underwood,
what happens with Zoom these days, so everybody knows,
if you put your hand up and then you make a noise
like you fart loudly, he puts your hand down.
So, Peter, you must have farted.
So I think Peter, I think you're after Jerry
and before Albert, but anyway, Jerry, you next.
Thanks, Charles.
Thank you, yeah, I lost the internet.
We have, in South Africa here,
we have an intermittent service,
something to do with undersea cables somewhere or another.
Oh yeah, absolutely, nothing to do with the corruption
in the South African political system.
Jerry, our favorite Irishman, Kirk.
Hi, Kirk, how are you?
Nice to hear, I've been following your case
for quite some time.
Unlike you, I'm relatively unknown,
but I happen to be the only Irish doctor
that was suspended from the medical register
for refusal to give the vaccine three and a half years ago.
I had my license to practice after 40 years as a GP,
suspended illegally, temporarily, mind you,
for three and a half years, with the loss of all income.
I just find it fascinating that you as a plastic surgeon
should sign up to give as a vaccine clinic.
And I know that you say you treated 800 patients
I as a GP have treated thousands of patients for COVID,
never diagnosed by me because I never did a PCR
and never sent anybody for a PCR test.
I totally rejected the PCR as a legitimate means
to diagnose COVID with the result
that I continued to do exactly as I had done
for the 40 previous years, the 40 previous winters.
I had actually examined every patient.
I had sent nobody home to get pneumonitis or pneumonia.
I had given them all as you mentioned,
steroids, antibiotics, bronchodilators,
expectorants, or perhaps sent for X-ray.
And I got a hundred percent success rate
without the use of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.
It's funny, your timeline very much resonates with me
because being Irish, I was very aware on the 17th of March
that they had canceled our St. Patrick's Day parade.
And I was very, very aware of what was going on.
So as I say, it's funny that you should bring in
the sort of Irish element of it.
So my question fundamentally is,
why did you sign up to get, to give the vaccine
if you felt that there was need for it?
Did you or anybody in your clinic
actually administer the vaccine?
And you say you didn't take any money,
but I know in Ireland, we were paid by the government
to actually give the vaccine at 60 euros a go,
as opposed to 18 euros ago for the flu vaccine.
So I'm just wondering, did your clinic administer,
A, administer the vaccine and B, did they get money
quite apart from the cash that they may have offered,
but from the government?
So Jerry, thank you for that.
Just a little backstory with that.
The only reason I treated with hydroxychloroquine
and ivermectin is because I didn't have 40 years
of experience as a primary care doc,
taking care of flu symptoms.
And so it was, what I was learning about at the time,
COVID and everything else was, hey, early treatment,
early treatment with steroids,
early treatment with antibiotics,
early treatment with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.
I'd had some experience with hydroxychloroquine
as an anti-malarial drug three times going to Africa,
and I knew how safe it was.
So I was not opposed to treating it.
And all the reports that I'd gotten and all the studies,
well, the studies that I was reading,
even some of the COVID-19 treatment studies
that we're publishing, either randomized or case studies
regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,
I just, I went down that route.
But I did not, I don't bill insurance.
So I didn't have the capacity to bill insurance.
So yes, the primary care offices and pediatrics offices
had the ability to bill insurance when a patient came in
and was administered a vaccine.
So you got an administration fee for the vaccine.
I don't have the capacity to do that.
I never did.
I don't bill insurance.
I don't have the capacity to do that.
I never did.
I don't bill insurance.
And so therefore I never got paid for any administration fee.
The COVID vaccine that we received from the state of Utah
was also free and provided to us.
All we had to do was either send an email or call in
and it would get delivered to us.
No, my question is, did you or your staff
administer the vaccine to any patients at any time?
I have to be careful to answer that question, Jerry,
directly.
I'll take that as an affirmative.
We gave our patients what they asked for
after full informed consent.
And that's pretty cool.
You see, this is an interesting concept.
The idea that, and Charles spoke about it,
doing what patients ask.
I as a GP have spent my life refusing
to do what patients ask.
There's no imperative in medicine
to do what patients ask or request.
You actually as a doctor are trained
to do what is right, irrespective.
And I spent my life refusing people
who were looking for sedatives,
who were looking for hypnotics, sleeping tablets,
sedatives, Valium, Diazepam.
I spent my life refusing people
to give antibiotics for viral infections.
My life over 40 years was half, well not half,
but a high proportion was actually spent
refusing to do what patients asked or required.
There's absolutely no imperative
that we as frontline doctors do.
And so too with you, I've absolutely no doubt
as a plastic surgeon that are a cosmetic surgeon
that you don't do what the patient asks.
If somebody came in and said,
I want something done and you felt as a professional
that would not suit you or that would not be
in your best interest and you'd be coming back
in six months time thinking I'm not happy with that.
I have no doubt that you would be refusing to do it.
That is what a good doctor does.
And a lot of the strength of a doctor requires
not doing what patients ask or request.
Well, again, doing what they asked
when you have people coming in that are purposely there
potentially for not, you know,
because of the reasons that they knew
what it was that was going on,
where there was an agreement on our side
that we either gave them a shot that they wanted
or a shot that they didn't want.
So it was certainly a discussion, you know,
as a physician, you're correct.
You're a professional, you have some knowledge
that your patients don't have
and you impart that knowledge to them.
And whether they want to take it or not is up to them.
And so it was an agreed upon treatment plan
that we came to with after, you know,
mutual discussion about what the risks and benefits were
and what was best for them.
Well, in which case you should never have given
any of the vaccines because there was absolutely no benefits
at that point in time.
So who said I did give it?
Well, you didn't say you didn't.
Anyway, that's new to hear there.
That's new to hear there.
My job as a doctor here is to actually cross examine you
in a way such that.
But Jerry, so Kirk did say, he is our guest.
So he did say that he had to be careful
how he answered that.
Now I took that to mean that he had to be careful
because of his criminal indictment.
Sorry, Stephen, I won't interrupt your questioning
or your interaction with the patient.
And I appreciate if you don't interrupt my,
I as a GP, as a doctor 47 years and as a GP of 40 years
have a perspective that I've got a right to
if you don't mind, Stephen.
And I totally appreciate Kirk's view
that he doesn't want to say certain things.
And I accepted that.
But the point really is, I just find it fascinating
that somebody would go from being a cosmetic surgeon
in the same way as if a radiologist decided to become a GP
or a GP decided overnight to become a radiologist.
It doesn't just seem practical.
And I suppose I'm asking, why did Kirk do it?
If Kirk did it fundamentally not,
or rather to pretend to give vaccines
and give out vaccine certs, I absolutely applaud him.
But if there was a motivation to get involved
in the vaccine business at that point in time,
he does say he didn't really understand what was going on.
I think, look, if Kirk chooses to come before this group
that happens to be called doctors for COVID ethics,
and as Charles says, nobody, you know,
we're not in the offense business.
If you want, if he wants to be offended by my questioning,
that's fine.
But overall, I'm just fascinated that he made that choice
to apply and be accepted on as a vaccine clinic.
And I, on the other hand, had no choice.
I was struck off because as a GP,
I was obliged to give it.
I was mandated to give it.
And when I refused to give it, I lost my income.
Now, admittedly, I was at a different stage
because I'm pretty much 20 years older than Kirk.
But it's just something that I feel
that is totally in order to question in this format.
Good. Thank you, Kirk.
Thanks, Jerry.
Hey, thanks, Jerry.
Okay, Al, we'll go to Peter Underwood first
because he had his hand up, then Albert.
Thank you, Charles.
Blessings to you, Kirk.
You're probably 1% or so of the moral ethics
of the medical profession that have stood out
and I stand by you.
Now, my question is probably addressed to you,
but also the others in the group here.
And it's to do with my diagnosis as being bipolar.
A quick history, I had a yachting accident.
I'm a yachtsman, lifelong yachtsman.
And I had a yachting accident in late 1990.
And I was hospitalized about a month later,
which in retrospect now I know as PTSD,
but actually the psychiatrist at the hospital at the time
diagnosed me as bipolar.
And I was put on lithium for five years until 95.
And I kicked that because it wasn't making me feel
very well at all.
And I did nothing then until I came to South Africa in 1999.
And I was okay and I was fine here in South Africa.
I had to go back to UK in 2009.
And I had an episode, almost a repeat of the 1990 trauma.
And I saw a psychiatrist, Dr. Cox in...
What's the question, Peter?
The question is, the question is,
what does Kirk know or do anybody else know
about the construct that I now believe
is a construct called bipolar?
Because I read Peter Reagan's book,
COVID Predators, We Are the Prey, page 286, 287.
He identified respirodone as being a lethal drug
that was invented by a well-known doctor.
It's described in his book.
And I was put on respirodone in 2009
until I came back to South Africa here.
And well, until I read Peter's, Reagan's book.
And I wanted to ask anyone, is this condition bipolar?
Actually a real thing?
Peter Reagan says it isn't.
Well, we've got a, we look like,
it looks like we've got a real human being here in Kirkmore,
but apparently he's a plastic human being.
He knows a plastic surgeon.
So Peter, there you are.
Like, before you answer that,
I will quote John Rappaport,
of whom I'm a big fan, had been for 20 years.
And he says, Peter,
there is no scientific test for any mental disorder.
So this whole, so I'm certainly in support of that,
but Kirk, if you don't feel qualified to answer,
you can have it.
Peter, I appreciate you asking me,
but just like I stepped outside of my zone
from a plastic surgeon to a primary care doc for a few years,
you know, speaking about things about psychiatry
is well outside of my purview, I'm sorry.
But I tend to agree with Charles or Peter,
or Rappaport about the diagnosis
and the ability to actually make diagnoses
of mental illness and the accuracy or efficiency
of our ability to do that.
Yep, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Kirk.
Thank you, Peter.
Albert, Kirk, I'm sure you've heard about Albert,
haven't you?
I have, I think Albert and I have actually communicated
either on the phone or via email
about various things in the past.
Albert, good to see you.
It's good to see you too, Dr. Moore.
Man, you know, I wrote in the comments,
the armor of God, and you literally like picked up
the armor and helped protect and save people
as far as I'm concerned.
With that said, you said that you got 2,000 Vaxes.
2,000 Vaxes, were they all Moderna's or Pfizer's or combos?
No, it was combination of Johnson and Johnson,
Pfizer, Moderna, and then some pediatric dosing
and everything else.
I put a couple of pictures up in the comments.
I hope you download them, but I've since made
a couple of dashboards based on the HiWire
and ICANN's FOIA data, because in there,
they gave the actual shipments
and how many they shipped per lot.
And what was really good is that Pfizer
actually gave provider names with zip codes in cities.
Moderna didn't give the provider names,
but gave zip codes.
So I took it upon myself, as you were talking,
I ran in there and I used an example of a,
and please do not tell me if this is you or not,
but from Midvale, Utah, a facility called
Plastic Surgery Institute that received
these certain Pfizer lots, FL0007 and FL8095.
And the thing about it is, just as an example,
did you in hindsight, have you gone back
to see how toxic, whatever lots they gave you,
how toxic they are today?
Because one thing for sure is that VAERS
throttles purposefully delays the publication of reports.
So even now today, supposed new reports
coming into the systems are for vax dates
in 2021 and 2022.
So it's just piling on, the toxicity seems to just
keep piling on to these lot numbers.
And I can't imagine, I mean, I have to imagine
it would like strengthen your case if the lots
that were given to you, you could actually say,
look, man, they're toxic, they're more toxic,
whatever, however they stack up against the other data
for the other lots.
But I offer that information to you,
whether your attorney or your team has looked,
has retroactively, retroactively looked at those lots
that they gave you to see how toxic they are.
I'd really love to help you in any way I can.
But thank you and God bless you, Dr. Moore.
You are straight gangsta.
You're the kind of guy I wanna fight with.
Thank you.
Well, Albert, I will tell you that when the website,
how bad is my batch came out, I was extremely interested
to see doing a compare and contrast,
but it was really pretty difficult for us to do that.
Like you said, because the data was so sparse
and difficult to find, but I will tell you,
and I don't know what the numbers were
off the top of my head right now,
but I will tell you that some of the ones that I saw
on how bad is my batch in terms of the double digits,
triple digits in morbidity and mortality numbers
compared to some of the other batches
were definitely some of the batches
that we had received in our office.
Awesome, yeah.
God bless Craig Party Cooper.
How bad is my batch?
He's the Godfather, but that's a black cup of coffee.
Mine's a caramel macchiato.
Mine's an interactive dashboard.
His is a B lookup, there is no comparison.
I would love to sit down with you and go over that
and pull up my list of batch numbers
and everything else that we had
and go through that with you and come up with
kind of a very nice spreadsheet or information
in terms of being able to present all that
in terms of a nice data file.
Thank you.
Yeah, right on.
I'm here for you anytime.
Thanks, thank you, Albert.
Mark, you're next.
I saw you dropped off.
So as I say, if you make a noise,
then the hand drops, you're next, Mark.
Thanks, thanks, thanks for that, Charles.
Kirk, fantastic, great to hear your story.
Yeah, I'd love to assist in any way possible.
You do know that it was a biological chemical weapons
program, yeah?
You do know that.
You know the recent affidavit that's been put in
by Professor Francis Boyle.
Yes.
So you know about that.
If there's anything you need to assist,
with all the ingredients in these contaminated shots,
they're bio weapons.
Let's stop calling them vaccines.
It was a bio weapons program.
It was run by the DOD.
It's a globalist agenda that depopulates
the interconnected nanometamaterial antennas.
I mean, I'm testing lots of people at the minute.
They're running around with MAC codes, media access codes.
It's unbelievable what's going on.
However, all of that evidence will assist your legal team
in a cold case.
I've got, we've had several over here.
Just to give you a bit of an upside on one of the cases
we had just last month was a guy who threatened
some people installing LED street furniture
over the firearm.
It's a section 19 firearms act.
We had a defense to that because we know that the LEDs
are part of a weapons program called soft kill.
We can prove that.
And during that cold case,
the Crown Prosecution Service have dropped the case
because they don't want to continue
because they said it's not in the public interest.
So we've got all the evidence.
We've got the evidence of the ULAS,
the low emission zone weapons deployments,
the direction of weapons systems that interconnected
with the contamination that was currently in those shots,
not vaccines, by weapons, the contaminated parts.
We have them.
We've got the spectrum analysis of them.
We know exactly how they work.
These graphite, ferritic oxide, nano-material antennas
to track, trace and to terminate the victim.
So we've got all that evidence.
If we can assist in any way with your cold case,
just getting touch, Kirk, you know,
I'm absolutely happy to assist anybody fighting this fight.
Okay.
So if you need anything in relation to that,
we're here to help.
Well, I appreciate that, Mark.
Listen, one of the things that I've been saying all along
for the last 18 months is that there's a lot of things
that our government just doesn't want to expose.
And there's been a lot of civil cases
that have been brought to try to expose both our government
as well as Pfizer and Moderna and all of these agencies
that are involved in it.
And they've been able to, on the civil side,
they've been able to kind of avoid
any kind of responsibility or any kind of accountability.
But if I can get the right approach
from a criminal perspective that has any evidence in any,
and it stays within boundaries of being able
to defend myself against having administered a bio-weapon
like you say, and we can present that evidence
and get that, and essentially ask the government
to present that evidence to us as part of our defense,
then they, from the legal perspective in the United States
due to a court case, a Brady issue
where they have to disclose information
that could potentially be exculpatory,
that would be tremendous for us
because enough to put pressure on them
to be able to kind of say,
hey, we don't really want to get this information exposed.
So I'm open to any and all of that.
So I appreciate that, Mark.
Well, we can definitely assist with that.
One of the things everybody, my email's being taken down.
Last week I've filed against TFL and the GLE in London
due to the deployment of a demonstrable
directional weapon system masquerading as a NPR camera.
So my current email's down.
So if I'm gonna put it in the chat.
So I've got an email, Charles, so people can send me.
One of the lads sent me the link to this tonight
because my email's down.
Unfortunately, we do have the evidence.
It is horrific, but it is what it is.
And the technicalities of what we're talking about
are irrefutable.
That's the main thing.
And the judges, the judges who are sitting on these panels
as well as the prosecution barristers,
they have been injected
with these track trace termination technologies.
Excellent.
Put your email in there, Kirk, I think Mark.
Mark's perspective on this would be useful for your case.
As and so, I've got other questions,
but let's go to Cordelia
because your hand went down, Cordelia.
Then we go to Jim, who is JWT.
Hi.
It's more of a comment than a question.
I've just applied for a new job in the NHS.
I don't know whether you're familiar with that,
but I'm sure you know the NHS.
And after filling in a million forms
and passing the medical knowledge test,
I was finally offered the post.
And then I had to register on six online portals
to fill in more forms, probably a hundred forms.
And the last step was to travel to Liverpool
to attend an occupational health meeting
to have my blood taken for antibodies,
for hepatitis B, MMR, whooping cough,
varicella, rubella, what have you.
And if those antibody levels were too low,
then they would force me to have all these vaccinations
before starting the post.
So the system changed completely now
because even three years ago,
you could just turn up at a new job
and bring your certificates along and that was it.
And now the condition of employment
is based on your antibody levels.
And I think the whooping cough vaccination that's new now,
MMR, it's to have your levels checked
and then have a booster, I think that's new.
So it's quite frightening how they realised,
oh, with the COVID vaccination that went wrong
because most doctors and nurses are not having it now.
So now they're coming from another angle
and making us have all these things
that we really don't need.
And the thought of me having all these boosters
in a week before starting a new job,
it's frightening because that could easily push some
over the edge and cause MS or whatever.
Absolutely.
Don't do it, Cordelia.
Pardon?
Don't do it, but don't do it.
No, I pulled out.
I pulled out, I said, no, thank you very much.
I'm not doing it.
Did you say why?
Did you tell them why?
Well, I did email them, yes.
I did email them and then,
but that was last Friday evening and today Sunday,
so I haven't had a reply.
But it's just frightening that they,
so you couldn't, I think the system is designed
so you can't turn up with a certificate
that you got somewhere from a doctor
who signed the card and forgot the needle.
So the system is designed now that it's watertight
that you cannot escape the needle.
But that is just frightening.
So-
Cordelia, you ought to contact Andrew Bridgen,
who's currently fighting for his seat,
but this need, so, but could be useful to him
in one of his interviews.
Yeah.
He wouldn't need to name you if he didn't want them,
but it's, I had no idea that they were doing this.
They were trying to do this in the military with me
and I was resisting,
pretending I didn't understand what they were doing.
But actually I didn't understand to the extent I do now.
Well, it's just bonkers to give you a week's notice,
to have all these boosters within a week.
I mean, that could give you chronic fatigue and-
Absolutely.
Or other autoimmune conditions.
Or even autism.
Yeah, well, quite, but it's shocking.
Yeah, the young doctors, the 20 year olds,
or 23 year olds, they could get autism or so.
But it's just shocking how, to what extent,
also to travel to Liverpool
when I don't even have any annual leave left.
I mean, it's just not practical, isn't it?
So why do they want you to go to Liverpool, Cordelia?
I think it's because they can all do it
in a centralized lab.
So you're not trying to bypass it with,
oh, I know such and such will do it for me.
And I think because they're doing it in a centralized lab,
they can make sure there's no escape for any of them.
Well, as John's-
As John's-
So we need this, so Cordelia,
what we need to do there is put a freedom of information
act request in, not now maybe,
just wait for maybe three months, say,
and ask them for the figures on what,
we don't have to know the names of the people
that they're talking about,
but we want the figures, how many people failed the tests,
the antibodies tests,
and how many people actually went ahead
and had the vaccinations that were required.
This is outrageous, yeah.
Yeah, it's shocking, isn't it?
Absolutely shocking.
As John Bodewell says, it's a compliance test, Cordelia.
Yes.
Will you just do what you're told?
If so, then you're in.
But also what's outrageous is that went through
the process and the last step,
and so it's a good warning for everybody.
Whenever you apply for any new job, right upfront,
you get it in writing that there will be no requirement
for any medical intervention.
And if they don't tell you that upfront,
don't apply for the job.
All right, thank you, Cordelia.
As Stephen says-
Go ahead, just do not comply, period.
But Cordelia, the NHS is absolutely corrupt beyond belief.
Yeah, I know, it's correct.
And the managers running it are in a cult,
they think like a cult, and that the doctors say,
oh, we have to do what the managers tell us.
No, that's wrong.
You don't want to be working for the NHS.
I did email them and told them
they are a soul-destroying morale killer.
They are.
Absolutely good on you, Cordelia.
So anyway, thanks for listening.
Thanks, Cordelia.
Cordelia, if you'd like to work on the NHS,
I'll try and help you with that
and get people to help you as well.
Thank you.
Ian McDermott would help you, I'm sure.
Okay, Jim and then Glyn.
Hey, thanks very much for the presentation, that was great.
The issue of using this to get more information,
you have the opportunity to get discovery, or do you?
And if so, what kind of, the key is,
what questions you can ask to get the discovery.
And if they don't answer, or if they withhold information,
your lawyer fees get paid
until they turn over the information.
That's through, that's a,
that is a Supreme Court case
called the Goodyear versus Hagar case.
And the issue is that we need to show that they are,
they who are withholding information
is maybe our intelligence agencies,
the Department of Defense, along with Pfizer, Moderna,
the FDA and the CDC,
including how they may have weaponized
something called Coxiella Burnetti,
which has all the same symptoms and signs,
except for the blood clots, of COVID-19
for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
And that information was just requested via FOIA
by Broken Truth and other people,
or not just requested, two years ago it was requested.
They took two years to turn over the information,
now it's very highly redacted.
Coxiella Burnetti is known as
the International Pathogen of Mystery.
The reason I'm bringing all this up
is because the key may be in the discovery requests,
showing that these people who are involved in this,
the Department of Defense, the FDA, the CDC,
and the intelligence networks of what I call Six Eyes,
or what they call themselves Six Eyes,
the intelligence networks may be involved
and are not turning over the evidence
that they are involved,
and they may have some confidentiality issues
that have been approved,
and that's what I don't understand.
So good luck with the,
so I applaud your efforts,
let us know how we can help,
and most importantly, get the right questions to ask
to these people who are suing you,
because they should know that this is a biotera weapon.
They should know that this is,
as Stephen and everybody knows,
say this may be genetically specific
to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
and they may know who is affected and who's not affected.
They may know why they were preventing
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and all that stuff
from being used like never before.
So thanks for your efforts.
Can you give us a list of questions that you've asked them,
and are you still allowed to ask questions?
Are you still allowed to submit questions?
Thanks.
So yes, I mean, that's part of our core case.
So it's been a whirlwind, obviously.
The discovery part of it is something
that I certainly wanna take advantage of.
And that is, I do have a long list of questions
that we have put together.
None of them have been submitted yet
as far as kind of asking for discovery
in terms of an actual motion for discovery.
Those are things that we are working on,
but you're absolutely right.
That's kind of one of the, I guess, strategies or tactics
that we're trying to get to is,
what exactly are those questions?
I'm in communication with Katherine Watt
and Sasha Latopova regarding a lot of this on their end.
I'm trying to compile and put it into a format
that will get us as much information as we need to
and really essentially just try to make it,
as long as it relates to my defense in some capacity
in terms of the danger of the product or everything else.
The government wants to keep this as a straight broadcase.
They gave me a product,
they gave me instructions on how to use it.
I didn't use it the way,
or they're alleging that I didn't use it
the way they want me to use it.
And so they don't wanna go outside of those boundaries.
And so it's a kind of a finesse in a sense
to try to get to the point where the actual efficacy
or what the actual product was,
where was it stored?
How was it produced?
Show me the temperature logs of the vaccine
as it was sent to me,
give me a list of ingredients, all of those things.
Show me the FDA certification of the facility
that the product was made in, all of those things.
Prove that it wasn't contaminated,
all of those various questions,
it's just a matter of what they're gonna allow us
to kind of bring forward.
Well, if you ask and they don't turn it over,
that's when your lawyers fees start getting paid.
And so I encourage you to include the Albert's information
about the contaminants, the DNA plasmid contaminants
correlating directly with the vaccine injuries.
And which of these vaccines have the DNA,
these alleged vaccines or these bio weapons
have the DNA plasmid contaminants?
And here's the secret, the plasmids,
the DNA plasmids don't have to be refrigerated.
Okay, so that's why it correlates with Albert's information.
The mRNA vaccine has to be refrigerated,
it has to be negative 70,
and then it has to be used within three hours of storage.
However, the DNA plasmids are still potent, still dangerous.
And I also wanna encourage you to ask
and subpoena information from the guy who created
the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in the vaccine.
And every vaccine, Moderna, Pfizer, as well as J&J,
those are the three that were included in the United States.
It was all created by or designed by a guy named Jason McClellan,
M-C, capital L-E-L-L-A-N,
out of the University of Texas, Austin,
on a supercomputer called Longhorn.
You need to ask him.
He developed the spike protein
that is allegedly in the vaccines
and he put in the prolinear strains.
That keep the...
But he did not take out the fear and cleavage site.
The fear and cleavage site, they know.
Why did they only use his design?
Is he an intelligence agent?
And once you start asking these questions
about the intelligence agencies and say,
you can't be sued until these intelligence agencies
come clean, that's very important.
And if they're not gonna come clean, you can't be sued.
Because they're lying.
The spies have to lie.
It's very important.
Anyway, we can talk later on if you need to.
Yeah, no, I'd love to.
Yeah, share your contact info, would you?
Thank you.
Or Kirk, I can help you with Jim.
So thanks, Jim, for that.
Glenn, were you next or was it Jerome then you?
Well, I was, but when Jerome raised his hand,
I wanted to hear his question before I posed mine.
So if you could have Jerome go first,
I'd like to be right after him.
Go ahead.
Thank you very much, Glenn.
First of all, what you've done,
Kirk, is remarkable and it's admirable.
Now the key is to win.
Now your lawyers can tell you to behave yourself
and let them handle everything.
And I advise you to ignore their advice.
What I've done on these issues is I've gone public.
I fought a long time.
They wanted to put me in prison.
And I did more interviews than I've ever done in my life
because I've talked to anybody who would talk to me,
including NBC, CBS, et cetera.
Now, you won't get on those shows with this,
but I don't know if you've done this or not.
And your lawyers are gonna not be happy
with you for doing it.
But what I would do is I would create a website immediately.
I would start raising money.
I'd start writing articles and getting them in publication.
I would start on X and just be outrageous.
You say, I would say,
I think the intelligence agencies are behind this.
I think this was a psychological operation.
I'm going to pursue this court case
in the court of the public opinion
in order to raise attention to the fact
that doctors are being coerced to inject you with poisons.
Now they are not gonna wanna give you a platform for that.
Right.
Okay.
And if you make this into that type of a platform,
now you will probably increase the risk
that your penalties will be more severe.
That's what they will threaten you with.
But at the same time, they're gonna put you in prison anyway.
That's what they intend to do.
Now, the reason they haven't done it right away
is because they're not sure
that you won't attract a bigger audience to your case
than they're comfortable having done.
But we're creating this anti-globalist alliance
and this is one of the cases,
we're making a big issue out of the pandemic
and the vaccine is designed to kill people.
This is a depopulationist effort.
And you've got a primary opportunity
to press forward the truth
and not be concerned about the consequences.
Now, the advice to raise all of these inquiries
and FOIA requests, you've gotta say,
I'm confident that the intelligence agencies
were behind this.
This was an intelligence agency operation
from the beginning.
So it's psychological operation running the American people,
it was designed to kill people.
And I want to get all the documents I can
to prove that there's already
quite a lot of documents out there.
You can find you'd have a very large network of people
who you could be on your side,
including Robert Kennedy Jr.
who has been out there against the vaccinations
and led the charge on the vaccinations and autism.
And he's assembled a large group of doctors
that would champion you.
You could connect with them on Substack.
You ought to create a Substack right away
and start telling your story on Substack.
But these are steps that you can take
to raise their risks of prosecuting you,
because you want to make your trial an international trial,
one that will be followed internationally
and one that will be seen internationally.
And you've never been given a megaphone this big.
And so therefore I would recommend you use it
every way you can.
We can help.
You need to get a website going.
You need to network.
We can start you on podcasts.
We can link you in with doctors that are working on this.
There's a whole network of them that you can find.
We'll get you on TNT.
Get you on TNT radio.
The whole works.
And we'll make it a major cause to love internationally,
that a doctor stood up against
this medical establishment and won.
If you didn't win in the courts,
you won in the moral victory of saving lives
and preventing people from having to submit
to the coercion of an oppressive government.
Your whole message can be,
if the government, if the global governments,
the World Health Organization can get away with COVID-19
and forced vaccinations of a poison,
what will they do next?
They're already talking about
the World Health Organization having supremacy
over every government's sovereignty in the world
to declare a pandemic because of global warming.
This is lying science.
They advanced because it was a lie.
It didn't accidentally find out it was a lie.
They knew it was a lie.
And they told it to you, told it to the world
because it's a lie.
That's evil.
Evil is not just doing something wrong.
Evil is doing something because it's wrong
and knowing it's evil, wanting to do it anyway.
These people, that's evil.
And you can charge these people with evil
and you'll win in the court of morality
and you'll win points for your soul
if you have to go to prison.
So Kirk, wonderful advice from Jerome Corsi.
I really recommend that you look at his C-SPAN interview,
sorry, speech.
He gives a speech to a group of people.
It's a wonderful interview.
He says amongst other things that they offered him
a plea deal in the Mueller investigation
and he says in the speech, I think,
that he told them that he would not lie before God
and he'd rather go to prison
if that's what they wanted to do to him.
And guess what they did?
They didn't indict him
because they're cowards, these people.
And Jerome, I hope I have misrepresented you.
I think that's-
That's very accurate.
Thank you, Stephen.
At least I say I-
And I think I'm right in saying that you were involved
in bringing HSBC to justice over money laundering
on behalf of the Mexican drug cartels.
Yes.
And Jerome told me recently that he figured out
how they did the voting fraud, figured out-
Yeah, we now have, I've been working with Andrew Paquette
who has discovered algorithms
into the voting registration logs of New York state
and about 17 other states, they're probably in every state.
It's a very complex National Security Administration
quality encryption scheme.
And what it does is it creates,
it creates whole new board of election numbers
for voters that have no relationship to when they registered.
And as such, it's a very complex scheme
where they can create fraudulent votes
and they can sort them into the deck.
It's like a card trick
where they can sort them into the deck
so they can deal them as fraudulent votes
whenever they want them.
They can find them, but you can't find them.
And there'd probably be,
in a 4 million database that the New York state has
for voter registration,
probably a million of the records are fraudulent
or potentially capable of being voted fraudulently.
So I'm in the process now of exposing this.
I wrote my first article on it,
submitted it last week to American Thinker.
And we will have this be a major national campaign,
God willing, in the next, between now and the election time.
I've just written the Anti-Globalist Manifesto.
We're going to war with these people.
Yes.
And you've also written the book,
the book on JFK assassination,
and people are believing you on that.
Not just you, but the doctor, the whistleblower doctor.
Yes.
Because Dr. Mantek, my co-author,
has a PhD in physics and his specialty was radiation,
and he studied x-rays, did a PhD thesis on x-rays,
then he got an MD and became a practicing radiation
oncologist, which he's practiced for four decades,
more than four decades, and he's still practicing.
He is doing locum tenens right now, very actively.
And he's brilliant.
He did optical density measurements of the JFK x-rays,
and he proved that the three that remain
were all forged to mask evidence of frontal shots.
And he identified clear evidence of two frontal shots.
And it's indisputable.
The book has been out since March 8th,
and no one has attempted to refute it, because they can't.
It's scientific evidence.
It's CSI quality evidence.
A JFK was shot twice in the front,
and you can see the evidence in the x-rays.
You can actually see one of the bullet fragment trails
across the top of its head that entered
at his forehead above his right eye.
And it's unmistakable.
What you've got is also unmistakable.
They will not give you the intelligence reports
where they knew that this was harmful.
You've got dozens now of reports from Pfizer, Moderna,
and the others being released,
where they suppressed the extreme events
that were occurring in their pre-trials.
They didn't conduct their pre-trials
according to standard procedures,
because they operated under emergency operation
or operation protocols.
Expose all these things.
Make it clear that they manufactured a bio weapon
where they've injected the spike protein,
the glycoprotein 120 of COVID-19 into your cells,
giving the RNA instruction to replicate the spike protein.
And it passes through your entire body,
and there's no mechanism to turn off the RNA.
Eventually that RNA will modify your DNA.
Eventually it'll kill you one way or the other,
depending upon your morbidity and depending upon your age.
It will hit your lungs or your heart,
or it'll form blood clots.
It has many different forms of action in the body.
And it all comes from patents that Fauci and the others held
at these NIH and the CDC,
and they get paid on these.
So you've got plenty to expose here,
and this is the best defense you can wage.
You will not-
Absolutely, and I agree.
So Jerome, what you're saying, I think,
it's not obvious to a lot of people,
but you have an enormous amount of power at the moment,
Kirk, potential power,
but they want to put you in prison, yes,
they want to put you in prison, but with minimum fuss.
So they're hesitating, weighing up,
what are the risks for them?
You need to increase the risks
by being as courageous as you possibly can.
We will all support you,
and we can find other people outside this group
who can support you too.
But we could assemble a wonderful team
of expert witnesses for you,
like Asukarit Bhakhti, Mike Eden.
I haven't asked them, but I'm sure they would help out,
and not just them.
Robert Malone, Peter McCalla, all these doctors,
Harvey Reisch, they would all come forward to support you.
And-
I appreciate that, thank you guys.
So I do have a website,
I do have a
Gifts and Go donation site.
I also have a Substack where I started writing
articles about my story.
I've kind of, it's been a struggle
trying to continue to write.
It's not a, I mean, I think I'm pretty good at it.
I think the two or three articles
that I have on my Substack are okay.
I just, it's not easy for me to sit down and do that.
It takes a long time to kind of put something out.
But I'll just be more diligent about doing that.
Last spring-
Advice on that is don't be a perfectionist.
Okay.
And don't make everyone in your articles
scholarly perfect, footnoted and medically correct.
Begin to say some outrageous things.
It's easier to just express what you're feeling.
This is outrageous, why are they doing this?
They're doing this because they're the criminals.
They're doing this because they know the effects.
You have to make strong,
these do not take a long or hard time to write.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, you can write everything.
So I really recommend Kirk that you watch
and everyone on the meeting now,
that they watch the C-SPAN-
Why don't you put that in the,
I don't even have the URL for that myself.
I haven't got it with me now.
So can someone research that while we're talking?
Yeah, it was on C-SPAN.
I'll take a look back and see if I can find it.
I will give you an enormous strength, I think Kirk.
So I think Jerome was a wonderful example to us all there.
He just confronted his own government
and essentially made them afraid of him.
Well, I've been confronting them for 20 years.
John Kerry and Swift Boat and Obama's birth certificate.
We found the birth certificate
from which Obama's was cloned and was validated by-
Where was he born?
Jerome-
I don't know where he was born.
I don't know to be honest with you.
I found all kinds of things.
I found the records from the Hawaii,
in Hawaii of all the people who landed in Hawaii
in these years, 1960 and 61.
And the record from the months in which
Anne Dunham would have arrived,
where the baby could have been born,
those air records are all missing.
And I went to the archives and said,
why are these records missing?
They're the only ones missing.
They wrote me a letter explaining that those were missing.
They didn't have them.
Somebody removed the records.
And that's clearly indication to me
of an intelligence operation.
I think he was born in Indonesia myself.
I think he's Indonesian, not African.
I think he is Sabud.
I've got to research Sabud and look him up.
The pictures of Sabud and Obama
are almost frighteningly identical.
But let me see if I can find the C-span.
So that could make him a Muslim.
He did attend school in Indonesia,
registered as a Muslim.
We did find those records.
Wow.
I published a lot on Obama over the years
and his entire story is like a CIA legend.
Nothing he says about himself is true.
All the stuff he wrote in dreams for my father,
it's all made up, it's all fantasy.
Wow.
He wasn't.
Okay, but I'll look for this and I'll come back.
That's everything I have.
Can I ask you?
Yeah, I don't need to take up any more time.
There's others with questions, yes.
Jerome, we'd really like to hear about the voting fraud
and other stuff that you've touched on now.
And I've got a slot on Tuesday.
Are you able to fill it or not?
Yes, I think, let me see if I can get Andrew Paquette
to agree to be the guest.
And I'll ask him, we'll take the slot on Tuesday.
Who's Andrew Paquette?
He's the guy who figured it out.
Oh, right, okay, very good.
Yes, that'd be great, Jerome.
So this Tuesday in two days time is free at the moment.
Okay, well, I'll set up to take it.
Okay, thank you.
All right, Glenn.
Hi, Kurt.
First off, we clearly, well, it seems to me
we are dealing with a fully weaponized government
at this point.
Do you disagree with that in any fashion?
No, not at all.
And if the current government stays in place
past this election, that there's probably no hope
for you avoiding jail.
Would you agree with that?
I wouldn't.
Okay, so.
And when you speak to the current government,
you're talking about the current administration.
I'm talking about the current Biden administration, yes.
Okay.
They've clearly completely distorted everything
around how trials are done, how law is applied,
how judges operate because they've bought them out.
Right.
And there are explicit contracts in place.
And while Jerome will talk about it being
intelligent operations, I'm gonna be more specific.
We agree around it being the evil elite.
I'm just very specific in saying it's George Soros
in combination with the Rockefeller family.
That they're at the top of it all,
and they drive everything.
So yes, there's a variety of intel that are complicit in it,
but they aren't driving this bus.
George Soros is driving this bus.
And they know that a new administration,
a righteous one based on President Trump,
will completely dismantle a network
that they've been putting together for over 150 years.
So they are gonna put every single weapon they have,
tens of billions, if not hitting toward trillions,
to prevent that from happening.
So I agree with Jerome saying the only hope is around
raising the awareness and getting people to join in.
And to some extent, with things you do,
joining in with other things.
And that some part of that really needs to be thinking
in terms of how do we get to November?
How do we actually get an election to occur?
And that's the space that the team I'm in,
the American Patriot Civil Defense Net
is doing a lot of focused work around enabling the public
to get involved and to start working
with their local law enforcement.
That if they don't start going
and talking to their police chiefs,
if they don't start going and talking to their board of eds
around the safety level of their school,
the safety level of their school,
they don't talk to their selectman,
they're going to be in the same boat
as everything else that's going on.
And that the United States will lose its last chance
of having a righteous government
and then be stuck in the same corrupt system
that the rest of the English speaking world is in.
So I point this out in part,
too often people get sort of settled
into their comfort zone
and the things that they know they can do well,
they try to stay with them.
And as Jerome has said,
I think this is the time we have to be breaking out
and we have to do some extra things
that don't necessarily fit our best skills
but are the only things that can in fact save us.
So a couple of weeks ago,
Jim Thorpe was on
and I advised him that just following through
with some of the medical things that he has done
and the attack on women in fertility in humanity,
while that's a very noble task,
it's one that he can't actually make any headway
unless we get a change of government.
And as such, I was encouraging him
to try to refocus his attention
either with helping to join into that effort
to make sure that we get a reasonable election this year
so that in fact we can have a government
we can work with next year
where many, many, many follow through things can happen then.
He got back to me a few days later and said,
no, sorry, that doesn't seem to my area of focus.
And he's clearly a very righteous man.
I've known him for several years.
I can just say he's controlled.
He's mind controlled.
And as are so many other people
that we would characterize as we feel are aware
and are awake to a variety of the things,
but not to all of them.
And as such, too many people, again,
get stuck in their comfort zone
and aren't ready to break out of it
because this is that moment.
This is that spiritual turning point.
This is the same kind of thing as the book of Esther,
where Esther had to, I mean, she was a queen.
She didn't have to risk her own life
to save the rest of the Jews.
She was a queen.
To save the rest of the Jews, but she did.
And she went in and twice risked her life.
Once just challenging the king the first time
and then second time once he had some degree of favor
indicating to her who the actual evil ones were
so that they both could be blocked
from having extra control from the king
and to give the Jews the opportunity
to actually battle directly against them.
Okay, thank you, Glenn.
Well said.
Anders, then Marv.
Good speech, Glenn.
Yes, hello, Kirk.
I don't know you don't me.
I'm a Norwegian researcher.
I spend a lot of time to try to figure out
what caused the excess mortality.
And I found that there are two main causes.
It's a vaccination of the Jabs
and it's also the radiation like Mark Steele said.
And I sent you an email with the, let's say, documentation
with a lot of references,
which if you might use it in the court case.
So I didn't send you everything,
but let's say it has been established now as a fact
that these Jabs contains a lot of ingredients
which is not supposed to be there or told to be there
including graphene, titanium
and about 28 to 50 different chemicals.
And these are most of them
having a positive surface charge.
They are electric materials
and they are developing into antennas, electrical antennas
which are causing radiation damage.
And my research established that evidence
that those who live in the rural places
without the radiation, they do not die.
If they are 80 plus, for example,
during the COVID era, unless they put on the 5G.
So these are, let's say targeted weapons systems,
biological, synthetical,
and these are correlated to these poisons
and these poisoning are described what it is.
And we are now doing some clinical research
with a double-blinded study and we are going into
and we are unfortunately finding that these toxins
are not just in the blood of the Vax
but also in a lot of others coming from other sources.
So please have a look into my email.
It's a document about 25 pages including references.
And I don't want to go into the virus discussion here
but there are references there into that subject as well.
And there are Stefan Lanker last year
won a German court case about that there is no evidence
of these virus effects.
And it was a new study recently here
where these are confirmed, let's say in a new American study
that the control group of the,
just a study of control groups proves that these
so-called spike proteins or different types of viruses
are appearing without entering any foreign material.
So I just mentioning that.
So obviously these injections had no purpose of any good.
We know that there is a court case in USA,
week or two ago, which says that there is no Pfizer,
et cetera, never claimed that they were going to prevent
the spread of the virus or whatever.
So I was sitting here with my brother and chatting
and let's say it's kind of incredible situation
incredible situation everywhere in Norway,
in Sweden, in Germany, the doctors who are taken to court
are those who are the honest ones and the criminal ones,
almost all others, they are off the hook.
The one doctor in Sicily in my hometown
who gave the third and lethal injection to my mother
in September, 2021, he's off.
The guy who gave the second Pfizer shot to my best friend
who got the brain stroke three days after he's off.
And they come up with explanations that they have a,
didn't take the blood thinner or whatever.
Yes.
So I'm just saying it.
My best friend, he took the third, the second Pfizer shot.
He held his mobile phone to his ears outside his house
and he's falling down, getting a stroke.
The third day after the Pfizer shot,
having the phone to the head.
So we have a lot of evidence
and these shots are electromagnetic devices.
The LED light, the street light, the car light,
the electric cars, all type of radiation,
low, medium, high frequencies are interacting
with these magnetic materials,
which are the causation of so many harm.
It is not, I don't believe in this story
with the spike protein.
It's dead cells.
Hang on, Anders, Anders, Anders.
What is the point of Kirk's position?
Please look into the evidence.
If you have questions, I have a lot more.
You need all the evidence you can have
to prove that you did the right thing
not to give this shit.
Nicely, that's what I nicely said.
You did the right thing not to give this shit.
Okay, thank you, Anders.
So Anders is another resource for you, Kirk,
in terms of the dangers.
Let's move on to-
Yeah, I'll look for my emails.
I've had a lot of people tell me that they've emailed me
and I've been trying to keep track of the chat as well
to not have to go back through it
to try to find everybody's, but thank you.
Thank you, Anders.
Okay, Marv and then Stephen, we'll go to you.
We've got half an hour left.
Hey, yeah, way to go, Kirk.
I spent in the 60s,
I was in a University of Utah graduate school
and I discovered Utah skiing and dropped out.
Where is your, where and when is your training
and what are you charged with?
Is it fraud?
Is that one count of fraud?
So it's, well, it's 1,936 or 37 counts of fraud,
conspiracy because it was three or four of us
that were involved in it and counterfeiting.
So it's 18 USC 371 and then 18 USC 271.
371 and then 18 USC 641 and 642.
And it's in January, your trials in January?
January 15th is the scheduled trial date right now, yes.
And Marv, just one second, did you hear Len's comment,
which was quite interesting, Kirk,
I don't know whether you were here
when Glenn made the comment
that there's going to be procedural applications
left, right and center.
They, you know, that I don't want this actually
to go to trial, but anyway, keep going, Marv.
I just thought I'd repeat that
because I think that's a very interesting angle.
Yeah, is it in Salt Lake City?
Yes.
Yeah.
Thanks.
You put it in your diary, Marv.
Have another skiing trip.
Yeah, you could have another ski.
Give Utah a chance, Marv.
All right.
So Stephen, next 15 minutes is yours.
Yeah, so Kirk, please don't say anything
that might prejudice your safety in this criminal trial.
So, but I just wondered if you could maybe,
you said, you kind of suggested
that maybe it wasn't in your interest.
And I took that to mean that you were worried,
not for yourself, but worried for, you know,
future lawyers, maybe that you felt
that you didn't want to talk
about how the situation came about.
Would I be right in thinking that
or are you able to discuss?
So for me, so I want to believe
that you tried to persuade as many people as possible
not to have the jab,
that some of them were absolutely adamant,
even amongst your patients,
even when you told them that it was dangerous
and all the rest of it, you know,
they were adamant that they wanted the jab.
And you thought, I don't know,
you don't have to tell me what,
but you thought to yourself, well,
if some of them don't have the jab, you know,
but I've told them obviously that I wouldn't recommend it
and they still want it, you know,
but you thought to yourself that in the long run,
maybe you could help more people
by taking that as a hit, you know?
So the possibility of criticism in the future
that you could help more people who didn't want,
they were the ones who really needed protection,
the ones who didn't want to go along with this nonsense
and felt really, really strongly about it.
So, and especially when you told them that nobody knew,
no doctor in the world knew what was in the jabs
and I worked that out very quickly.
And so I was saying that there was no possibility
of informed consent being obtained by any doctor
in the world because the patient couldn't possibly say
that he was informed and no doctor could either.
So in my mind, it seems to me that you couldn't have done
what you did helping the people who didn't,
who really didn't want it.
And that's why they came to you, a lot of them, presumably.
You couldn't help them if you didn't take the hit
and look as though you were going to give the jabs.
And, but then you, and then your clinic
and possibly ended up injecting these people.
But I can see that you needed the kind of,
because if you didn't do that, then you had no cover
and you'd be blown out of the wall.
You wouldn't be able to help as many people as you did.
So is that a fair assessment
without you saying anything or not?
Yes, it was basically an opportunity for patients of mine
to get a treatment or not a treatment based upon
what their perceived risks were
and my perceived risk and benefits were regarding
the medication or the vaccine or the bio-weapon.
And it was, nobody got a treatment that they didn't want
or that they didn't agree with.
And nobody had any complications from coming in
to see me in my office.
Yep.
I guess that's kind of the best way that I can.
But you can see what Jerry was kind of focusing on.
He was saying in his mind, it was wrong to give,
yeah, I can see that.
But actually it seems to me that you couldn't have helped
as many people as you did help.
If even after you had told them that,
look, we don't know what's in these things,
they could be dangerous,
and we don't even know that they work
and there's all this censorship.
And you could have kind of told them what you knew
and still they wanted it because they were in a cult.
And so you could argue, well, what do I do now?
What's the ethical thing to do?
And I can see there's a real moral dilemma there
because actually if you say, right,
I'm not gonna inject anybody,
then bang, away goes the opportunity
to help all these people
who really, really don't want to be vaccinated.
And that would include people like me
and many others in this group.
I can see that there's a huge moral dilemma.
We can explore it another time
when we haven't got an indictment hanging over you.
Yeah, it's just a fine line of discussion
of kind of exactly, I see exactly what Jerry's saying.
And I was not in any way, shape or form offended by him
kind of asking those questions.
Yeah, I understand.
And so I think also that he was suggesting
that you were a plastic surgeon.
So how did you come to be putting yourself out as a GP?
But I can absolutely understand that
because people were desperate to speak to any doctor
who they perceived to be trustworthy onside or whatever.
And these were extraordinary times.
It's not every day that the world is,
well, there was a global coup d'etat in March, 2020.
And that's absolutely, and it was definitely planned.
So they used the Trojan horse of a medical emergency
when there was no emergency to impose.
To me-
To impose totalitarianism, that's how I read it.
Yeah, to me, Stephen, this was an extension
of what it was that I was already doing.
I was one of the only docs or one of the very few
that I knew of that were actually treating people
pre-hospitalization.
I wasn't somebody, I wasn't doing any testing.
I wasn't sending anybody down to get a nasal swab.
I was talking to people on the phone.
I was getting emails from people.
I was having people come into my office
and I was treating them based upon symptoms,
which is what I'd always done in the past.
And the only difference is that now I'm treating people
for signs and symptoms and concerns that they had
regarding a flu-like illness, which in some capacity,
as you know, you always get that.
You have your, your sister will call you up and say,
hey, I got a throat infection.
Will you get me some antibiotics?
And it was kind of an extension of that.
The only difference is that I was treating
hundreds of people because nobody else was treating them.
And so they were coming to me because so and so's
sister's neighbor came to me and told them.
And so they would contact me via group me or phone call
or text message or come into my office.
And so the COVID side of it or the jab side of it,
the bioweapon, the quote unquote vaccine,
it's not a vaccine.
And our ninth circuit just came out with that
and said that this is not a vaccine.
It's a medical treatment.
And so.
And you did help them.
You didn't turn them away.
And that.
No, I didn't turn anybody away.
So you did what you provided comfort to these people
who needed advice, medical advice.
And that's exactly what a doctor should be doing.
He should be, you treated the patient in front of you
and you didn't dilute it in any way.
And whether you were right or wrong,
that's not the question because you're a plastic surgeon.
Yeah, you did qualify as a doctor once upon a time,
but you could be forgiven for getting things wrong
because you hadn't got the experience.
And you probably realized as well as I did
that doctors shouldn't be following protocols
and guidelines like they have been doing.
And that's exactly, you can't.
So it seems to me that doctors have,
without realizing it, not understood
that a doctor can only operate if he or she is autonomous.
And that autonomy has been removed from doctors
so that medical ethics can be ignored.
And so the medical profession can be controlled
as a cult, if you like, just like Cordelia,
who's a pathologist by the way, the British pathologist
who got the job with the NHS,
but then she told them in the end
that she didn't want all these vaccinations
or even the risk of them.
So the autonomy of doctors,
which allowed the proper practice of medicine
through observing medical ethics as you did
was removed from them and they didn't even realize it.
They didn't understand that evidence-based medicine
was wrong and evidence-based medicine,
the whole idea behind evidence-based medicine
and the creation of virology and the decline of immunology
was to create a construct, in my opinion,
so that they could do what they did in 2020.
Oh, I don't doubt it.
I think this has been a long time coming
and it was tried and true and done and perfected over time
going back to the HIV stuff in the early 80s,
to the bird flu, to H1N1, to SARS1,
to all of them, they were all kind of just flags,
test flags, balloons that were put up to see,
hey, how far can we go and what are we gonna be able to do?
How scared can we make people get?
Look, 100 years ago, people didn't like vaccines.
150 years ago in the middle of the 1800s,
nobody wanted to have anything to do
with a smallpox vaccine.
They saw everything and all this stuff with vaccines,
it was a taboo subject,
nobody wanted to have anything to do with them,
both from a public perspective
as well as from a physician perspective.
And then now over time, just with constant propaganda
and constant lying and scientific sleight of hand
and outright fraudulent data and papers
and things that are written in our journals,
that perspective has completely changed
to the point where even as physicians,
we don't question it.
Like I said, we go through medical school
and get 15 minutes of education on it.
Hey, they're safe and effective,
here's what we do, here's the program,
here's the childhood vaccination schedule,
and this is what you will follow
because everything behind this has all been proven
and you don't even need to look behind the curtain.
But when you start to raise that curtain
and you start looking at it and you see it,
I think it was at the bath conference
that Tess Laurie put on two years ago
and Del Bigtree was there and he got up on stage
with all of the people on stage
and he asked them one question, he said,
what do you guys, if you don't think you like COVID,
what do you think of the normal vaccine schedule?
And almost everybody up there was not a vaccine skeptic
and you've seen that transition
and Peter McCullough is an example.
Peter McCullough a year and a half ago, two years ago,
was not a vaccine skeptic and now he's going through it
and he's looking at it and he's saying,
hey, maybe these things aren't so good for you anymore.
He's doing the Harry Mullis thing
and people are waking up and we just need to,
we need for it to happen much quicker, much faster
and with more vigor and people like me,
cause I know that there's more out there,
need to stand up and need to start pushing back
because if it doesn't, what's happening to me
is gonna happen to everybody else out there,
whether it's a month or 10 years from now.
Absolutely.
They continue to get away with it, then we are,
I mean, it's just, we have to stand up,
we have to push back and we have to not comply.
Absolutely, yeah.
So people need to discover their courage
if they ever had any.
So I wanted to ask you, so Kirk,
do you think there was a pandemic?
It doesn't matter if you get the right or wrong
or whatever right and wrong is.
No, no.
Okay, and when did you realize that there was no pandemic?
Probably, what are we, June, July of 2024?
I was probably fully on board, no pandemic by the end of,
by the middle, so two years ago,
maybe a little bit more than that.
Very good.
So if there was no pandemic,
then what we've gone through for the last four years
was a fraud, wasn't it?
The whole thing was a fraud.
Absolutely.
It wasn't just that there was no pandemic,
the whole damn thing was a construct.
Correct.
Yeah.
The whole thing.
And so bearing in mind, Kirk,
I just, I've got limited time.
So bearing in mind that Kerry Mullis,
I absolutely respect Kerry Mullis.
He was a genius on the level of Jerome, I'm joking.
No, no, Jerome is very, very clever.
But Kerry Mullis, he said,
so I think what you were saying,
the HIV virus is the probable cause of AIDS.
I think that was the statement you were talking about.
So he wrote this,
the HIV virus is the probable cause of AIDS.
Now we won't go into whether viruses exist or not.
I'm sure you've heard about the discussion about that.
Not at the moment anyway, but so the HIV,
so he couldn't, he was a Nobel Prize winner,
in 1993, he got the Nobel Prize correctly, I think.
For the PCR.
Yeah, 1983, he invented, if you like,
the PCR technique, not the PCR test.
And he won the Nobel Prize 10 years later for that
in chemistry.
He was an absolute genius.
I don't know whether you've ever seen the wonderful video,
I think it's on YouTube,
of him talking about his school days
when they were sending rockets up.
And have you heard about, did you?
No.
The guy was a genius.
Anyway, he ended up saying that Fauci
doesn't know anything about anything.
And I have seen that.
I have seen that.
I'd say that to his face.
Right.
Yeah, I thought, I had really started to,
I thought this is my kind of guy.
So I really started trying to find everything I could
about Kerry Mullis.
But Kerry Mullis said that, you know, the test,
the PCR test, his technique should not be used
as a diagnostic tool for diagnosing illness.
Right.
So, and that's exactly what they did.
But they had to kill him first in August, 2019.
So he did die in August, 2019 in suspicious circumstances.
And of course the temporary relationship
of his death in 2019 and the beginning of this nonsense
in the beginning of 2020, arguably before that,
it was just too much of a coincidence.
And another one I think they killed was Montagnier,
who was speaking out in the turn.
Yep.
And we need to think about what-
He won the Nobel Prize for HIV and then he gave it back.
Yep, he did.
He won the Nobel Prize.
Did he give it back?
I didn't know that.
I'm pretty sure he gave it back
because he had an ethical quandary with himself
about he was wondering how much of it was really true.
That's what I think and I might be wrong on that, but-
So, well, that's very interesting.
So Montagnier, maybe that was why he had to die.
So he ended up saying in Milan when he was over 90,
he gave a speech in February, I think it was of 2022,
a week later he was dead.
And he said, the unvaccinated will save humanity.
Did you know that?
No, I did not know that.
Yeah, and some people think that that was why he had to die.
Yeah, he was over 90, but still he was in,
he was in fine voice that day when he was,
okay, he had to have some help through the crowd,
but it was a big crowd in Milan.
And he gave this incredibly brave speech
and he ended up saying that the unvaccinated
will save humanity.
Now, what did he know that he didn't want to tell people
about, but interestingly, Kerry Mullis asked,
he ended, he was asking everybody for the reference
for his statement.
The HIV virus is the probable cause of AIDS.
He wanted to write something
and that was his first sentence and they could,
and to his amazement, he couldn't find any reference
that he liked.
So he ended up going to Montagnier years,
a couple of years later, as I understood it,
and asked him directly.
And Montagnier was surrounded by people as usual.
And they were surprised that Montagnier
suggested a couple of things and Kerry Mullis
knew the studies he was referring to,
said, no, don't write that, don't write that.
And then he walked away from Kerry Mullis,
not to his surprise, but also to the surprise
of the people around Montagnier.
So clearly Montagnier, maybe for the same reason
as he didn't want to, gave the Nobel Prize back,
I don't know whether that's true,
but sounds like the kind of thing he might've done.
And so I think he may be, and so the point is this,
that bearing in mind what we know about Kerry Mullis
and Montagnier, do you think it's possible
as a medical doctor in America
that actually there was no novel respiratory disease
called COVID-19?
Not only is it possible, I firmly believe
that there was a twin.
Absolutely, I think the same.
So on that note, Charles, I think that's a great point.
Great point to end.
Okay, thank you everybody, thank you Kirk.
Thank you everybody for your contributions,
for your input, for your suggestions.
Kirk, I'll share some stuff, links with you,
other people who sent you emails.
Charles, one thing before we go,
next Tuesday I've got a conflict.
I'd like to bring Andrew Paquette on next Saturday.
Sunday.
Stephen, next Sunday, next Sunday.
Oh, well the problem is that there's somebody,
Leslie Manoukian speaking to us and I think-
Leslie can't do it, she wants the night, Dr. Stephen.
She would like the night.
Leslie Manoukian cannot do it next Sunday,
but she can do it on Sunday the 9th.
Good, okay, there you are.
Jerome can do Sunday.
Stephen, how's that?
I'll take Sunday.
God works in mysterious ways.
There we go.
Jerome, so I've got guests for the next four meetings,
five meetings, including you, so you can have next Sunday.
Yes, thank you.
Could you help me with the guests for Tuesday?
I'll work on that tomorrow.
I'll talk to Carla Dean Graves,
we'll work on that tomorrow.
Thanks so much.
Okay, thank you.
Dr. Stephen, can Leslie have July 9th?
Leslie Manoukian?
Let me just write it down, July 9th, yep.
Is that Sunday?
Leslie Manoukian, Leslie-
It's a Tuesday.
Tuesday. It's a Tuesday.
No, that's Michelle's.
So what's the next time that Leslie Manoukian could do?
Sorry, everybody.