Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's special format of
discussion which will be a discussion between two experts in the field JJ Cooey and Sukrit
Bhakdi. Both of them are presented on a number of occasions to us. We're so grateful that they have
and this group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost. I'm Charles Covess the moderator.
We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. This group has been
going for over three years. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War Three and that
the medical science battle is only one of 12 battle fronts in this world war but today we're
focusing on the medical science battle although I haven't been briefed precisely Jay and Sukrit
how you're going to have this discussion but we're very much looking forward to this. Most of us
understand the development of science and that the science is never settled. So we will listen
to Jay and Sukrit for as long as they wish to discuss and then we'll have an opportunity for
questions. Jay is only with us for an hour and a quarter from now. Jay so thank you Stephen
Frost for creating this group. Thank you everyone for being here. Sukrit and Jay their CVs can be
found on their presentations so I won't go through those backgrounds and Stephen in terms of the
format that you have discussed with Jay and Sukrit. I'll just tell you as much as I know so
I spoke to Jay Jay last night and to Sukrit too but I didn't want to weigh down Sukrit so I asked
Jay Jay what he thought and he said could I just do a brief presentation to kind of and obviously
if Sukrit wants to do the same that's fine so I think Jay Jay was thinking about 10-15 minutes
and then I think the best thing would be if Jay Jay and Sukrit just could just talk and
I suggested to Jay Jay that if I you know I think the aim of the exercise is to have a very
interesting video it doesn't they don't have to agree on everything but I think that maybe
makes the video as interesting as possible and so keeping in mind that it's a document which can be
viewed by people all around the world in two years time even so or five years time so
and I said that maybe did I have his permission to interrupt if I thought that the meeting was
going a little bit astray as far as what I think the public need to know and absolutely and I
encourage that's fine yes maybe Sukrit wouldn't agree but I'll try not to interrupt Sukrit and Jay
Jay. Sure go ahead. So if everybody is agreeing that I'm starting that's I'm ready. Are you happy
with that Sukrit? You don't have to agree. Sure I'm happy with almost everything. If you are not
seeing my screen now and me on my screen then when I switch over here you won't see me either.
Yes you can say that okay Jay. It's okay. If you need to you got to go to speaker view. So I come
to you Sukrit and I'm going to make this a personal message because everyone here has seen me a lot of
times so we're all good friends here but Sukrit and I actually first crossed paths in the original
Doctors for COVID Ethics before it blew up and I remember that those first few meetings very well
because the first time that I clicked on that zoom meeting and I saw you and Wolfgang Wodock I actually
thought it wasn't going to last very much longer and I'm coming to you as an American because I
think America is actually under attack. I think we're being undermined from the inside by traders
who are collaborating with other people in other nations that have had have similar problems to
manage and so I start this stream with like or this explanation with like a little bit of words
that have Fauci behind them and a little smoke because I think there's a 30,000 foot message here
that at the start of the pandemic they convinced us to go home and get on social media
and argue with the people that they put in front of us and argue about what they were arguing about
and by doing that we actually accepted the premises of their narrative that included this
crazy novel virus that everybody was vulnerable to and this theater actually spans almost the
entire mythology of what we've been following and unfortunately for me as an American a lot of my
history is part of this mythology. We have been governed by stories about what we're doing in
different countries and what we mean to do there and how we're spending our money and we have been
behind our TVs and cheering for our sports teams not realizing that our government was out of our
control for the last two or three decades and so for me it's very very important to emphasize that
I was particularly trapped on Twitter and because Twitter was presented to me as this place where
people were getting away with giving out information that the government didn't want them to give away
with and I got tied in with all of these people that have risen to be international heroes at
COVID summits and giving speeches in front of crowds and all of these people know who I am a
lot of them even take selfies with me but none of them will talk about the biology that I've come
to understand and if you can hear the noise there that's the guy in that chair. For five years I
thought I was fighting Tony Fauci and Deborah Birx and the CDC and the lies that Peter Daszak
had made some virus with the Chinese and I thought I was fighting them by promoting these people
by trying to get on their podcast by trying to argue with them by trying to get them to notice
me and what I didn't realize was that was all part of that big game and I don't want you to underestimate
how much sort of UFO like pain I've been through and when I say UFO like pain I mean I was totally
in I wanted to be a tenure track professor I was a biologist I wanted to learn the university
system I wanted to learn how to write grants and so I would have given anything to keep my job at
the beginning of the pandemic but I also knew that something crazy was going on and so at the
beginning of the pandemic I ended up getting fired from the University of Pittsburgh School
of Medicine and as far as I know I'm the only person in America that actually lost a job in
2020 with a track record of just doing academic biology and trying to make it and in fact my CV
includes a Nobel Prize winning lab and five papers with them so it's a little bit dubious for me that
I'm the only I don't want to toot my own horn I want you to see how desperate it is in America
that actually all the Americans that have risen as heroes didn't lose anything and in fact my resume
includes a whole year where I was employed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Children's Health Defense
to help him write this book and you can even see my name in the in the acknowledgments and I worked
for Children's Health Defense afterward for another six months before they fired me for talking about
Robert Malone on my stream and so I have been trying to teach people to understand that what
they told us on the TV and and in social media is not the truth but also that I don't know what the
truth is I only know that they're lying so I'm sorry I'm goofing around a little bit I'm trying
to get this window a little smaller there so I can see. JJ I'd just like to say something that from my
perspective we've had hundreds of guests on this channel and so I've got used to listening to
people saying various things about what's happened in the last four and a half years
and Sukrit Bhakhty, Professor Dr Sukrit Bhakhty, Thai German and you JJ Cooey, Dr JJ Cooey PhD
are the outstanding people on our side maybe Mike Eden as well he was invited tonight
but I thought he was a little bit hard to get but he always is like that so I thought actually
it would benefit tonight it would be good to have just you and Sukrit anyway and we can have Mike
Eden another time but I think he's up there with you too but I think everyone in the world should
listen to what you two have to say because I think from my perspective as a British medical doctor
you are the two outstanding experts on COVID-19 and whether there was a pandemic or not and whether
there was in fact a disease called COVID-19 whether there was a new respiratory disease
I think you are the two guys who can work it out together. JJ Thank you very much and I think we
have to work it out together as a story and so the current narrative that all of us, most of us
have been brought to understand is crucial and if you watch this list and think about it as I read
it it should really bring into focus how even both sides of our countries have basically come to
accept a middle ground narrative. The first one is that the truth was definitely censored on social
media in 2020 and 2021. The other part of this narrative is that a novel virus swept the world
including twice in 2021 because there was a variant and then there was Omicron and everybody got both
of those. The shortage or overuse depending on who you talk to sometimes it was a shortage,
sometimes it was overuse of ventilators killed people. There was no expected rise of all cause
mortality all the novel deaths all the excess deaths in these countries were a result of this
novel virus. We rushed the rollout of this new technology and that saved people but we made a
lot of mistakes with it and now it's starting to come out what kinds of mistakes we might have made
by rushing it. And then once we stop using this toxic spike protein when once we clean up the DNA
contamination the methodology of transfection which is what it was called when it was sold
as many different products before 2020, transfection is good to go to use in humans forever. That's
that's where we are and in fact we are where most people have come to accept that the old vaccines
and the new vaccines remain a wonderfully wonderful great way to augment the immune system
via intramuscular injection. That's where most people on the planet are in most western countries
and this terrifies me because after five years going from a complete naive academic biologist
to a full-blown skeptic I've come to understand biology well enough to be able to explain why
this isn't true. So if you take this and I just want to make sure we're doing all the same mental
exercise here if you take this and try to explain this little part of the graph down here if you can
see my arrow this little part of the graph down here if you try to explain it with a pie graph
what you might do is say that the red it's 32% COVID the yellow is vents and protocols we killed
some people the vaccines are now hurting a lot of people and they hurt each other hurt a lot of
people after 2021 and then of course there are just these people that died and so that's how
the mainstream narrative would explain what happened here we had a virus we also had a response some of
it was botched you know some people committed suicide because of the lockdown you know all that
stuff that's all wrapped up in here and we have all come to accept that that's just what happens
when there's a crisis. Now I would argue that that's absolutely not the case let's start with the
first one truth truth wasn't censored on twitter and social media truth was faux censored on twitter
and people followed the people who got to go on tucker carlson and complain about it people
followed the people who got censored on linkedin and then went to gab and went to telegram and
went to locals and so actually they got us to perform several times via our phone and our
social media a literal button push to tell them that we were the dissidents and what we were doing
and what we were willing to do were you willing to log into another another platform were you
willing to to give your credit card again this kind of thing so did a novel virus sweep the world
uh i don't think so i think a background noise was misconstrued as novel spread and i can explain how
that is absolutely undifferentiable from what they say they have as 16 million sequences of
sars-cov-2 the shortage or overuse of ventilators killed people i've challenged every doctor that
i've ever been able to talk to to figure out whether they already knew that pure oxygen can
cause acute respiratory distress syndrome because in the literature i have accumulated
more than a thousand articles from before the pandemic but many of them even predate 1990
where people realized that in the icu if you give somebody pure oxygen they're going to go south and
y and then they experimented with actually all the way down to 80 percent if you give it to them
pure and not the right way without monitoring you can drive them right into ards which will
lead to bacterial pneumonia and sepsis and everything else and so that literature is very
strangely contrasting with what we did in america which is we had people like pierre corey going in
front of the senate telling people that they were low on oxygen in new york city and the way they
solved it was giving them pure oxygen up to 60 liters a minute and this murdered people and then
they called it covid in the hospital there was no expected rise in all-cause mortality on the radar
of any country that's an absolute lie we've known since the 80s that because we had big families
after world war ii and then the family size slowly decreased while at the same time our ability to
keep people alive and take care of people at end of life care has greatly increased in our for
profit health care system medicare is half of america's budget and america has known for the
last 15 or 20 years that if we let these baby boomers age out on medicare we will go bankrupt
there are there's footage of of ted turner talking about this on tv in the 90s that i
remembered so this is not something that all these countries didn't know was going to happen and guess
what the chinese also had this problem that's why they instituted the one child policy in the first
place so we were at a time frame when all these countries were going to have an inconvenient
level of all-cause mortality and they had a real bona fide reason to manage it so we roll rushed
out a new technology no we didn't we rushed it out in the guise of a crisis so that we could hide the
expected downsides we've always known transfection wouldn't work in healthy humans that's why it was
only tested on cancer patients and other people that were going to die before the pandemic so we
accept this technology and we'll never be able to evaluate vaccination again because it starts to
become a platform where you substitute what you put in as a cassette and so they're they're casting
a spell on you to think that once this methodology is proven then we can put any lego we want in there
and if that lego is bad well we'll just fix the lego instead of fixing the methodology when the
methodology was bunk from the start so vaccines remain a wonderfully great way i would say no i
would say intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the
immune system is dumb if there are exceptions to that rule then let's find them but i don't
think there are very many and none of them have to do with viruses now if this is the truth
then we would explain what happened in 2020 and 2021 very differently because we would have expected
an arise and all-cause mortality in all of these countries that agreed to you know the new normal
and build back better all these countries had exactly the same problem and so they expected a
lot of people to die and so what better way to manage these people than to murder them instead
of you know keep them alive for the last year of their life and so many countries had this problem
it's very hard to underestimate how easily they could have done it if they just used pure oxygen
or if they just starved people in the hospitals of scotland in the care homes of scotland or let them
let them die of thirst or or urinary tract infection because you know antibiotics don't
work out of viral disease so so i think i can summarize this best in four basic headlines and
so i would like you to ask questions based on these headlines and i'm going to go real quick
because i want you to have time the biological and actuarial backgrounds have been ignored by
so many actuaries and so many virologists so i'm going to explain why there can be a background
signal that we would never have known about before the pandemic simply because we weren't
testing for it and of course what this actuarial background is murder in america was by opioids
number one because we've lost almost a half a million americans to opioids in the last four
years and you have to subtract those people from the covet numbers and if you do that it's kind of
like there's not a lot left and especially from the fact that those people are of all age groups
so the perceived decrease in life expectancy in america isn't as from covet as as pierre corey and
and tony Fauci would like you to believe pure oxygen murdered people no antibiotics and using
steroids also murdered people you can ask robert Malone about that because he joked about that on a
podcast in 2021 where he explained that people were given dexamethasone which is a hammer for
their immune system and then sent back to care homes to die of pneumonia again because antibiotics
don't work on a viral pneumonia and then of course hospital neglect was all over the world my my
father-in-law died of a urinary tract infection and my sister-in-law had to take three or four
vaccines in order to keep getting chemo in the netherlands pcr can be extremely high resolution
on a university academic bench but also nonsense for for pcr in covet and none of these people in
five years have been able to explain that and finally rna biology does not support the premises
of a pandemic and this is a a coronavirus subprotein and this is a drug you might be familiar
with and the only reason why any of these people can make an argument about coronaviruses being
able to pandemic is because of these two little hints here so we can talk about that too so i'll
explain it really quick first the biology everybody before the pandemic agreed that endemicity
would be the scariest thing from before the pandemic people were talking about how if a bat
cave virus gets out the craziest thing would be as if it becomes endemic and contributes to this
already terrible background of death that mother nature provides for us so that that is impossible
to differentiate this is endemicity it's leaked in a mud puddle in wuhan and suddenly it's everywhere
including in white tail deer the endemicity is undifferentiable from an already existing background
that the biosecurity state carefully characterized before 2020 because we don't have any data from
before 2020 and isn't that convenient for them not one test nothing yet before when the pandemic
rolled out i don't know if senator ron johnson's aware but at some point in 2021 we had over 200
eua authorized diagnostics for covid 19 that are all off the market now they're all gone and so the
whole the illusion of this background could have easily been sustained by any number of of let's
say less than than than happy actors there so the biological part can also be replaced by an
actuarial part because again as i said the population pyramid of america was top heavy
and these are bad numbers i don't know where these numbers come from i don't think these are probably
accurate because the real accurate numbers would would show you exactly how much of a phenomenon
was coming for the next five years that will go away in five years because these old people will
be gone and they knew that was coming i can't stress enough how all of these countries have
known it was coming and in fact countries like the netherlands and probably germany if you look
into it canada and china all had this problem that if they would have mismanagement of this
problem would have left them with hospitals and care homes full of old people and and and and just
countless amounts of money being spent on these the the last years of their lives and so in america
with the opioid crisis with supplementary oxygen but also with lack of antibiotics use ventilators
remdesivir medazolam all of these things do not resuscitate orders fear frustration and doubt
people doing crazy stuff yes but they only had to do a little bit they only had to do a little bit
because the the vast majority of this was expected so if they used a military operation to sweep a
few together in new york and a few other places and then got a bunch of people on social media
to scream with burning hair about it it becomes very easy to cover up murder and lies and say
that it's a the start of a novel pandemic and that's why i call it murder and so these people
are getting away with it by not talking about 2020 if you're wondering um there's a scottish um
cares home study and whatever that's been coming out a couple years in a row now
it's just devastating the obvious that they murdered people there if you look at just the
medazolam numbers for 2020 you can see the spike of murder it's just very easy to see
what they did and it was a coordinated effort and what's really scary is that all the people that
were really into the the pandemic in 2020 when i was still a faculty member at the university
of pittsburgh didn't have any of these ideas in their head they had no idea that that that there
was an expected rise in all-cause mortality they had no idea that that oxygen could kill people
if it was given to people at 60 liters a minute instead they were super fired up about a fear
and cleavage site that they were sure meant that it was a gain of function virus they were sure
that mitochondrial damage was happening or that the virus was going up the olfactory nerve
and so all of these people were singing from the rooftops with different parts of a narrative that
actually had nothing to do with what was going on but were there just to cover up the murder and lies
and make it easier for them to roll out the transfection because these same people are
still in front of us in social media today they still get in front of the senate for the sixth
time or the fourth time or whatever they're all the same people and these are people that are
connected to this narrative which has replaced a mystery virus scooby-doo story with what are
actually the biology expected if they started transfecting people to new proteins
and we knew all this from all the transfection that we've done on our bench all the transfection
trials that we've done since jesse gelsinger and beyond in humans we've known exactly what we needed
to do in order to get this stuff out and we needed a crisis to get it out and we needed a crisis that
we could tie all these bad things that we knew would happen anytime somebody got a hot batch
and actually transfected with a placebo so you just put a bunch of placebos out there you can
meet any manufacturing quota you want in the meantime you can use your databases and whatever
else to keep track of those lots that are actually hot and so that's the reason why no one will talk
about the background signal and why it could be misconstrued as spread most of the illusion is
dismissed already there especially if you tie into the fact that all of the people that have been in
front of us have never been able to adequately and and succinctly explain how pcr can be very
accurate in a university and ridiculously a specific on a hot background with a bunch of
you know random companies making them especially from china and define the countermeasures as
transformations and transfections i don't know if you're aware sucret but before the pandemic
using a denovirus to express a protein was called transformation and using naked dna or mrna
in a gene gun with with gold particles or with lip lip ofectamine or with centrifugation or with
electroporation that was all called transfection and so there were companies that were selling a
whole catalog of products under the headline transfection and at the beginning of the pandemic
my government called those investigational vaccines that's an obvious truth that no one is
saying so even in the purest form these chemically altered RNAs would have never been able to produce
a high fidelity protein these RNAs would have never been able to produce be produced in their
pure form and anybody that's worked in a pharmaceutical company where they make biologics like
like a monoclonal antibody they all know that you can't make a pure pure pure RNA that there
will be these fragmented RNAs and all of these biologists ought to know that tiny RNAs micro RNAs
small interfering RNAs these are all points of regulation that we barely even understand and
don't want to mess with with a with an unknown quantity and then finally this might bother you
a little bit for the last five years but there's been all these people going around saying that
there's no virus and i think i finally figured out what their problem is they're trying to help
cover this up too because if they weren't trying to help cover this up then they would have already
taken number five and run with it which is that if you go back to the the virology literature
especially with regard to RNA viruses you will find that people go into the wild and they find
a signal using PCR or sequencing but then they don't grow that signal in a culture dish they
don't grow that signal by by swabbing a lot of bats what they do is they order that signal from
a synthetic DNA manufacturer they assemble it and then they amplify it in a bacterial culture and
then using a commercial RNA polymerase they can turn it into RNA and then put that RNA on their
cell culture and call that virology but they're starting with a pure quantity of the RNA that
they claim to have found in the wild that they could never produce by any other means and that
is the main illusion that occurs in virology and so even those papers that are called gain of function
are done this way and so i can explain that again if it's necessary and finally i think the
shortcut is to say RNA cannot pandemic because it's not it doesn't have the same biology that
we've attributed to the magic molecule of DNA it just doesn't and so that's another thing that a
lot of these biologists should have done known better so the the summary again this narrative
that they told us on tv isn't true they didn't censor the truth at the beginning they they got
us to follow the people that they censored and those people have been fooling us there wasn't
a novel virus there was a background signal that can't be differentiated from what they call
an a virus going endemic and i think it's very damning that you can find lectures from a long
time ago that re-date all the way to 2002 with the original SARS where they're talking about
endemicity as the scary thing that's 10 years of time to characterize a background that they then
lied to us about the shortage of ventilators or elon musk gonna make ventilators or or donald
trump gonna ship ventilators to new york this is all nonsense in fact they were running an oxygen
plant on the ship comfort in new york city and running this narrative about everybody if you
don't have vents you can give them oxygen and that is absolutely murder and i know at least one man
my friend scott whose daughter was murdered just like that there's a huge rise in expect at all
cause mortality that's a big one we didn't rush it out we actually did this on purpose because
otherwise transfection would have never been accepted by everyone and this lie about the spike
or this lie about about i don't know what they're talking about those all things might be true
but transfection to any foreign protein and i know sucre will agree with this because this is who i
learned it from transfection to any foreign protein is going to challenge the immune system
to attack itself and it's it's gonna make mistakes it can't do that flawlessly it's a terrible idea
and and you're also augmenting the immune system intramuscularly i think is a very dubious claim
of methodology because as sucre can tell you the immune system is oriented it's oriented inside out
and so augmenting it not at a barrier but behind the barrier is just insane especially for a
respiratory whatever and that's why we are here we are here where people like steve kirch is saying
that maybe in five years we'll have safe vaccines in america if robert f kennedy jr makes them safe
and we have elon musk actually saying that the reason why we don't have smallpox in america is
because of the smallpox vaccine still and it's scary they are i need your help sucre because
you and other people from europe can look at your own vaccine schedule and compare the calendar
and quantity and you can see that my vaccine schedule in america is criminal and it's evidence
that these people are criminals and you can help because you don't even have to say anything about
germany you can just evaluate what i'm showing you and follow up on this i really think i can
explain any of these in detail that you want to and the way that i would summarize it is intramuscular
injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb
transfection and healthy humans was always criminal and rna cannot pandemic that's please
try and and and see if any of that we can discuss any of that thank you yeah and most importantly
from my point of view as a medical doctor was there a pandemic or wasn't there and in fact is
it possible that pandemics are not possible in the future and haven't been in the past so the
whole thing about pandemics was a construct for these criminals in my opinion and they've been
working up to it trying to undermine the influence of immunologists who know about the
wonderful immune system of all animals including human beings and and handing it over to the
virologist whose duty in my opinion to all these criminals was to push virology to hide the
immunology so that human beings mere human beings could actually be hubristic and say they know
better than god whoever god is so i think this is anti-human and it's really important that we
get to the bottom of this about whether pandemics are possible we were taught at medical school a
deadly virus kills its host i asked the immunologist the immunology professor
at the time i was a medical student i didn't even know why i was asking the question
i said does that mean that pandemics are not possible and the immunologist professor said
very good steven but i had no idea why he said very good i don't know what he knew looking back
i didn't know what he what he knew at the time can i chime in so sure you did you go zuckert
well i'm going to be very short jay i have nothing to add to anything you said i completely agree so
there's not going to be any discussion on this the only point i want to make to you jay is that i have
specifically and intentionally always avoided any discussion on the the the topic of virus or no
virus because i felt that it was better to avoid this discussion in order to not lose time and
effort on a topic that was not really relevant it's not relevant because what is really relevant
now is that we have to stop this rollout of the rna and vector map vaccines this is this is what
we have to try to do and as everyone who is listening today know the who declared what was
this over a year ago that it was their intent to install rna vaccinations in veterinary medicine
and human medicine and as you yourself said jay it's a cassette that has been put into a recorder
okay and there's no no control anymore so my soul my sole purpose in the next weeks and months
is my sole intent is to try to stop this and to get you guys to stop it now the second thing
was the question about pandemic and steven your immunology professor said very good because the
question was very good and of course as i've been trying to say for four years now there is no
pandemic there was no pandemic and there will be no pandemic and it's like jay said the rna can't
pandemic it can't and there's no reason to discuss this anymore because it's clear and
and if it's clear we shouldn't waste time talking about it so anyone who comes up and says there was
a pandemic he should prove that there was one it's not we who have to show that there was no
pandemic but in fact no numbers will support that statement no one has any numbers that can support
that statement so that is actually all i wanted to say as a comment to what jay said because i
have no comments except that i agree entirely with everything that he has said so can i ask you how do
you how do you think we should um do you think that what jj is saying and i've been saying this
for a long time that we need to create our own narrative it's really important we don't need to
discuss with the people who don't agree with us we need we need to tell the public what we know and
we haven't done that properly so all right steven sorry i i'm sorry uh i there i disagree i don't
think uh we can succeed it's impossible it's impossible to transmit this knowledge to lay
people it's just too difficult it's too difficult you know now i've spent a lot of time and effort
trying to transmit the simplest things i mean jay went into some depth and that makes it impossible
to reach the vast majority of people so what i think and this is what i want to propose to all
of you today and uh i'm so glad that people like ron johnson there vera sharav is here
hello everyone you know and um but you are the people who can now take over and uh you have the
power to do so you have this laser sword okay star wars because and this is what i want to bring
home today the robert coffeyes have given you this instrument they have given you a present that is
more precious than anything that has happened in the last five years so i wanted to ask you
i think there's 78 uh participants who knows about the robert coffeyes steven what do you know
i i haven't had time to look into that secret well then i tell you all of you i i i advise all of you
may i ask the 78 of you are here who knows about the robert coffeyes i think nick hudson probably
does yeah and then you always go to nico are you here yeah he's there nick what are you saying
are you hello it's been a long time since we spoke and
robert coffeyes what does that tell you well we we were looking at them very closely and there
are a number of inconsistencies but i mean let's put the inconsistencies in our concern
regarding the changing nature of the disclosures over time and the disclosures come just to explain
to the audience the disclosures come in two formats there's a leak and there's a the equivalent of an
american foyer and their incompatibilities uh there's signs of editing of documents including
emails so the provenance of these files and the manner of the leaks and uh and foyers does register
some concern with us and we're looking into it so that's why we've been a little bit cagey and
uh i would encourage everybody to follow robert cogan who's one of the most heavily suppressed
people on um on social media in general um and his articles but but just to just to answer sukkarit's
question um there's a a claim made by rki that the entire story was politically motivated
and that they were engineering results to suit political ends and and so i agree with sukkarit
just that that alone is uh worth the worth the price of admission but um there's a concern there
because it's also patently clear that the robert cock engine institute had been engineering itself
uh for years possibly even decades towards the the end goal of proselytizing a fake pandemic
uh sukkarit i'd be curious to to hear whether you think i've picked out the important parts
or or there's there are other features that deserve mention yes certainly uh what you last said
was of course a key point uh meaning that these robert cock protocols they are protocols of their
meetings that took place daily uh starting in 2020 every day they came together and these protocols
are the protocols of the meetings and it is absolutely clear it was march 16 2020 where
it is written in the protocols that they knew that this virus was not particularly dangerous
and therefore the danger signal was set on medium to low but that they were waiting for a phone call
call from a politician and when this phone call was received one day later they would up
the danger signal so this is political control of a medical uh institution and that is what
set off the green light for the lockdowns and for the vaccination okay now nick listen very carefully
all of you that is what is going around in germany and it's going wild because very correctly that
is enough to build a case against the robert cock institute and the ministry of public health
however there is one other protocol that is much much much more important
there are over 4 000 pages of this protocol that all of you can read and in fact i think they are
now available in english right nick did you see them in english yes yes we do see them in english
i've got a point for you later as well allow me a chance to come back nick then i advise you as
you and all of you who are listening now to go to the protocol of the 27th of april 2020
27th of april 2020 just that one protocol now in the german uh version it is on page 725
okay and right in the middle there's a protocol of the subject that they
were handling and what was that subject the subject was the the
the vaccination program that was going to be started all right the implementation of a
vaccination program now this was in april 2020 wow there was no vaccine okay
where no one knew that there were any clinical trials that were being held now listen very
carefully steven you open that protocol look at that page and you will see two things that will
change history if you can use them and you all of you can use them ron johnson can immediately
use this in america because of course this pertained to the implementation of the vaccination
program in germany and the world with the german product from biotech phyton okay that was the
first one so what do you read you read lo and behold
several vaccines will become available they have been developed and tested in a
at lightning speed
very in an accelerated fashion they have been tested developed and tested in an accelerated
fashion so they were already there okay now if you want to know how they had been developed
and tested you go and read the autobiography of ugo sign and his wife joe miller project lightning
speed it's all written down there and it is documented that they used fake methods they said
themselves that they had a problem to test the efficacy of the antibodies because they had neither
animal housing nor did they have the virus to test whether the antibodies were
efficacious so what they did was they had a cell culture system with complete nonsense day
complete nonsense and the results that they also presented in their own book
okay the book would tell anyone any politician that there was
they had no results they had negative results so what they did was they took cell cultures
cell cultures j in one little culture well there were 500 no 50 000 cells okay
Then they poured a pseudovirus, not the real virus, which they did not have, a reporter
pseudovirus with a reporter gene, luciferase, on the cells.
It is all written down.
And then they took another well and looked to see how many cells they could infect or
transfect with this pseudovirus.
It wasn't a real virus at all.
And then they found out that they had a 90% reduction of infection.
However, if you look at the numbers, which you can read in their autobiography, what
did they find?
They found out that in the control without the antibodies, they infected 1% of the cells.
They lit up green.
And the green fluorescence was so weak that they had problems measuring.
It was less than, it was background.
Okay?
Absolute background.
And if they incubated the pseudovirus with their anti-serum, they weren't even isolated
antibodies.
It was a raw serum from the mice that they had vaccinated.
The numbers dropped down to 0.1%.
So of the 50,000 cells, they would get 500 in the control.
500 of 50,000 were pseudo infected with the pseudovirus.
And if they put in the pre-incubated with the anti-serum, they got 50.
And it was so difficult to measure the difference that they had to install very expensive, the
most expensive instruments to measure this weak, tiny fluorescence difference.
And with those data, they went to the Paul Ehrlich Institute and showed them the 90%
efficacy, okay, established with a non, it was a method that can't be used.
It's not been used.
Okay?
In vaccine science or technology.
It's stupid.
And the Paul Ehrlich Institute under so-called Professor Kitrutec, who is a chemist and has
been bought by all these guys in the background, all in America, he said, okay, guys, go ahead.
And that was the testing that they had done.
And the Robert Koch Institute knew this on the 20th of February and knew that these vaccines
were coming.
Now to top this, guys, the sentence under that sentence says, reads, okay, relevant
data will first be assessed or collected post marketing in humans, meaning that they had
no relevant data on efficacy and safety.
And meaning that the world population was going to be used as experimental animals.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But it's now it's black and white, and it's there for you.
And any lawyers can use this.
Yes.
So it's very important what you're saying.
Can I just clarify?
Are you saying that the Robert Koch Institute, no less with its history, you know, previously,
was creating or finishing off a business plan in April 2020?
Yes.
Yeah.
It's fraud.
And it's a racket.
And a racket can be attacked in America, which is why I encourage you.
Five US states have filed criminal complaints against Pfizer.
They can use this document.
Now I just want to say to Senator Johnson, because I think it's very important he hears
this from somebody that in my opinion, Sukrit Bhakdi and JJ are the people to listen to
Senator Johnson and about Sukrit Bhakdi in particular, because he came up with the brilliant
line or he noticed.
So he's a doctor and a scientist, a medical doctor and a scientist.
And he came up in at the end of the wonderful book, which gave me hope in November 2020,
I think it was Corona, false alarm.
You said, Sukrit, this is the end of the age of the enlightenment, the end of the age of
enlightenment.
And I thought that sums it up for me.
And people were talking about this and that.
But the big picture was that this was tyranny.
And you pointed that out at the end of your book.
I think it was at the end of your book, false alarm.
And so you could see the big picture very clearly then.
Yes.
Sukrit, Ron's got his hand up.
While we got Ron, he's on a tight time frame.
Ron, can you go?
Ron?
Well, first of all, I appreciate being invited to this.
I frequently am, but rarely have a chance to listen to these things.
My role throughout this process has been trying to seek the truth.
It's just that simple.
Provide the platform and be the lay person that can try and translate what you doctors
are saying into something that the public can understand.
And Dr. Bhakti, I mean, I agree with you that I've been in contact with JJ in the past.
I think he's brilliant.
Been in contact with Mike Eden.
It's the reason I didn't get a vaccine.
I talked to Mike Eden.
I know.
So you just said, I can use this.
I don't know how to use this.
OK.
And let me just finish.
And so what I've been praying for, what I've been hoping for, before my last
Senate event, I think December of probably 2023, 2022, I assembled all these doctors.
And so I'm going to, you know, JJ is not real fond of anymore.
That's fine.
And I was hoping in a day's session before we put our event, I could be brought up to
speed.
OK, where are we with all the science?
Where are we in terms of information from the Koch Institute or from different health
agencies around the world?
What is frustrating to me is I keep telling these doctors, these events, you're like years
ahead of where the public is.
And we need to develop a foundational base of information to bring the public along to
where we are.
OK.
And a lot of people are, you know, I know Mike Eden, you know, he has his conclusions.
I've got an open mind.
I don't know.
The thing JJ said is I don't know what happened.
I don't know who they are.
But I mean, that's the mystery we're all trying to solve.
But listen, I am a sponge for information.
I'm looking for the best studies, the best piece of information.
I know it's coming in from all over the world.
You know, I'm happy to assemble that.
Hopefully, I'll end on this note.
Hopefully, if we get the majority in this next election, I'll be chairman of the permit
subcommittee investigation.
There's nobody else in the United States Senate or Congress are looking at this.
I mean, what the House did, those hearings, the only thing they're missing was a banner
said brought to you by Pfizer.
So I want to use that committee.
But I need the information.
I keep asking.
I want new faces.
Yes, Senator, listen, I've been following you and I would say chapeau to you.
I respect you tremendously.
And I see what you're doing is great.
It's historic.
Now, let me tell you what I am trying to trigger in Germany and in Austria and in Switzerland.
I am trying to trigger politicians to establish parliamentary committees of inquiry.
And the only question they have to investigate is the lawfulness of the vaccine authorization.
That simple question can be answered in very few hours before it can be proven that the
lawfulness did not exist.
Therefore, these vaccines are unlawful and therefore they must be stopped.
So, Dr. Bakhti, let me tell you the problem we run into is people literally don't
want to know.
I held another event on American health nutrition, a second opinion.
OK, with what?
And I think as Dr. Chris Palmer said, they don't want to know the root cause to chronic
illness. So that is the resistance we're getting.
They don't want to know.
And the result of that, let me finish the result of that public hearing.
I just got a letter today signed by something like 270 different ag cultural interests,
different state ag department, just to the to the Ag Culture Committee chairman and ranking
member saying how much we need these pesticides and stuff.
So what we are up against is massive.
And there's just there's just a few voices out here.
I mean, look at how many people are on this call.
No, we are. We are a small minority.
And we've got to figure out what is what are the truths that are understandable by the
public that will break through to create public pressure to get these things changed and
get it now.
So Johnson, the reason they don't want to hear you or listen to you is because they're
living in different cults and you and I and Sukrit and JJ are not good cult members.
We're unusual because human beings have a predilection for cults, for joining cults.
Why? Well, because they can then be led around and they don't have to think they don't
want to take responsibility.
Most human beings and people like you and Sukrit and JJ.
Sorry, sorry. I must interrupt.
I really have the need to interrupt.
Sorry, Stephen. I am not talking about a normal investigative committee.
I'm talking about a committee that is established in parliament.
Now, in Germany, we have 15 states, right?
Saxony, you know, Turing and in these states where the AFD has the majority, they can
establish a committee of inquiry.
They don't have to ask anyone.
I know, but they won't.
But they are.
If we get the majority.
OK, that's great.
But they won't do it in Congress unless it's me.
In the US Congress, it will not happen unless it's me.
Can you do this in America to the individual states like Texas or Kansas or Florida?
They have their parliament, don't they?
They have individual legislatures and their different attorneys generals that are going
down this path. But again, they are up against the same resistance.
I'm not saying this is impossible.
I'm just laying out here the problems.
And again, what we need is we need in an understandable fashion to to normal people.
You know, this is what happened.
And again, I think you disagree with JJ that we need our own narrative.
I think we do. We have to be able to tell the story what happened.
And it has to be executable.
And Nick Hudson is exceptionally good at that.
Nick Hudson is good at that.
Yeah, it could be that we that America and Europe have to go different ways.
But the way that I think the Germans can and must take is this installation of
parliamentary committees of inquiries.
And I can tell you, Senator Johnson, that this is going to happen in Saxon, in
Cuny. I talked to them yesterday.
They're doing it.
Didn't Jeremy just drop some study, though, they read about they were going to do
something and they just dropped some inquiry?
No, no, no, no, no. This is all in the making because the A.F.D., the party, the
A.F.D. has just come up and now they have enough members of parliament to cast
this vote that this committee has to be installed.
And that's what they're going to do.
Yeah, by the way, I would also say because these are by and large American
companies, I know BioNTech is German, but because this sprang from America, there's
probably going to be far greater resistance in America than there will be in other
countries where they'd be happy to pile on and criticize and investigate American
companies. So I think the point is that the U.S.
But we're not investigating any company.
The question that is going to be raised that has to be answered by this committee is
the question of the lawfulness of the vaccine authorization.
Not you see nothing else.
But they are the law.
Can I can I just briefly interject?
Yeah, JJ. So JJ, please.
It's really important to realize that in America we're on our own trap because we
have our own laws and our own constitution.
Yeah, that may be America.
What enabled this to happen was a number of laws.
I'm not an expert on it, but the Prep Act is one.
And what happens in the Prep Act is very simple to explain, but only in the context
of American law.
If the if a fundamental right in America is to be suspended, the government is not
assumed to be right.
The government is assumed to be wrong.
In other words, it's not presumed innocent until proven guilty if the government's going
to take away a fundamental right.
And that has been established as a very, very firm thing within American law.
And so the Prep Act allows them to to suspend a number of rights, including probably the
Seventh Amendment and probably something other than another amendment.
And that suspension of rights is only subject to a non-elected officials whim called the
rational basis review, which is basically if he has a hypothetical reason, he can do it.
And that's not sufficient in the context of American law to justify the suspension of
a fundamental right.
And what's pretty shocking is that all the lawyers that have been on our side for like
10 years on the vaccine schedule haven't managed to get this argument together.
And I have and I'm not a lawyer.
So that's the trick, because those words don't mean Jack and all in Canada.
They don't mean Jack in Australia.
And so our traps are all different.
We have to know the beast we're fighting, but each one of us is in a separate cage.
OK, OK, Jay.
I mean, I have no insight in the American situation.
I'm just telling you what we're trying to trigger in Germany and in Austria.
The same thing is happening in Austria.
There's going to be a parliamentary committee of inquiry.
I think that's why it's really important, because one country might find that they have
a law that makes it very easy for them to punish.
And if they can, then that might set the set the momentum in motion.
That's my point is different countries may have different levels of success to expose
this. But I'm not arguing with anybody here.
I've been trying to get more and more people to cooperate from different points of view,
different conclusions.
You know, it's you know, in the end, truth is truth.
And that's what we need to uncover here.
So I'm just looking for more people to help uncover and expose the truth, recognizing
how difficult that is.
Yeah, so I think it's very important to point out that a lot of people in doctors and
experts in inverted commas and scientists, even on our side, are very good at creating
finding information.
But they're very bad, in my experience running this group at joining the dots.
The information that they have and other people have, they don't know about other people's
information. They just want to talk about their information.
We need the dot joiners.
It's very important that we've got the dot joiners.
And that's why we haven't made any progress with the true narrative.
The narrative that human beings are can get closest to the truth.
I'm not saying we can get to the whole truth, but obviously we can't solve a problem if
we don't know what the truth is. If we don't, if we can't articulate to other human
beings what the truth is, what we think the truth is, with good intentions, and we're
doing our best to find out the truth and change our opinions all the time, hypothesize
when necessary as a good medical doctor should, then we're not going to win this.
We need to get a narrative out.
I've been saying it for a long time, but nobody else can see it.
JJ can see it now.
Yeah, Stephen, listen, I am not here to argue with you about what you should do or what
I should do.
I'm not arguing, Sukrit.
I'm just telling you that the Robert Coughfiles have exposed themselves and you don't
have to look for the truth.
The truth is staring at you in the eyes.
Now, let me tell you.
Sorry, can you send me those pages?
Send me this information.
In German, yes.
I can tell you, Senator, when this came out in June, this June, it was so important that
I sat down and extended my autobiography.
I've written a book out in German since last year.
And the new edition is going to appear in two weeks, and it is also going to appear
in 40 languages, including English.
OK.
And in those last 15 pages, I laid out why the time has now come for the world to act,
because you have the instrument in your hands with which you can stop this whole mass
criminality, the whole vaccine program can be brought to a fall.
You just have to want to do it.
And exactly, Sukrit.
Yes.
And so the book is going to be out.
It's going to be out in two weeks.
And the title is The Way of Truth.
OK. And it's my autobiography.
And I tell the whole story of COVID there very easily told.
And I end with the Robert Koch files with this page 725 and the statements that they
have written down and that are open for the whole world to see that the world has been
subject to a mass human experiment.
Absolutely.
I don't I have no more to say because it's all written down.
And not by us, but by those guys themselves.
This is the wonderful thing about it.
It's a good thing.
But it was not just about the vaccine.
So you're a medical doctor and I'm a medical doctor.
So medical doctors, if they're good, they should be hypothesizing on behalf of the human
species, thinking of their patients and humanity in general.
What happened in 2020 was obviously wrong.
It wasn't partially wrong.
It was completely wrong.
It was a fact.
It was a fact of life.
Hang on a minute. So you said tonight that we don't have to prove it was wrong.
They have to prove that it was actually justified.
It wasn't justified.
Human beings are very social animals.
They have incredible even habits and they were robbed of their habits and they were
robbed of their souls.
They were robbed of their souls and the will to live.
They lost the will to live.
Many human beings and that's not talked about by any medical doctors in the world.
No, I mean, we agreed on all points, Stephen, but I am trying to find out how to stop the
WHO and its vaccination program.
Everything else doesn't really interest me.
It does not interest me.
The WHO are evil, but the reason they need to go is because they're not needed because
pandemics are not possible.
That's why they need to go.
Look, this is beside the point.
How do we stop this vaccination program?
That's the only thing I'm interested in.
The only thing, because as you know, it's exploding now.
And if we don't think about a way to stop it, I'm not going to go into discussions with
anyone. There's nothing to discuss.
There's nothing to discuss.
Succulent. Well, we've got Joe here.
We've got one other scientist here who's got his hand up and that's David Rasnik.
Ron, have you had dealings with David Rasnik?
Charles, I'm concerned that JJ hasn't had a chance to...
Well, he did speak at the beginning, but he hasn't had a chance to...
David Rasnik has to say, then we go to Jay.
David.
Oh, hi.
Yeah, very, very interesting.
The reason I put my hand up is that I have 40 years experience facing what most everybody
here has been facing for five years.
I knew as I knew as early as February of 2020 that every aspect of what we're talking about
today was...
There was no way that I could explain to anybody why that was, because it took what you're
experiencing right now, what you're all going through and facing, what you understand, how
do you convey useful information to other people?
That's what happened with the AIDS stuff back in the 80s and 90s.
Absolutely.
A subset of us around the world, it has nothing to do with science.
You see, the key of it is it's not medical, it's not anything.
It's a pack of lies.
And how do you get away?
How do you approach people without having to go through all this techno babble?
That's absolutely David.
It's not going to work with COVID.
Yes, that's why I don't want to get involved in this.
I agree with you.
You've got to take a non-technical approach.
Stay away from it. We all understand it.
We cannot educate and bring people to this awareness in any reasonable time.
I want this to go through Parliament.
Well, that sounds a bit defeatist, David.
Hang on, David.
I would just make the argument that where my hope lies, and it might be just nonsense,
but where my hope lies is that there are thousands of academic professional
biologists in universities, labs and in pharmaceutical laboratories
that have the requisite biological background to hear the words
RNA cannot pandemic and have a like, what does that mean?
They also can hear the words intramuscular injection of any combination of substances
with the intent of augmenting my kid's immune system is dumb.
And then they could think about it.
They could think about what do I really know about immunology?
And if they asked those questions to me, I could go on for hours about how the immune
system is organized from the inside out.
And the original idea of vaccination has always been to perturb the barrier at the
in the direction that the the immune system is oriented.
If somebody wanted to ask me, but how did they use PCR to lie?
I can explain to an academic biologist all the ways that they use PCR to be hyperacurate,
to get a publication in nature and how none of those optimizations were used in any
diagnostics. So there are questions that need to be asked.
And I think there are people with professional backgrounds that will propel them to ask
the right questions if we can just stimulate them to think about them.
That's why I think technical.
Yes, you're not going to get a gas station attendant to understand it, but there are
thousands of academics around the world that ought to be able to figure this out.
But a real quick response back in the 80s, 80s and 90s, it wasn't just Peter Duesberg,
me and a handful of other scientists.
The people at UCSF did the people at UC Berkeley did and they knew it, but they kept
their mouths shut.
I get it. I get it.
But we have we have we have social media now.
We have 40 different military platforms that people are logged into.
And in those 40 military platforms didn't exist when you were trying to get the truth
out about AIDS. They already knew the scientists knew it, but they kept their mouth
shut. I knew these people.
So David, hold that thought quite right.
Nick's got his hand up.
But David, the difference this time is many, many millions of people, many billions,
maybe have suffered greatly and they don't even know a lot of them how much they've
suffered because they're in Stockholm Syndrome.
They're in Stockholm Syndrome.
That's a nice distinction.
Nick. Yeah, just just quickly, thank you.
It's been a great discussion.
It's been a long time since I met anybody sensible who thinks that there was a pandemic
and that's progress and well done to a lot of you for promoting that that version of
events. I think that if we are in the business of trying to discover the truth, then one
of the things we need to do is take a good hard look at the most censored topics.
And it's so interesting that such a lead in with the RKI files because there are two
topics closely related to those which are among the most censored that we can't get
people to go and face.
And the one is the the important role that Germany played, let's say, in in the whole
story. If you if you are one of the proponents of the view that Germany had a central role
instead of the false dichotomy of D.O.D. or China, then you will be severely censored
on social media. If you point out to that, biotech is the item of interest and not Pfizer.
And if you insist on people naming the correct culprit in the biggest fraud of them all,
you will be censored.
Those are two German related stories.
But but more importantly than both of those, I would say is we we we have a situation
where. If you step out and say what JJ said, that that an injection is incompatible
with developing an immune response, you're absolutely you will be frozen to death.
The the idea that so Nick, just hold it.
We say goodbye to Nick. We say goodbye to Jay because he has to go and you keep going, Nick.
So, Jay, thank you so much.
Yes, I am. Great work you're doing and being provocative.
I'm sorry I have to leave.
I'm often in the audience as an iPhone, but I'm here and thank you very much for all of
your attention. I really appreciate it.
Sukrit, you're one of my heroes, man.
I don't know what to say. I wouldn't have made it.
You're one of ours.
Bye bye.
Thanks, Jay.
So, JJ, we'll try and set up another meeting because I think it's very good to talk like
this.
I also have to interrupt.
I have to leave as well, but I want to stay connected.
OK, I mean, I came on because JJ and Dr.
Bakken was on.
So I need more information.
So keep me keep inviting me.
OK, thank you so much.
Thank you.
All right. OK, so, Nick, keep going because we've got we're recording this and then Ron's
staff can look at it and all of us can really look at it and think through.
Keep going, Nick.
OK, and then the other point I was leading up to just in the context of suppressed
narratives, you know, from the International COVID Summit 2 till about I think it was 4
I was I was a participant and speaker and I got to know several of the salient individuals
there, including Robert Malone.
And things came unstuck there for me when it came to ICS 5.
And by then I was on like it wasn't ever really formalized, but there was sort of a
committee that would meet and talk about the speaker's roster.
And I said, look, at the moment, if if we're not all agreeing that COVID was a political
and not a medical event, then I think we're wasting our time.
And what disturbed me about ICS 4 in Romania is that all the people who were there to
deposit a political message were relegated to the arse end of the the two day session
in favor of absolutely bizarre topics like how to use barometric treatment modalities
to treat long COVID.
You know, does the world really need to hear that?
But yes, apparently, according to ICS 4, it did.
And so the speakers who had something to say about COVID as a political phenomenon
were crammed into the last few minutes when the hall was empty.
The videos were an absolute mess.
And so I got up there, I said, I'm not coming again unless we all agree that if we're
discussing a political phenomenon, the majority of the speakers ought to be people of a
political inclination.
Absolutely. Yeah.
At that point, I got thrown out of the whole story.
Yeah, exactly. So I locked me and cut off all communications after two years, including
trips together and lots of interaction.
I was completely frozen out.
And that goes back to my original point.
Concentrate on the narratives that are suppressed.
And these are the narratives that are absolutely very good, Nick.
So, Nick, I was in contact with the two people I knew.
One was American.
I won't say the name, but one was Italian and he was willing to listen to me.
I told him that I see one in my opinion.
They had the wrong speakers there.
I won't say which ones were wrong.
And so I had them interested for a while, but the female was a bit mysterious.
You know, she kept her cards close to her chest, the one in America.
Yes, the one with the interesting answer.
Nick, I'll just tell the truth now.
She was trying to persuade me that we needed to have Robert Malone heavily involved.
And I said, no, I think that Robert Malone, I don't have anything against him.
But I don't think he's the one with the answers.
I think he has too much influence over your choices in ICS-1 or had.
And guess what happened?
They disappeared.
And that was after about five.
And so they were both going to listen to me.
So I think it was his cousin, the Italian guy.
It was his American cousin.
And essentially, I could not get the speakers I wanted on ICS-2, or they wouldn't even
consider them if Malone wasn't included.
Yeah, there's a very strong element of sustaining the pandemic narrative in the ICS community.
And to that extent, I believe the whole operation is essentially flawed.
It's leading people astray.
There was no pandemic.
It's very important to understand that.
And just the, Sukrit, what you're proposing in Australia, there was a major push to have
a Senate inquiry on the whole, just on a simple number of excess deaths.
It got through by one vote.
All of the submissions that were filed were ignored by the Senate.
It was a very short hearing and the fix is on.
However, however, in Australia, last Friday, a local municipality passed a resolution that
I'm sure many of you have seen the Port Headland Council, you know, and they've announced that
they're taking these steps.
And already the state government is saying to the Port Headland Council, keep your nose
out of this stuff.
There's a lot to be said for Sukrit.
For what you're saying, Ron says, I can't do it at the top.
Yes, but we can take your advice, your comments, Sukrit, at the bottom at local municipalities.
And there are people on this call doing it at a county level, county by county in California.
Julie Threat is doing that with Ron Owens.
OK, good.
Yeah, sure.
Good.
So Nick, Nick Hudson, I don't think it was just political either.
I think it was a deliberate Trojan horse to push global totalitarianism.
That's what Covid was.
It was a Trojan horse amongst many Trojan horses, but arguably the most important Trojan
horse because pandemics, in inverted commas, have the power to frighten people as they
did. And including doctors.
And Sukrit, on David Rasnik's point, and Nick, you know, Stephen said, and there are
many thousands of academics now, David, it didn't happen in the 80s.
All right. The gift of Covid has been a large awakening, Sukrit.
Is that your sense, Nick?
You know, many more academics and scientists are awake now than they were in the 80s.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, we're looking at tens of thousands.
You know what happened in Tokyo, what was it, two weeks ago?
This mass demonstration of 50,000 people and led by top scientists, Japanese scientists.
So it's not as if no one is standing up.
Many, many thousands of doctors, physicians and scientists are fully awake and aware.
And that's why I think, as I say, the time has really now come for these official
parliamentary committees to be set up because they will invite, you know, the experts to
come and talk in front of parliament.
This happens in front of parliament, not on the streets, not in any theatres anywhere,
but in the parliaments.
And these sessions are recorded and have to be recorded.
And they get out into the media.
They always do.
So I'm placing my hopes in this.
And I'm really talking to the top politicians.
And they have told me that this is now, they've already done it.
The committees are being set up now, as I said, in Saxony, in Thuringen and in Brandenburg.
So Senator Johnson seemed to think that the same as I thought that something in Germany
changed in this last week, Socrates.
So there was something that they were investigating.
Maybe it was a false story.
So he seemed to know exactly the same as I seemed.
I can't quite remember which...
They decided not to have an investigation into the policy response.
Who did?
The federal government or the...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it was the federal government.
But the federal government, of course, is not so important.
It's the state government.
You know, this is a federal state.
So each state has its own parliament.
Now, the federal government in Berlin is ruled, of course, by the other side.
But it is only in East Germany, in the former East German states, that the AFD and the other
party, Sarah Wagenknecht, have now risen to power.
OK, this happened in September.
And now for the first time, they are able to install these committees themselves for their
own states.
So these committees will only be operating for Turingen and Saxony.
But one state in Germany is extremely important.
Absolutely.
Because if they come to a conclusion in one state, like in Saxony, the other states will ask, well,
now, what about us?
OK, sure.
Yeah, like a precedent.
So you're not so interested.
You're sorry.
You're not so disappointed that the federal government has just...
No, no, no, that was clear.
OK, yeah, I understand.
But I think that's what Senator Johnston had heard, you see.
So that is meaningless.
Yeah, very good.
We all know that.
David?
And the other country where the really federal government is going to install a committee of
inquiries is Austria.
Because in Austria, this FPO or FPO has won the majority.
And the number of seats that they have suffice for them as a party alone to install a
committee. And they're going to do it.
It's going to happen, I think, in November.
But we've had a public inquiry in the United Kingdom, and clearly the chair of the inquiry
thinks that her job is to warn the British public that they were terribly treated by the British
government. Every man, woman and child suffered at the hands of the British government, I think
were her exact words, but may have gotten slightly wrong.
And her perception was that in the next pandemic, they have to do much better.
In other words, lock people down earlier and harder.
What's happening in Germany and Austria is not a public inquiry.
It's not a public inquiry.
It is. There will be a parliamentary committee.
You know, this committee is going to be installed by the politicians themselves.
And since the AFD have the majority, the committee will be composed mainly of them.
OK. And they all want to have this question settled.
That's what I've been telling you.
Have just one question settled.
Was the vaccine authorization process in Germany lawful?
And the simple answer will be no.
Yes, of course it wasn't lawful.
And once that's been established, it'll open the floodgates for what else was not lawful.
No, I don't really care.
But the moment that happens, the vaccine's authorization is invalid
and therefore they will not be able to apply them.
I understand.
Yeah.
Not only this vaccine, but all RNA vaccines.
You know, the RSV vaccine is out now and the flu vaccine is out now.
And the shingles.
The moment the judgment is passed, that the authorization process was not lawful,
then there was no authorization.
Right?
Correct.
And Succo, we've got David's hand is up.
We've had Angus Del Gleeshe coming on a tour of Australia in the last week.
And that's his message.
He's coming out hard and has been going around the world.
No more mRNA jabs.
So that's also building on that.
David.
Yeah, I just want to say that I think we scientists, our job is to learn what's going on.
We don't have time and the other people aren't going to understand the technical stuff.
We have to just come out en masse and say it's a fraud.
Yes, I agree with you, David.
It's dangerous.
It's a fraud.
And the more of us that say it, OK, if they ask us, how do you know?
I'll be happy to tell them.
But we have to start out with something they understand.
OK, what's a fraud?
It's dangerous.
It's going to kill you.
How has your life been?
You know, well, you get the idea.
The idea is to convince people of the technical stuff.
Come out as scientists, as professionals and say what we know.
It's a fraud.
Sure.
And David, you're absolutely right.
In the UK now, I can say that to people.
I get their attention.
They say, well, how do you know that?
You know, and I say, well, all this usual stuff, you know, and they really listen now.
Two years ago, they didn't.
But not all of them listen now.
A lot of them want to do this.
You can see that they want to put their hands over their ears so they don't hear anything more,
which disturbs their minds.
I mean, I feel sorry for them.
But on the on the other hand, these people are keeping us in prison and ruining our lives.
And everybody else's lives.
People who are terrified.
That's that's all in prison.
That's very good.
It's a clear message.
And what Ron Johnson wants to be able to say is what what how does he use this information?
We've got offers.
We'll share those offers now.
We've got a lot of hands up.
Nick and Sukrit and Stephen and David.
So shall we go to them?
We've got less than an hour to go.
Sukrit, you OK for questions?
How are you placed?
Sukrit, are you OK?
No, I have no questions.
No, no, sorry.
No.
Are you OK to answer questions?
Sure.
But I don't know what they have now, actually.
No, no, we'll just whatever time you got.
Half an hour.
Let's let's get into the half an hour.
OK, wait, half an hour, Charles.
Great.
OK, let's go.
And I think who had his first?
I think Anders, you had your hand up first.
We'll go Anders, then John.
So go Anders and make the make the questions.
Can you ask the questions in in two minutes?
That should be enough.
Yeah.
OK.
So I think the problem is still ongoing and it's not just mRNA.
The latest any flu shots, the dentist,
anything you do, it's full of the same, which is not really mRNA.
It is magnetic injections or nanomaterials.
This is a major issue.
The historical issue is that it was a fraud.
Robert Corky defined the protocol.
And basically there has never been any evidence
of any virus, according to Robert Corky protocol.
So this has been pushed for 120 years and people still most people believe
they need to take any vaccination because there is a claimed virus
which does not exist, according to scientific method.
So this is one problem.
The second problem is that for 170 years, people have been polluted
with radiology, with electromagnetic frequencies,
which has increased a million times or more the last 25 years.
And this radiology gives
recently digital pulses into the humans, into the magnetic material,
which causes another antenna in the body,
which is then causing the harm to a big extent.
And this is the main problem, in my opinion, that you have this mechanism
not just from the injection, but also from the radiation.
Injections, but now from the chemtrails, from the polluted food,
water, milk, anything.
And this is the GM.
It is the pesticide.
It is the water.
And this is the whole program.
It's a total extermination program.
I assess now.
Now the question.
Yeah, this is the problem of fraud in science.
And people don't realize this.
And I will just ask, can you please look into this,
Dr.
Surek Bhakhti, because this is the wider context of the problem.
Well, if I may just briefly answer, all of this is overwhelming me.
You know, my capacity is limited simply.
And I have to focus my energy on subjects that I think I can handle.
Now, everything that you say may well be true, and I'm afraid they are true,
but I do not have the capacity to enter into these fields.
I hope you realize this.
I'm, you know, I'm retired.
We have a little family to take care of.
And this Corona business has been supping my energy for four and a half years now.
So I think this has to be left over to other people like you and others
who are in on the subject.
Very good.
Yeah.
And Anders is fighting the good fight.
So he will continue as will Mark Steele as will others.
So Sukrit, thank you for that response.
Nick, is there anything you want to say on Anders' proposition on the whole question of 5G
and the impact of the injections plus the 5G EMRs and the like?
So, are you talking to us, Nick?
Yes.
Yes, Nick.
Oh, sorry.
If you want to make a comment, just put your hand up.
We'll just keep going to the questions, okay?
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you have one short comment on the radiation story?
I think it's a very interesting area and I'm certainly receptive to opinions.
But the one thing I would point out is that dose response is largely ignored by the most ardent activists in this field.
And I think they do so to tremendous harm to their arguments.
It's, to talk about a million-fold increase, for example.
Yeah, I can imagine that the total volume of waves being pumped out has gone up by a million-fold.
But there's this notion of nonlinear dose response, which is just universal.
Water has a nonlinear dose response.
COVID vaccines have a nonlinear dose response.
Everything you can imagine has a nonlinear dose response.
There's a range during which it's potentially helpful and then a range at which it gets very dangerous.
If you sleep with a 5G transmitter next to your bed, it's almost certainly harmful.
But people get a bit too doctrinaire in the absence of robust, not just robust studies, but even robust explanations for how this harm would take place.
So I'm receptive, but I'm not going down the rabbit hole with any venom and force.
Correct.
Because I don't think the answers have been delivered.
Absolutely right, Nick.
That's what I tried to do as well, but I'm not as successful as you.
But I've realized in this group tonight, I can see a little team that we can assemble around Ron Johnson, because he was more or less asking for that.
And I'll contact you after the meeting.
So, but I don't want to say who, but I think I can see a team forming.
And I hope that Sukrit, you don't want to be part of the team.
It sounds like Sukrit, but maybe you can be our executive advisor or whatever you want to call it.
Or we can appoint you to Ron Johnson as his executive advisor.
As long as I don't have to do too much.
Well said.
All right.
Let's keep going.
The question is John Lukacs and then Julie.
Look, we got a John and a Julie and a Jim.
Gosh.
I had a question for Ron Johnson.
I had a question for JJ and they're both gone.
Dr.
Bhakdi, I'll throw this at you just to see if you have an opinion.
So if you listen to JJ's last presentation, he brought up this whole new angle here about pure oxygen.
60 liters per minute causing harm.
I have yet to hear anybody explain this to me.
How does, where does that leave hyperbaric oxygen as a therapy?
It, are we harming ourselves with that?
I mean, let me just say before you answer.
I've gotten into one of those tanks once for about an hour, but I don't know what was being administered.
I know it was oxygen.
I know it was concentrated.
I know it was a couple of atmospheres.
That's all I know.
I don't know how much I got.
I felt great afterwards.
Do we need to back away from that?
No, listen, I'm not a pulmonologist.
All right.
I just want to say one thing.
There is no general answer to such a question because hyperbaric oxygen is indicated in certain diseases and illnesses, but certainly not in people with
respiratory diseases like COVID.
And there Jay is completely right.
If you administer something that is potentially toxic and dangerous to the wrong patients, you kill them.
And it's been known all the time that this hyperbaric oxygen therapy for so-called COVID patients was a mistake.
What's the wrong indication?
Maybe I've got this mixed up, but it seems like he was...
Correct me somebody if I misheard this, but I thought he was saying that this was the first cause, not the second cause.
And I may have that wrong.
Yeah, it's not hyperbaric.
It's high flow.
It's a distinction.
High flow oxygen is administered through a nasal cannula.
Hyperbaric oxygen is administered at pressure in a unit designed to layer on pressure beyond normal atmospheric pressure.
They're two very different types of treatment.
Thank you for that clarification, Nick.
So the hyperbaric oxygen is administered to Djokovic, John.
Nick, I think that in Germany they were using hyperbaric.
They were intubated and they pumped the oxygen in.
Okay.
Yes, so there may have been slight positive pressure, but it's not the same as getting into a pressure vessel and going up to like diving,
diving, they dive pressures of oxygen and I think...
And ventilated.
Yes, so under ventilator...
with ventilators or prior to ventilation, that's the problem.
They would put these patients on nasal cannulas administering almost pure oxygen.
In Germany, they were immediately intubated.
Yes.
Yeah, I'm aware that that happened in places...
In America, though.
Yeah.
In Germany, definitely.
Yeah.
But do you remember there was that Dr.
Carl Sadell who came out and blew open the tragedy of the ventilators and said what we should be doing is high flow nasal oxygen.
And that was a mistake because what happened was the high flow nasal oxygen took perfectly healthy people and did lung damage and then they put them on ventilators.
So that was actually a core part of the scam.
And JJ speaks very clearly on this and has read the enormous literature showing that this this type of treatment is devastating and to be avoided.
But it became standard in a large number of countries including South Africa.
Yeah.
So he was right.
Who?
JJ?
Yes, JJ was right.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I have nothing more to add.
Okay, on we go.
Julie.
Hi you guys.
Hi everybody.
Hi Sukrit.
I wanted to give you maybe a little bit of hope and I can hear it in your voice and we're all kind of just exhausted.
I mean God has almost been four years, five years.
So yeah, so Ron and I are fighting at the county level here in California.
We were at Calusa County this morning and it was probably the most positive reaction I've had from supervisors, right?
And I think Ron would agree.
And what I asked of them was look, you've got it's a small county.
It's 22,000 people.
So probably of that county 12,000 are vaccinated.
Hey listen, why don't you send a letter to your entire county and ask them how their health condition is today?
They know who's vaccinated.
They've got their address and their names in the immunization database.
So it's very simple to send them a letter or just send the vaccinated a letter and say, hey, we know you were vaccinated.
We've heard that there's some potential issues.
What is your health like today?
Is it good?
Is it better?
Is it indifferent and maybe the person's dead, etc.
So I think if we start at those county levels and I'm going to send Ron a message about that because you know, he can look at Wisconsin, right?
And go look, Wisconsin's got like, I don't know, 3.9 million people of which 75% are vaccinated.
Send those people a letter and we're the clinical trial of vaccinated people.
How do you study us?
Send us a freaking letter and ask us is your health better, worse, etc.
Did you follow Bears report that kind of thing?
I know it costs money, but that's just a simple idea.
But yeah, this this Calusa County, they defied the lockdowns.
They defied Gavin Newsom and said, no, we're not locking down.
So these supervisors are probably the bravest, most patriotic freedom fighters that I've faced so far.
So they were pretty impressed.
We gave them a lot of material in their hands.
And so we're hoping that they'll follow up with us and we'll get their sheriff involved.
My second point is Moderna.
I don't know why we're not going after Moderna.
Moderna is an American company.
It's the one that was created.
The phone bandzell is the CEO French guy who worked for this bio Miro that helped build the lab in Wuhan.
I don't know why we don't have bands out in front of Congress and hold Moderna whose manufacturing facilities are in America
and focus on Moderna and not this beast of Pfizer.
Number three, I put the 9 second clip of Javier Becerra.
So HHS secretary Javier Becerra, the highest level man over the CDC FDA, CMS, NIH.
He's got nine seconds on a YouTube video at the White House briefing saying that the vaccines are killing blacks at two times the rate of whites.
If Ron Johnson takes that nine second clip and blasts it in a congressional hearing, go on the floor and blast this nine second clip and call out Javier Becerra and take him to task.
To me, that would be another big opportunity that he can move forward on.
And then just last, you know, Americans for Health Freedom dot org.
That's Dr. Mary Talley-Bodin.
There's a few hundred other candidates and elected officials that are trying really hard.
I just don't think they can see the forest through the trees.
And so, yeah, if we get anything together with Ron Johnson, being a vaccine injured person working in these clinics,
I have a ton of ideas and a ton of information on how things were administered and stored and the problems.
And I think I can give him a lot of ideas.
But so great. We're trying. And I think together we will get through this.
My only other question for you. I asked it last time.
How's the how's the King of Thailand's daughter?
She's the one that was vaccine injured. Thank you.
Well, there is no answer to the last.
I I I I'm afraid that she is not amongst us.
You know that he also has a son who has a turbo cancer.
A doctor in America.
Wow. So great. Also vaccinated the sun.
Yes. Yes. Of course, they all vaccinated.
So, Julie, the question that Sukrit is asking us to look at and you might put it on the agenda is to get the county supervisors.
I think there are 57 counties in California.
Is that correct? Yeah, 58. 58.
So what is what was the lawfulness of the Vax authorizations in the county?
Just keep asking that question.
What was that to the each each because Sukrit Julie and Ron Owens are going to these counties.
Investigate the lawfulness of the of the Vax authorizations.
Yeah, you know, the big thing for them, it's the money, right?
So the counties were paid money to administer these shots and they got immunization assistance money.
So my county, they don't they don't operate up any authority.
They point to the state, right?
It's the CDPH.
This is state that got the authorization, but because they got money, they're scared that if they, you know,
defy the state that they'll have to pay the money.
It's just ridiculous.
It's stupid. But there was no authority at the county level, but they can certainly lock it up and stop it.
Our sheriff can go lock up the vials at the Public Health Department where she stores them.
So just it's taking finding brave people, brave sheriff with the brave supervisors and the ones that will want to defy and
push Gavin Newsom and say screw you.
We don't care.
And Shasta County is one, Calusa County is one and we'll see where the others fall out.
Yep.
Well said.
All right.
Thank you, Julie.
Jim.
Thank you very much.
And Dr.
Excuse me.
Senator Johnson asked a really good question.
Why does nobody want to know?
Why does why does nobody in Congress want to know?
And so Dr.
Bhakti, you're the last man standing here and I really appreciate all your efforts from the beginning of this.
The answer to that is they they have no courage.
Well, there may be more than there may be more than more.
They're involved.
They're bored.
And there may be more than that.
For instance, the inquiry as to who killed JFK.
Even Trump was scared to release who killed JFK and we now know that it's an intelligence agents who are involved.
And so that leads us back to the intelligence community involvement with Pfizer as an intelligence operation.
Gilead as an intelligence operation Department of Defense and the former head of Gilead was was Don Rumsfeld before he became Secretary of Defense.
So we know that the Department of Defense is intertwined with the biopharmaceutical medical industry.
The issue is the politicians are selfish and by their very nature, they're always thinking of themselves like many human beings.
In fact, but but they're always thinking and what effect anything they might say might have on their political career and we don't care about their political careers.
They think we do.
We couldn't more than less.
So my question for Dr.
Bhakti is it looks like the source kovatoo spike protein.
There's a getting a lot of press the source kovatoo spike protein and vaccine or virus form seems to be a biological weapon and this biological weapon.
You know, there's a biological weapons convention that was signed by most of the most of the countries.
And except it looks like Israel may not have signed it.
And so the question is really are they the only ones who could have false flag China with this and would there be a and since PNAC
New American Century
document that was written by Victoria Newland's husband.
I put it in the chat earlier.
Says that there may be use for a genetically specific
Agent
doesn't this all fit with the with the Georgia Guidestones that says depopulate the earth down to 500 million
doesn't this look like a biological weapon that has been deployed to genetically specifically take down the
the world in the name of climate change by the people who invented it.
And if so, and the Department of Defense is in on it.
How are we going to stop the Department of Defense teamed up with with various countries?
Including our own government that have agreed on depopulating the earth with the in the model of the Georgia Guidestones that were standing up 90 feet tall in the granite that were just blown up and we don't know who did it.
We don't know who blew it up.
How are we going to stop this.
Well, Jim listen.
Of course, I agree with everything that you say.
I also think that this global agenda has been created by a handful of Devils.
Okay, and it's been carefully planned over decades and now
we are living through
Yeah, well
tyranny tyranny so great
No, not tyranny.
Well nearly
It's the endgame.
Yes.
And the question is
So my only answer to that is that I see no way of stopping it by mass protests because
of many reasons which we will not go into now.
That is why I chose
I have chosen the other way which is through politics.
Now here I would not entirely agree with Stephen.
You say politicians are always greedy
and thinking of their own selfish.
I said so great selfish.
They're selfish and they're not and they're not autistic.
The mass of care about their careers.
Yeah, but you but but there are exceptions.
There are exceptions.
Look at Ron Johnson Ron Johnson.
And and and
thankfully, I'm very thankful for this.
The exceptions in East Germany and in Austria have now come into power.
You see, this is the difference between
these states and America and the rest of the world because they are out to change
things and if things can be changed
by the politicians themselves,
they will if they have the will to do so and there's just been, you know,
Paul asking for the opinion of people in the different parties and
75% of the party that has won the elections in East Germany say what they
want to have an investigation committee set up in Parliament.
And then they're going to do it and the same in Austria.
So it's a different situation.
Stephen, you can't say it's the same situation.
Let's hope they're bright enough to choose the right witnesses.
So great.
You need to tell them which witnesses to listen to.
Well, Stephen, this is not a big secret, but of course I've already been
asked good.
Very good.
Another there's another issue and that is it has to come from bottom
up from local from local municipalities from local communities because the
German government's so great just like the Australian government.
Just like many other countries are given instructions by the globalists.
They're given instructions.
If you don't behave in a particular way, we need to understand that that's
the pressure.
The US also has that same pressure bottom up.
They don't have that control.
But ever charge to see the thing is that these new parties that have now
taken over are not very good.
That's correct.
Not under control.
They have not been bought and they will not be bought.
Yeah, very good.
Well, they soon will be probably so great.
They will not be.
I don't know.
We I just have hope.
Okay.
Well, I have hope but I've lost a bit of faith in human beings.
I know we will be friended.
We got two hands up because the rail stay here.
So great.
We'll let you go after James Rogasky, but Zarael in Switzerland.
Okay.
Good evening, Dr.
Bhakti.
And thank you for taking your time with us this evening.
I would like to just clarify what James what Jim was saying a while ago.
It was Robert Kagan who papered the project for New American New American
Century where they spoke about the cataclysmic changes that the United
States has to go through bar something like Pearl Harbor for them to
change the system in the United States.
But coming back to you certainly back to your your comment of the
the King of Thailand's daughter who died and I'm very sorry and his
son also official statement.
This has not officially been made.
I know but I have been following the story for quite some time.
I did want to know if there was any legal consequences because we did hear
that there was something coming for the for the WHO that there was something
some kind of legal steps being taken.
Can you speak about that?
No, you know, the situation in Thailand is complex.
It is really complex and I will I cannot and do not want to speak about
it at the moment because there's there are huge movements that are
undercover.
Okay, I understand.
I'd like to come back to the to the turbo cancer which you spoke about
also because I have two data.
I have actually data from Switzerland in from 2021 and compared to 2016 17
18 all the way to 2021 in the year 2020 to 2021.
There was an increase of 249% of cancer between the ages of 0 to 14.
Sure.
You have any new information for years 2022 23 and 2024.
Is there any way I don't keep track of the numbers because numbers don't
really interest me.
What interests me is the mechanism how these develop and there
there's very very interesting new data which however, I will not talk about
many paths lead to Rome and many paths lead to cancer in the vaccinated and
they're now being unraveled.
So some extremely exciting data coming out now.
No, the question is is there anywhere to find this data and if so not yet,
it's not been published because I also have from Germany the the the excessive
deaths which was also I mean on the data on the file that I'm looking at.
You can see that it was over well over 150% sure sure sure sure and there's
no doubt at all that the vaccines are doing this.
There is no doubt.
The question is no how how how how to prove it scientifically with which
data and right now very very exciting things are happening really so that
with God's help.
I'm not doing this work.
It's the team, you know around us and they teamed up with Kevin McKernan
the German group our group.
Now really they have already discovered something that is so stunning.
I tell them they should publish this as soon as possible, but they don't want
to publish it until they know all the details and I keep telling them don't go
for the details.
It's enough now.
You know, this data alone the big idea.
Yeah.
No, the data alone is showing something that is so stunning and should be enough
to stop the whole thing when you see the my big worry worry and I've been carrying
this worry around with myself for two years is that so much attention is being
paid to the spike protein and everyone is saying that it's the spike.
It's a bio weapon, you know, and all this what I'm afraid of is that the guys
behind the scenes are going to say, okay, we'll take down the COVID vaccine.
But instead all the other vaccines are going to come through the back door as
they are already doing now and I want to warn the world not to fall for this
ruse and not to give them the chance to step down with the COVID and then come
in with the others.
Correct.
But the others are going to cause exactly the same thing.
Maybe that was why Baric was looking into the spike protein for 30 years because
they wanted to create this story, you know about the spike protein.
It was the COVID was all about the spike protein.
Yes, they could then take it away and then push the others which they introduced
and I said so I was warning people two and a half years ago in Malmo.
I gave this talk and we've had Curtis cost since 1991 warning against injections.
So everybody no fucking injections.
Thank you.
So rail will go on.
We got a little thank you.
So can I just say this Ariel, you know, the project for the new American Century
document you're talking about.
So I was very familiar with people who drafted that, you know,
Yeah, the Shani Rumsfeld a lot of them yet Pearl another
And the line the famous line that you were referring to I think was the project
for the new American Century was saying that all these changes are necessary
for the good of America in the next century.
And so it was the neo cons who are behind this as I understood it.
Yes, and even the Attorney General at the time what whose name was
it's gone.
He was the anonymous as well.
But the famous line you're talking about was that we of course we cannot do this
without including Wars in Afghanistan and other states, you know, we cannot do
this without a Pearl Harbor type event.
Exactly.
Before 9-11 9-11 was that Pearl Harbor type event.
Exactly.
That is that's correct.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Thanks.
Arielle James.
Hey, thank you for all of this information.
Dr.
Bhatti.
I want to ask you a very simple question.
Can you repeat very clearly what your goal is what I heard involve, you know,
the WHO and I've done a little bit of work on the WHO.
And and the question is are you concerned mostly about the mRNA platform
or vaccines in general and I'm here to you know, participate and and
support your efforts.
However, I might I put my contact information in there many times.
Please feel free to have anybody on your team reach out to me.
What very clearly are you concerned about and what is the goal that you
hope to achieve?
You know, what is it exactly that you want to stop?
All right, James listen as everyone here knows this whole war is being
pushed by the DoD and there's the there are three complexes, right?
The military industrial complex with the creation of weapons where different
nations are encouraged to kill each other, fight each other and buy
everything from the Americans.
Then you have the military financial complex where they're going for the
money creating digital currencies so that they can create their own
elitist world and the rest of the world is at their mercy.
And the third is the digital medicinal complex.
I don't see pharmaceutical complex, medicinal complex with which they are
going to take control of the health, the minds and the bodies of the world
population and they need all three legs to stomp on.
If you can sever one leg, this monster will not be able to run anymore with
the speed that it needs.
So my goal is to try to cut the leg of this military medicinal complex.
Now the main instrument that they have are the gene-based vaccines for a
reason that we don't have to go into now.
But the reasons are very clear, very easy to understand and very convincing
because with these so-called vaccines, they can accomplish many things that
many they can kill many flies at the same time.
They can control the world population, perform euniceasier, eugenics,
sterilization and at the same time they can introduce particles into the
body that will act as transmitters.
I believe that they are on the way there.
I don't think it's been done now, but it's going to be done.
And they can choose whom they want to exterminate because it's so easy to
distribute these vials in a controlled fashion.
So they can save themselves and get rid of the others.
All right, this is terrible.
And furthermore, because there is no control over these gene-based
vaccines, especially the RNA is very, very versatile and they can put
into these vials, whatever they want.
And you know, genetic engineering has come a long way now.
So I know that Bill Gates has been interested in life prolongation
medicines, especially for himself.
Okay.
And I know that they are developing agents that theoretically may do this.
Okay.
So the vision they have is for ourselves, we will have these agents
that turn our lives into, you know, paradise for centuries because
we will not die anymore.
Ridiculous.
And well, but they believe in this.
Oh, yes.
No, I mean, they're ridiculous.
Not you, of course.
No, yes, we are ridiculous.
Yes, but of course it won't work.
Of course it won't work, but they believe.
Bill Gates thinks so.
And therefore they have set everything on this horse.
And the WHO declared this openly.
They're going to put everything on an RNA basis.
Furthermore, they're going to start treating the major civil
editorial diseases like coronary heart disease, diabetes, all right,
with new agents that all based on the RNA platform because there's
no legislation anymore.
You have no processes that they have to go through.
Authorization.
They are automatically authorized.
Right.
And that's why I think that this is the Achilles heel that we should,
that I myself, I'm going to aim at.
Stop the RNA vaccines, all of them.
And with that, we have severed that leg, the third leg of it.
Okay.
Have I answered your question?
Yes, you did.
And you know, count me in.
I'm with you all 100%.
I don't know Charles or Stephen, one of you said you had thoughts
of the team by all means, by all means count me in.
James, wonderful.
James Rogowski is an expert on, a self-taught expert on the WHO.
Yes, yes, I know.
Oh, you know who it is.
Okay.
Very good.
All right.
Like our last question to you, Sukrit, before Stephen Glenn says
he's got a 30 second question.
Go for it, Glenn.
Thank you.
Dr.
Bakke, you described something coming along that you think will
be a very positive protocol.
Are you familiar with the Dr.
Peter McCullers well-documented spike protein detox?
And might that be a useful path for people to start with right
now while they wait for whatever coming along from the group
you're working with?
Well, I'm very hesitant about that because I'm not a great
believer in the major role that the spike protein itself has.
All right.
I keep saying guys, listen, quantities play a great role in
biology.
The spike protein itself is certainly a poison.
Okay.
But I don't think there's enough of this poison to cause all
the damage that we see.
What one has to realize is that if an alien protein is produced
by a cell, that cell will become the target of immune attack.
So once by protein by itself sitting on a cell will do
nothing.
But if that one spike protein is attacked by the immune system,
then an explosion occurs.
You see, so the damage done by the immune system magnifies
thousands of folds the damage that one protein can do alone.
And therefore I do not and not really.
I cannot believe that the detoxification protocols can
really work.
I believe in certain things in those protocols, but not all.
Thank you.
Thank you, Glen.
All right, Sukrit.
We know you're tight.
Steven has over to you, Steven, for the last.
You got to go, Sukrit.
I know.
Okay.
So I was going to ask you, Sukrit, one of the problems we seem
to have on amongst the good people on our side is that they
don't understand causation.
And I just wonder whether you could speak about that a little
bit to throw light on why it's so difficult to approve causation.
And also the other thing I would like to ask you.
So as a medical doctor, I think that it's very important that
doctors don't just follow protocols.
In fact, they shouldn't follow any protocols because that
takes away their authenticity.
If you like, it takes away the autonomous doctor who is
serving his patient.
So I think that the evidence-based medicine has led to protocols
and maybe that's why evidence-based medicine was highlighted
because it actually took the power away from autonomous
doctors who had medical ethics working for their patients.
And that was the intention, in my opinion.
So I wonder whether you could speak about those two things.
No, no, just causation, please, because there are other times.
All right.
Listen, causation can be shown if you know where to look for
it.
Okay.
And as I think we discussed this together three years ago,
the way to prove causation was the pathology to look at the
tissues like Virgil did, you know, to find out where there
was something typical and pathognomonic, meaning absolutely
singular and particular for the vaccination.
And four years ago, I said I feared that we would be seeing
lots of clots.
Absolutely.
I remember that.
Yeah, that was four years ago.
And you were dead right.
Yes, but you know, Stephen, I've never been wrong in anything
very important in life.
No.
Because what I said and what I'm saying can be read in the
textbooks of medicine and it's all known.
It's not my discovery.
I was just saying that if the textbooks are right, then there
will be clots forming in all vessels from head to toe.
You won't know where they are, but they're going to be there.
And this is what pathologists have found.
And I also said that there will be quasi-quasi autoimmune
attack on tissues because as I said just 10 minutes ago, any
cell that dares to produce an alien protein is going to come
under immune attack.
And that has also been shown to occur in people who had died
after vaccination.
They see the inflammation, the autoimmune attack in various
tissues from brain, heart, lung to anything you want.
Okay, that is so typical and it does not occur in any other
disease.
So it is caused by the vaccine.
Now, moreover, you can now find the vaccine by immunohistochemical
staining and the spike protein has been found.
Okay, all over the bodies of these guys.
So it's proven that the causality is there.
And now I come to one last thing.
You know that the US National Academy of Sciences, which is
sort of like the Royal Society in England.
It published this paper in February in April 2024.
It had set up a commission, a committee to find out whether
they could show causality between any of these diseases
that people got after vaccination and the vaccination itself.
And you probably know that the answer was we have regrettably
not been able to firmly or absolutely established causation
in any of these 500 conditions with one exception, right?
You know what the exception was?
No.
You don't, but it's written.
This is published.
Myocarditis.
Oh, yes, of course.
Yeah.
Yeah, but this is very important.
And they stated further research into this area will not lead
to any other conclusion, meaning that if anyone who was previously
healthy got vaccinated and then subsequently got a myocarditis,
causality is proven.
You don't have to do anything.
You can go to court.
But a lot of people don't understand the importance of what
that, you know, what it means when they're admitting myocarditis
occurs.
So the essential thing I worry about is that I don't care.
I just wanted to make the point that you know that you could
have a subclinical myocarditis attack which could shorten your
life by 10 to 20 years and no one would ever know.
But Stephen, okay, look, this I have also written in my autobiography
in the extended version.
It's all there.
Okay, anyone can read it.
It's appearing in 40 languages.
So don't say that there was no way to know.
There is a simple way to know.
Just read it.
Okay, it's a very short book, but it contains all the essential
information.
So another thing that you brilliantly pointed out in early
2021 when we were doing the letters to the European Medicines
Agency, you said you postulated, you hypothesized that the
biggest problem would occur in vessels of slow blood flow.
And then you went on to say in the brain that the worst place
in your opinion was the cerebral venous sinus and so the risk
was you could get cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.
Not the worst case, not the worst.
It would also take place there.
But in fact all small vessels and veins of the brain, all.
And that's what has been found out.
But then if you remember the third letter, so you then brilliantly
used your note, but you're so modest.
You said you've got this slow blood flow in the cerebral
venous sinus thrombosis.
You thought that was a possibility that there would be a huge
rise in the incidence of that.
And then you said anyone with headache, for example, needs to
be investigated with that in mind.
Very important point.
All right.
We're letting you go and we're going to end this meeting.
But the point about that, the point about that, viewers may
not understand.
So the point is that the, you know, theirs, for example, it
could be reported that someone's got headache, you know, or millions
of people got headache, you know, but it was a minor thing.
But actually it could be, it could be a diagnosis of a
subclinical or relatively subclinical CVST.
All right, because I'm going to leave, but let me give you one
last piece of information.
Okay.
Austrian doctors, a little team have found out that there's
one very simple method to find out whether the capillaries in
the body are, yeah,
are non-abnormal.
Compromised, compromised.
And this is the, what is it called?
Nail bed, finger bed, capillary microscopy.
Yeah.
So there's an instrument where you can just see the capillaries
of the nail bed.
And the first patients that have been looked at are extremely
promising because they found disturbances that could then be treated.
Okay.
And so, Stephen, I want to give this to you as a doctor.
So you spread the information that this, I don't know, but
nail bed capillaries, I think it's called.
Yeah.
It could be a simple method for any doctor in the world to use to
diagnose a vaccine, a vaccine mediated vascular injury.
Non-invasive.
It's cheap and it's simple.
I can't do it, but the textbooks tell you how to do it.
Okay.
So I probably can't do it either.
So Chris, I could probably find someone who could.
Someone put it in the chat.
It's so great.
It's a nail bed.
What?
Yeah.
Something like that.
Right.
You can research it.
You can research it today.
Charles, you're beginning your day in Australia.
I'm not going to research it.
Someone will put it into the chat.
I was joking.
Charles, I think it's a capillaries.
Cool.
That's the Siobhan.
Siobhan has put it in nail bed capillaries.
Copy test to diagnose vaccine mediated vascular injury.
Thank you Siobhan.
Well noted.
The roscoe.
Very good.
Thank you.
So good.
Okay.
We call the whole two and a half hours.
So good.
You've done brilliantly.
Beep, you know, go and do some meditation now and we point out.
We point out that there's a comment in the chat about the
placebo effect.
Of course, is a placebo effect where not only 99.999% empty
space were entirely empty space so that your thoughts created
is so great.
You were talking about the mind body spirit.
That's what exactly what it's about.
Take off one of the legs and they're stuffed.
So James, thank you for your contribution.
Thank you to everyone for your contribution.
Thank you for the wonderful contributions to the chat.
And we've got lots of work to do everybody.
So time to come to these meetings so that you realize we've
got another three years of hard work ahead of us.
So no getting tired and look after your health.
So great.
Thank you so much.
Big round of applause everybody.
Oh, yes, very good.
So thank you.
You all.
Thank you all.
Still drawing applause.
So great.
I know you modest but you're still drawing applause in 2024.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thanks everybody.
Thanks, Stephen.
Bye bye.
Bye everybody.
Thank you, Charles.
Well done.
Yeah, thanks.
So what do people think?
Do you think we should have multiple guests conversations
or just one guest at a time?
That's a big conversation.
We'll hold it.
But there's Tom Rodman's got the have a conversation in the
video telegram meeting.
Stephen with Tom Rodman.
That's good idea.
Sure.
Yeah.